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  • This thread is for people who want to drone on about how much they hate Gonzaga basketball.

    Cheaters! Bad Conference! International Recruits! Spokane Sucks!

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  • First 3 reason is whatevs. Last reason is totally legit... screw Eastern Washington. Might as well be Idahoians.
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  • I get tired of hearing about them, and I'm not even a big college basketball fan.
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  • Pandion Haliaetus wrote:...screw Eastern Washington. Might as well be Idahoians.


    That's just cruel...
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  • I dont have a team in the fight but I sense a lot of jealousy.
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  • I'm only here because I can't stand their unrealistic fans.
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  • Meh.. their annual March failure will be enough talk for me. :D
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  • Great school, know a lot of really nice, really smart people that went there. But their basketball program has as much to do with the state of Washington as USC does. Actually, I think two kids from Washington have played for USC in the last decade, so maybe we should all just root for the Trojans as our trendy bangwagon local sports team.
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  • Tical obviously has someone close to him from the state of Washington that he believed was good enough to play for the Zags. When the offer letter never materialized then his vendetta began.
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  • How many Seahawk players are from Washington?

    Your logic makes no sense. Every college and pro team nation wide recruits the best players they can get from wherever they can get them. Once those players are here, we root for them. Once they are done playing here, they usually leave.

    Steve Largent lives in Oklahoma. Walter Jones lives in Alabama. They are still great Seahawks.
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  • Few and Gonzaga built there team by focusing on players that could be exceptional college players but were long-shots to make it in the NBA and also focused on international players that were overlooked by recruiters of more established programs.

    It's a unique approach to build a competitive program against more traditional recruiting tactics.

    St. Mary's had a similar approach with Randy Bennett and their heavy recruiting of Australian players from the AIS.
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  • And most if not all of you Gonzaga haters root for the Huskies in football right? How many California kids on their roster?

    The Zag hate is cuz they're regularly better than the "mighty" Huskies (and pretty much the rest of the Pac-12 most every year) and located in Spokane. If it were the private Jesuit school in Seattle instead of Spokane, Seattle Universty (my alma mater btw), you Zag haters wouldn't say shit cuz you'd be huge Redhawk fans and happy as clams at high tide that they made the Sweet 16 most years. There wouldn't be any of the snide comments about then losing once they got to that level that I see with the Zags.

    West siders can't freakin' stand anything from the east side being better than what you all got. This place ought to be fun after the Cougs whup the Huskies' asses Friday. Yawn.



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  • Early lines just came out showing Zags favored by 10 over UW.
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  • Hawkstorian wrote:How many Seahawk players are from Washington?

    Your logic makes no sense. Every college and pro team nation wide recruits the best players they can get from wherever they can get them. Once those players are here, we root for them. Once they are done playing here, they usually leave.

    Steve Largent lives in Oklahoma. Walter Jones lives in Alabama. They are still great Seahawks.

    The pros is a different thing, and I have less than half of the amount of pride in the pro teams than I do in our college teams. With pros you know the deal. I actually was really upset with Sark for not recruiting our state either. Remember when getting accepted to your state college's athletic teams was a big deal? Money has ruined all of this. As a taxpayer, I would rather my tax dollars go towards the education of a kid from down the street than a 2nd tier athlete from California. When UW plays USC, it is basically just a "our kids from California can beat your kids from California" contest. How lame is that?

    And Gonzaga takes it to a whole other level. They want to high-brow with their friends from Europe and Canada and treat the kids from Washington like they're second-class citizens. Kids from Washington just aren't "Gonzaga" material. I believe Universities should try to cultivate youth from their surrounding area, not shun them.
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  • Tical21 wrote:
    Hawkstorian wrote:How many Seahawk players are from Washington?

    Your logic makes no sense. Every college and pro team nation wide recruits the best players they can get from wherever they can get them. Once those players are here, we root for them. Once they are done playing here, they usually leave.

    Steve Largent lives in Oklahoma. Walter Jones lives in Alabama. They are still great Seahawks.

    The pros is a different thing, and I have less than half of the amount of pride in the pro teams than I do in our college teams. With pros you know the deal. I actually was really upset with Sark for not recruiting our state either. Remember when getting accepted to your state college's athletic teams was a big deal? Money has ruined all of this. As a taxpayer, I would rather my tax dollars go towards the education of a kid from down the street than a 2nd tier athlete from California. When UW plays USC, it is basically just a "our kids from California can beat your kids from California" contest. How lame is that?

    And Gonzaga takes it to a whole other level. They want to high-brow with their friends from Europe and Canada and treat the kids from Washington like they're second-class citizens. Kids from Washington just aren't "Gonzaga" material. I believe Universities should try to cultivate youth from their surrounding area, not shun them.

    I think most 4 or 5* kids from Washington prefers playing in the Pac-12 that is why u rarely see them commit to Gonzaga.
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  • Isn't gonzaga a religious school?
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  • Throwdown wrote:Isn't gonzaga a religious school?


    Yes. It's a Catholic School.

    All the WCC schools are religiously affiliated.
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  • After watching the first 10 minutes of this game I understand the hatred. Uw doesn't belong on the same court as these guys. Man, gonzagas got a lot of big, skilled size.
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  • This game is pretty much going as I expected. In a couple years UW will return the favor :D
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  • Hawk-Lock wrote:This game is pretty much going as I expected. In a couple years UW will return the favor :D


    Hanging with them better in the last half of the first half.
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  • Hawk-Lock wrote:This game is pretty much going as I expected. In a couple years UW will return the favor :D

    Unlikely
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  • dopeboy206 wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:
    Hawkstorian wrote:How many Seahawk players are from Washington?

    Your logic makes no sense. Every college and pro team nation wide recruits the best players they can get from wherever they can get them. Once those players are here, we root for them. Once they are done playing here, they usually leave.

    Steve Largent lives in Oklahoma. Walter Jones lives in Alabama. They are still great Seahawks.

    The pros is a different thing, and I have less than half of the amount of pride in the pro teams than I do in our college teams. With pros you know the deal. I actually was really upset with Sark for not recruiting our state either. Remember when getting accepted to your state college's athletic teams was a big deal? Money has ruined all of this. As a taxpayer, I would rather my tax dollars go towards the education of a kid from down the street than a 2nd tier athlete from California. When UW plays USC, it is basically just a "our kids from California can beat your kids from California" contest. How lame is that?

    And Gonzaga takes it to a whole other level. They want to high-brow with their friends from Europe and Canada and treat the kids from Washington like they're second-class citizens. Kids from Washington just aren't "Gonzaga" material. I believe Universities should try to cultivate youth from their surrounding area, not shun them.

    I think most 4 or 5* kids from Washington prefers playing in the Pac-12 that is why u rarely see them commit to Gonzaga.

    Certainly true for some of them, but every year a couple of the biggest recruits in our state are very interested in staying home and going to Gonzaga. Every year.
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  • Bwahaha. You wet siders just can't stand that Gonzaga has a better basketball program than UW
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  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    Hawk-Lock wrote:This game is pretty much going as I expected. In a couple years UW will return the favor :D

    Unlikely


    Too hard to tell, but in a couple of years Gonzaga will no longer have Wiltjer, Karno and most likely Sabonis who I think will leave for the draft after this year. UW's heralded class of freshman will now all be juniors and they have the #7 ranked recuit coming in next year. If he stays past his freshman year, UW will easily be a tournament team in two years.

    I don't know the Zags recruits, but there will be a fall off after this year when Wiltjer and Karnowski leave. If Sabonis leaves too, they will have to replace their 3 best players, and their 5 best players in the past two years (counting Pangos and Bell).

    There is no doubt the Zags are the better program right now, and have been the past 5 years. But UW is on the upswing. Zags are peaking right now, but it will be downhill after this year even if they do have some nice recruits coming in.

    Either way, this renewed 4 year series between UW and Gonzaga will be fun to watch.

    PS I hope A&M or Texas beats the snot out of the Zags tomorrow on Thanksgiving :D
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  • Hawk-Lock wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    Hawk-Lock wrote:This game is pretty much going as I expected. In a couple years UW will return the favor :D

    Unlikely


    Too hard to tell, but in a couple of years Gonzaga will no longer have Wiltjer, Karno and most likely Sabonis who I think will leave for the draft after this year. UW's heralded class of freshman will now all be juniors and they have the #7 ranked recuit coming in next year. If he stays past his freshman year, UW will easily be a tournament team in two years.

    I don't know the Zags recruits, but there will be a fall off after this year when Wiltjer and Karnowski leave. If Sabonis leaves too, they will have to replace their 3 best players, and their 5 best players in the past two years (counting Pangos and Bell).

    There is no doubt the Zags are the better program right now, and have been the past 5 years. But UW is on the upswing. Zags are peaking right now, but it will be downhill after this year even if they do have some nice recruits coming in.

    Either way, this renewed 4 year series between UW and Gonzaga will be fun to watch.

    PS I hope A&M or Texas beats the snot out of the Zags tomorrow on Thanksgiving :D


    5 years? Compared to UW? Gonzaga has been the better team for a lot longer that that.
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  • Basis4day wrote:
    Hawk-Lock wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    Hawk-Lock wrote:This game is pretty much going as I expected. In a couple years UW will return the favor :D

    Unlikely


    Too hard to tell, but in a couple of years Gonzaga will no longer have Wiltjer, Karno and most likely Sabonis who I think will leave for the draft after this year. UW's heralded class of freshman will now all be juniors and they have the #7 ranked recuit coming in next year. If he stays past his freshman year, UW will easily be a tournament team in two years.

    I don't know the Zags recruits, but there will be a fall off after this year when Wiltjer and Karnowski leave. If Sabonis leaves too, they will have to replace their 3 best players, and their 5 best players in the past two years (counting Pangos and Bell).

    There is no doubt the Zags are the better program right now, and have been the past 5 years. But UW is on the upswing. Zags are peaking right now, but it will be downhill after this year even if they do have some nice recruits coming in.

    Either way, this renewed 4 year series between UW and Gonzaga will be fun to watch.

    PS I hope A&M or Texas beats the snot out of the Zags tomorrow on Thanksgiving :D


    5 years? Compared to UW? Gonzaga has been the better team for a lot longer that that.

    Make it 17 years
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  • Hawk-Lock wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    Hawk-Lock wrote:This game is pretty much going as I expected. In a couple years UW will return the favor :D

    Unlikely


    Too hard to tell, but in a couple of years Gonzaga will no longer have Wiltjer, Karno and most likely Sabonis who I think will leave for the draft after this year. UW's heralded class of freshman will now all be juniors and they have the #7 ranked recuit coming in next year. If he stays past his freshman year, UW will easily be a tournament team in two years.

    I don't know the Zags recruits, but there will be a fall off after this year when Wiltjer and Karnowski leave. If Sabonis leaves too, they will have to replace their 3 best players, and their 5 best players in the past two years (counting Pangos and Bell).

    There is no doubt the Zags are the better program right now, and have been the past 5 years. But UW is on the upswing. Zags are peaking right now, but it will be downhill after this year even if they do have some nice recruits coming in.

    Either way, this renewed 4 year series between UW and Gonzaga will be fun to watch.

    PS I hope A&M or Texas beats the snot out of the Zags tomorrow on Thanksgiving :D


    So, the dawgs recruiting class will make the a great team, but even if Gonzaga gets recruits that equal the talent of the players leaving they will still decline? Roger that. Sound logic there.
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  • And just to add, Gonzaga has been so dominant over uw for so long that uw literally quit playing them. They took their ball and went home.
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  • HELL YEA GO ZAGS BABY

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  • Basis4day wrote:
    Hawk-Lock wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    Hawk-Lock wrote:This game is pretty much going as I expected. In a couple years UW will return the favor :D

    Unlikely


    Too hard to tell, but in a couple of years Gonzaga will no longer have Wiltjer, Karno and most likely Sabonis who I think will leave for the draft after this year. UW's heralded class of freshman will now all be juniors and they have the #7 ranked recuit coming in next year. If he stays past his freshman year, UW will easily be a tournament team in two years.

    I don't know the Zags recruits, but there will be a fall off after this year when Wiltjer and Karnowski leave. If Sabonis leaves too, they will have to replace their 3 best players, and their 5 best players in the past two years (counting Pangos and Bell).

    There is no doubt the Zags are the better program right now, and have been the past 5 years. But UW is on the upswing. Zags are peaking right now, but it will be downhill after this year even if they do have some nice recruits coming in.

    Either way, this renewed 4 year series between UW and Gonzaga will be fun to watch.

    PS I hope A&M or Texas beats the snot out of the Zags tomorrow on Thanksgiving :D


    5 years? Compared to UW? Gonzaga has been the better team for a lot longer that that.


    From 2004-2010, there is not much difference between the two programs. Both have been in the to 25 plenty of years, both have made runs to the sweet 16. But beyond 2004, Zags all the way. UW never became basketball relevant until Romar. So I don't think it is that far fetched to say Zags and UW are on an equal playing level beyond 5 years.
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  • CurryStopstheRuns wrote:
    Hawk-Lock wrote:
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    Hawk-Lock wrote:This game is pretty much going as I expected. In a couple years UW will return the favor :D

    Unlikely


    Too hard to tell, but in a couple of years Gonzaga will no longer have Wiltjer, Karno and most likely Sabonis who I think will leave for the draft after this year. UW's heralded class of freshman will now all be juniors and they have the #7 ranked recuit coming in next year. If he stays past his freshman year, UW will easily be a tournament team in two years.

    I don't know the Zags recruits, but there will be a fall off after this year when Wiltjer and Karnowski leave. If Sabonis leaves too, they will have to replace their 3 best players, and their 5 best players in the past two years (counting Pangos and Bell).

    There is no doubt the Zags are the better program right now, and have been the past 5 years. But UW is on the upswing. Zags are peaking right now, but it will be downhill after this year even if they do have some nice recruits coming in.

    Either way, this renewed 4 year series between UW and Gonzaga will be fun to watch.

    PS I hope A&M or Texas beats the snot out of the Zags tomorrow on Thanksgiving :D


    So, the dawgs recruiting class will make the a great team, but even if Gonzaga gets recruits that equal the talent of the players leaving they will still decline? Roger that. Sound logic there.


    Well seeing that UW had the #6 recruiting class this year, and is currently ranked as the #13th recruiting class for next year, while the Zags aren't in the top 25 for this year or next year, yes we are on the upswing and it is hard to argue the same for Gonzaga. Next year UW has the #7th ranked recruit, the Zags best recruit for next year is ranked #71. Those are facts. So yeah, it was sound logic in my previous post.

    Now this is speculation on my part. Assuming the #6 recruiting class improves with age, along with next years heralded class, I would assume UW will be pretty good in a couple years. The Zags don't have much coming in this year or the next, add in Karnowski, Wiltjer and possibly Sabonis leaving, and the Zags will have a drop off. Of course they could get better, but anyone who knows college basketball will tell you that Gonzaga will be weaker next year. 95% of teams in any sport will fall off if they lose their top 2 or 3 players.

    So yes, it's sound logic.
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  • Currently ranked 13th by who? I just pulled a ranking that had next years Zags class at 12 and uw at 39. Rankings are subjective, not sound and vary from site to site. Your logic is flawed.
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  • CurryStopstheRuns wrote:Currently ranked 13th by who? I just pulled a ranking that had next years Zags class at 12 and uw at 39. Rankings are subjective, not sound and vary from site to site. Your logic is flawed.


    Fair enough, they're subjective. I was using Scout.com.

    I guess we just agree to disagree. Without a question, UW is on the upswing. This year is Romar's best class ever. Romar's highest recruit is coming in next year as well.

    Zags will always be a good steady program, but it's hard to ignore the losses next year. May I also say, it's easy to be steady when you play in that joke of a conference.
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  • Diezel Dawg wrote:Bwahaha. You wet siders just can't stand that Gonzaga has a better basketball program than UW


    Anyone who didn't think so is an idiot. Good game, zags.

    Our UW is young, hopefully sticking together for a few more years.
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  • So once UW thinks they're good enough to hang with the Zags will they then agree to resume the series?
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  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:So once UW thinks they're good enough to hang with the Zags will they then agree to resume the series?


    They said during the game today that they've agreed to play for the next 4 years.
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  • JSeahawks wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:So once UW thinks they're good enough to hang with the Zags will they then agree to resume the series?


    They said during the game today that they've agreed to play for the next 4 years.

    Cool. Go Zags!
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  • Zags lose to A&M, good start to my thanksgiving.
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  • Hawk-Lock wrote:Zags lose to A&M, good start to my thanksgiving.

    That's a good team but Zags played very meh as well.
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  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    Hawk-Lock wrote:Zags lose to A&M, good start to my thanksgiving.

    That's a good team but Zags played very meh as well.

    Definitely didn't play Zags basketball.
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  • Zags about to lose at home to probably one of the weakest Arizona teams in a long time. Zags just aren't that good. Outside of the big 3 they have next to nothing.

    It's okay though, it will be the same old story. They will run the table in that embarrassing conference, win their tournament, and then lose in the first weekend of the NCAA Tournament.
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  • Hawk-Lock wrote:Zags about to lose at home to probably one of the weakest Arizona teams in a long time. Zags just aren't that good. Outside of the big 3 they have next to nothing.

    It's okay though, it will be the same old story. They will run the table in that embarrassing conference, win their tournament, and then lose in the first weekend of the NCAA Tournament.

    With the G play they have, you're probably right. Very disappointing loss yesterday what with being at home and all.

    BTW, Elite Eight last year , not the "same old story".
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  • Yeah, guards have been huge disappointment so far. With out Karnowski playing with a 7 man rotation.

    Lots of potential to be improved in time for March, but not there yet.
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  • It's too bad Nigel Williams Goss wasn't eligible this year, because he would have made a huge difference. Without productive guard play, I think the Zags are very limited.

    So far this season has been subpar to say the least. The Zags season really depends on their early success in the non-conference schedule. They really needed some of these big wins to secure a high seed in the NCAA tournament. It's not like they're going to build a resume playing their conference schedule. UCLA and SMU are their last chances at quality wins until the brackets are released. And I don't think a win vs UCLA will look all that great on their resume. IMO UCLA isn't a top 25 team even though they did beat Kentucky last week. I think if Zags run the table the rest of the season (which will still be hard to do), at best they can get is a 4 seed. And that might be a bit generous.

    That loss to Zona was big. The Zags only get a few chances, and they blew that one.
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