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Re: Husky Basketball
Thu Mar 10, 2016 4:51 pm
  • JSeahawks wrote:So you guys think Murray and Chriss will be back next season?

    This mock has Murray going in the lottery.

    http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft

    Chriss would be a 1st round pick as well. Losing Murray, Chris's and Andrews would be quite a big loss and it wouldn't matter how good faultz is.

    Chriss is actually the better NBA prospect at this point. Chad Ford had moved him up into the lottery last week. Murray isn't going to go in the lottery unless he vastly improves his shooting.

    I'm guessing Murray comes back, Chriss leaves. Or they both go. Or, I dunno. If they both go, and Fultz decommits, Romar is gone. IF, IF, IF they both come back, watch out.

    It is hard to be a good defensive team with a bunch of freshman who have never had to play defense before.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:20 pm
  • Hard to say what Chriss and Murray will do. One thing they have going in their favor is that this upcoming draft is considered pretty weak. There are a couple can't miss prospects in Simmons and Ingram, but after that there isn't a whole lot. Typically mock drafts are filled with stud freshman, but this is the year of the upper-classmen. As good as Buddy Hield and Valentine are, NBA teams aren't going to be jumping at the chance to draft them. The one thing the NBA does love is potential. Both Murray and Chriss have a lot of that, but both are very raw. I agree with Tical that Chriss has the higher upside, but is probably the riskier pick too. Personally, I wouldn't touch either kid unless I'm a team that doesn't expect to win for a few years. Neither will be ready to contribute for at least 2-3 years.

    If I had to guess, I'd say both are 50/50 for the draft. If we can get one of the two back next year I'll be okay with that. If both come back then we should be a top 15 team. We'd basically have three first round picks, how many college teams can say that?
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Re: Husky Basketball
Sun Mar 13, 2016 7:53 pm
  • Huskies to play long beach state on Thursday in first round of NIT tournament.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:23 pm
  • JSeahawks wrote:Huskies to play long beach state on Thursday in first round of NIT tournament.


    Uw wins 107-102. Not much defense there. Fun game to watch though.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:12 pm
  • JSeahawks wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:Huskies to play long beach state on Thursday in first round of NIT tournament.


    Uw wins 107-102. Not much defense there. Fun game to watch though.

    Frustrating to watch IMHO, even though my team won. Like you said "not much defense". Story of the UW's year, let opponents stay in the game and they can and a lot of times will come back to beat you. Got lucky they snuck out with a W tonight @ home in the NIT. :34853_doh:
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Re: Husky Basketball
Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:30 am
  • My god.

    That was horrible basketball, if you want to call it that.

    It really is pointless though, Romar had a team with Brandon Roy, Nate Robinson and Bobby Jones. They didn't make the Elite 8. Several other guys on that team ended up drafted to the NBA as well. He couldn't win with that kind of talent.

    Then we had a team with Terrence Ross, Wroten and Isaiah Thomas. Again, all guys that were good enough to go to the NBA - but apparently not a good enough team to even make the March group. Ended up in the NIT. Not even sure if they won it.

    The point being, it doesn't matter how good the players he gets - he won't be doing anything impressive with them. Fun to watch the dunks but don't expect anything. UW basketball generally has 1-2 guys that you know will make the NBA, and you get a chance to see them up close. That's it, I never expect them to win anything.

    This last game though, guys were playing "defense" not looking at the basketball (?), not to mention the stupidity of repeatedly trying to block 3 point shots (4x?!?). The basketball IQ on the team is near 0. They get dunks, alley oops, and blocks (the dunk equivalent for defense) but they also dribble behind their backs for no reason (losing the ball) and try to dribble through crowds (losing the ball). And they are guaranteed to make bone-headed plays at the end of games, along with the dreaded "inbounds" play that Romar has never seemed to figure out how to not screw up.

    I have learned to enjoy them playing a few fun to watch games in the regular season, and doing some amazing stuff on the court - but NEVER to really expect Romar to ever stand any sort of reasonable shot at doing anything in March.

    Admit it, you thought they were going to find a way to screw that one up at the end didn't you?
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Re: Husky Basketball
Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:01 pm
  • I pretty much agree with everything TwistedHusky said. As entertaining as it was for most casual fans, that was tough to watch as a fan of the Huskies and as a fan of basketball. It was inexcusable to let a team like Long Beach St put up 102 on your own court.

    While I think the team has gotten better defensively, last night was a major step back. I attribute some of it to the players playing lazy and not taking the game seriously (a lot of NIT games can do that to teams), but a lot of it falls on the coaches shoulders.

    This year has been full of ups and downs due to the youth of this team, but there is no excuse next year for bonehead plays and poor defense.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:25 pm
  • Scratching my head at why anyone who wants to win, would EVER want to play for Romar.

    He isn't a good basketball coach.

    For an All Star team? Absolutely. He would have guys throwing up alley oops, dribbling between the legs and dunking with abandon. He knows how to get guys to have fun on the court.

    But he also makes them look like they are 20-30 IQ points lower than they are. Because nobody is that stupid, but they sure play brainless basketball as a team.

    If I see one more game where the offensive player sets a high pick and the defender stupidly decides to shadow the man all the way out to the 3 point line? I get on the girls for doing that crap in their games and they are 12, I certainly shouldn't be seeing it from a college basketball team.

    Your job on defense is not to shadow your man, it is to stop the ball and to prevent scoring. This isn't a potato sack race, the objective is not to get as close to your guy at all times as you can. You don't stick near your guy and then chase after him. You are supposed to be between the basket and the offensive player, making them take contested shots.

    And then, I see Washington players dribbling between their legs, running through traffic with the ball for no reason, and otherwise taking chances that make no sense - instead of using their athleticism + speed to get the advantage, they go for highlight plays that fizzle out like wet fireworks half the time.

    Any wonder why teams with this kind of talent end up in the NIT, just watch the games. It looks like drunken streetball compared to how the other team plays. No self respecting basketball player who wants to win and get better could possibly think playing for Romar is going to help them get better.

    Fun to watch if you don't mind bad/no defense, but you cannot depend on it at all.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:52 pm
  • Why is Dime guarding players out at the 3 point arc? He's the tallest husky and should be playing the post. He's out guarding players like he's a freaking PG. Ridiculous! Being doing it all season. If he's your big man, then he should be used like one.

    This is the worst defensive team I've seen. I've seen a lot of bad Husky teams. The defense is the Achilles heel for this team.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Mon Mar 21, 2016 10:16 pm
  • It isn't their fault.

    They know how to play individual defense of a sort, but not team defense.

    Just like the offense is pretty much, pass it to one guy see what he can do, or pass it to someone else to see what they can. Very little team offense, just AND1 type crap.

    Since they are college kids, reliant on their coach to show them how to play together? The fault is on the coaching or lack thereof.

    It works best if you have low expectations and just admire the cool alley oops, dunks and blocked shots.

    Husky basketball is a pleasant or unpleasant diversion when it isn't football season. But it will never matter because Romar is never going to be a winner. I don't know if he is stupid, lazy or just incompetent - and given the # of All Stars he has had on his team and done really very little with? It probably doesn't matter.

    But what floors me is how, you have kids that have to have played organized basketball for several years - because that is how the pipeline is built. But they come in with literally no idea how to play the game tactically or strategically beyond how to individually get to the basket or jack up shots.

    How can you possibly play for that many years and make mistakes that the kids in their league get yelled at by their 7th grade coaches for? This isn't rocket science, as you can see by watching teams that are not even in the NCAA tourney beat us down - but for some reason these kids come in looking like they were plucked from a YMCA dunkoff instead of a team sport.

    How can you get to college basketball with so little court awareness or understanding of how to play defense, box out, keep from stupid fouls, etc.? Even with NO coach some of this stuff is pretty basic Basketball 101 Don't Do This kind of stuff. I am baffled.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:07 am
  • i basically said the same exact thing on the previous page but with even more anger. But yeah, romar has gotta go. He doesn't care about defense at all. The only thing floating around in his head is SCORE SCORE SCORE FAST.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:41 pm
  • At first, I was confused by the fact that there was no thread really on the game.

    Given, Seahawk board but still NW sports fans. I see Husky threads in the reg season and I see coverage of Duck and other games. Then I realized, it isn't that people don't care. They just don't expect anything. So why bother?

    This is why the handwringing over whether Cris stays or Dejounte stays is funny. Because it doesn't matter. If they stay, we get a few more exciting games - but we have seen over time that teams with 3-4 NBA players on them (which is rare even in good college programs) likely won't even make the tournament. If they do, the best of his best teams - teams where at least 2 guys have made NBA All star teams, don't get out of the Sweet 16.

    So if everyone stays why would anyone expect anything to be different?

    If the best players stay, we will just be a more dangerous team in the NIT that ultimately still won't even win THAT. Because Romar doesn't win, he just creates flashy teams that look like they will win more in the future. But they never do because they are fundamentally flawed, their coach doesn't prepare them correctly.

    So, while I feel bad for the kid that is coming here as a 5 star recruit - and I know I will enjoy watching him play, it won't matter. Even adding him to the pot with the other very talented players if they all stay is not going to change the reality that you cannot expect Romar teams to win anything substantial. His teams are for entertainment, not accomplishment.

    The question will be, is it better to get better quality athletes and do little with them? Or get a coach that gets far less quality players (since Romar clearly excels at getting guys that most coaches cannot) that accomplishes more with them and the team?

    For now, it is clear the program does not mind losing if there is some cool dunking in the games. I don't see that changing in the future anyway.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:18 pm
  • After all the crap that Husky fans on these boards gave Gonzaga it's REALLY difficult for me not to chime in on this thread with a hearty "Go Zags!" so I won't fight the urge any longer.
    8)
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Re: Husky Basketball
Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:24 pm
  • Husky ladies (4 pac12 teams total) in the sweet 16.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Wed Mar 23, 2016 10:23 am
  • TwistedHusky wrote:At first, I was confused by the fact that there was no thread really on the game.

    Given, Seahawk board but still NW sports fans. I see Husky threads in the reg season and I see coverage of Duck and other games. Then I realized, it isn't that people don't care. They just don't expect anything. So why bother?

    This is why the handwringing over whether Cris stays or Dejounte stays is funny. Because it doesn't matter. If they stay, we get a few more exciting games - but we have seen over time that teams with 3-4 NBA players on them (which is rare even in good college programs) likely won't even make the tournament. If they do, the best of his best teams - teams where at least 2 guys have made NBA All star teams, don't get out of the Sweet 16.

    So if everyone stays why would anyone expect anything to be different?

    If the best players stay, we will just be a more dangerous team in the NIT that ultimately still won't even win THAT. Because Romar doesn't win, he just creates flashy teams that look like they will win more in the future. But they never do because they are fundamentally flawed, their coach doesn't prepare them correctly.

    So, while I feel bad for the kid that is coming here as a 5 star recruit - and I know I will enjoy watching him play, it won't matter. Even adding him to the pot with the other very talented players if they all stay is not going to change the reality that you cannot expect Romar teams to win anything substantial. His teams are for entertainment, not accomplishment.

    The question will be, is it better to get better quality athletes and do little with them? Or get a coach that gets far less quality players (since Romar clearly excels at getting guys that most coaches cannot) that accomplishes more with them and the team?

    For now, it is clear the program does not mind losing if there is some cool dunking in the games. I don't see that changing in the future anyway.


    I disagree with almost everything you said in your first few paragraphs. There are a lot of programs that have never won a national championship or even gotten to a final 4 with a lot of talent. I mean, why do the Mariners even bother? They have Felix Hernandez and Robinson Cano and have never even made the World Series? Why even try? Up until a few years ago, the Seahawks never even came close to sniffing the SuperBowl, so why even try? Of course it matters if two future NBA players come back next year. Realistically I doubt we make the final 4 with them, but adding them could be the difference between us winning a Pac12 title and reaching the Sweet 16 or Elite 8.

    I agree that Romar isn't the greatest coach, but if it weren't for him, we wouldn't even have these NBA players in the first place. To be honest, we wouldn't even be talking about Husky basketball if it weren't for Romar. People forget that Washington Basketball was one of the worst hoops programs in the country before he came here.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Wed Mar 23, 2016 12:27 pm
  • A few things....

    The intent of the 'rant' (if you want to call it that), is not to say 'why bother?" but instead to say, that the question will not matter because we pretty much know the result. The Husky program travels comfortably in the 'mediocre' space.

    (It is really interesting you compared them to the Mariners, because that is the perfect comparison.

    A team that historically never did anything, so uses that as justification for never doing anything now. The Mariners have had to change this tactic lately because so many former fans just gave up on expecting anything from them, and there is a very short jump from no expections to not caring at all.

    I quit watching the Mariners a decade ago, as a for example - and I was a huge Mariners fan as a kid).

    In years that not much is expected, the Huskies do a little bit better than expected because one or two extremely talented players tends to outplay expectations, or produces better in a shorter time frame. In years they seemingly have all the pieces? They tend to underwhelm, because while there will be guys that are tremendous offensive weapons - they tend to have holes in their game and tend to not get better.

    So if Dejounte and Chriss don't come back? We probably still make the NIT. If they do? We probably still make the NIT. Even then, I don't think we win it. If we make the NCAA? Maybe we luck into the 16, but Romar already had a team of 3-4 NBA players on it....at least 3x! And he failed to do much at all with them, his biggest accomplishment being a win over a pretty good Illinois team that had almost no serviceable NBA players on it at all.

    It is also interesting that our neighbor to the South (Oregon) fired their coach, who had accomplished more than Romar - and replaced him with a guy that is clearly tiers better than Romar since then. Was Oregon some basketball powerhouse? No. You get to be a basketball powerhouse BECAUSE you have a good coach, not before.

    So therefore, if you want the program to no longer be a weak basketball program that doesn't matter and historically never had success? Then you have to get a good coach. That, by the way, is how the Seahawks fixed their never historically being a winner.

    You don't get better by keeping your maddeningly mediocre coach and crossing your fingers. Every team has guys leave early, or get injured, or otherwise get removed at some point. Some of them still win. We continually reload, misfire, make excuses and then expect things to change once we reload again. It won't. Terrance Ross, Wroten, Roy, Thomas, and all the rest can give you a good indication of what to expect when great players come through here.

    BTW As for not trying, the Mariners never try - they only want to look like they are. Maybe that changed in the past decade, but I know people who were told by the FO that the organization would prefer to avoid the playoffs but for the minimum it needs to get top 10 attendance. Since the Mariners have some of the people still there making decisions from that point 10 years ago? I doubt that has changed much.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:03 pm
  • FWIW, now that they have advanced, the vaunted Gonzaga Bulldogs have now been to one more Sweet 16 during the Romar era than the Huskies have. Want to talk overrated?

    If those two players come back, there is zero chance we aren't in the top-25 throughout the season.

    Besides the switching, which is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in basketball at any level, and very could well be a move that gets a college coach fired, he also didn't have any players this year, not one, that came in with a high defensive IQ. Even Dime is a trainwreck with this defensive fundamentals. The popular consensus with the guys that knew these kids was that they were going to be high flying and score a bunch of points, but they were going to mightily struggle defensively. Thybulle is the only one I think that has any kind of defensive mentality, and he's still just a freshman that hasn't gotten completely over the "timid freshman" mentality. He's going to be that Bobby Jones, Justin Holiday type. Probably not to that same level, as they were two of the better defenders I have ever seen on a college team, but you'll be able to put him on a good player and he'll compete. He's the only one I see though. The big New Zealand kid might help a lot too.

    Romar is here for another year, unless the two players leave and Fultz decommits. Regardless, next year he needs to make the tournament or he's gone. Scary though. It isn't like we're going to get a big name coach to come here. Getting rid of Romar will be an absolute disaster if we don't identify the right guy. At least we're mediocre and have a shot to make the tournament most years. That is far better than it has been here in a long, long time.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:54 pm
  • JSeahawks wrote:Husky ladies (4 pac12 teams total) in the sweet 16.


    Yep, and got there by beating a 30-3 Maryland team @ Maryland that has been a juggernaut for the past few years. I caught the second half of the game and it was really cool and exciting watching them pull off what was a pretty huge upset. Kelsey Plum is a very, very good player and will have a successful professional career if she chooses to go that route.

    http://espn.go.com/womens-college-baske ... -terrapins

    Thought about starting a thread about this after the game, but figured no one would care.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:56 pm
  • Tical21 wrote:FWIW, now that they have advanced, the vaunted Gonzaga Bulldogs have now been to one more Sweet 16 during the Romar era than the Huskies have. Want to talk overrated?

    If those two players come back, there is zero chance we aren't in the top-25 throughout the season.

    Besides the switching, which is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in basketball at any level, and very could well be a move that gets a college coach fired, he also didn't have any players this year, not one, that came in with a high defensive IQ. Even Dime is a trainwreck with this defensive fundamentals. The popular consensus with the guys that knew these kids was that they were going to be high flying and score a bunch of points, but they were going to mightily struggle defensively. Thybulle is the only one I think that has any kind of defensive mentality, and he's still just a freshman that hasn't gotten completely over the "timid freshman" mentality. He's going to be that Bobby Jones, Justin Holiday type. Probably not to that same level, as they were two of the better defenders I have ever seen on a college team, but you'll be able to put him on a good player and he'll compete. He's the only one I see though. The big New Zealand kid might help a lot too.

    Romar is here for another year, unless the two players leave and Fultz decommits. Regardless, next year he needs to make the tournament or he's gone. Scary though. It isn't like we're going to get a big name coach to come here. Getting rid of Romar will be an absolute disaster if we don't identify the right guy. At least we're mediocre and have a shot to make the tournament most years. That is far better than it has been here in a long, long time.


    This guy gets it. You can't fire your coach after he lands the highest rated recruit in his tenure. Not to mention we just landed the best recruiting class we've pretty much ever had. Fire Romar tomorrow and a ton of kids transfer away, Fultz decommits and our program falls on its face. Next year will be big for Romar. If he doesn't produce then he is likely gone.

    I understand the Romar haters. The problem is, the time to fire him was probably 2-3 years ago. He has gotten the program back on track IMO. Michael Porter who is considered a top 3 player in two years has a really close relationship with Romar, Romar is doing all he can to bring him in. If he gets Porter to sign, then he may save himself another year even if we flop next year. Bringing in Porter would basically be like bringing in Ben Simmons (even though Simmons somewhat flopped this year).
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Re: Husky Basketball
Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:56 pm
  • The second wave of recruiting just got more interesting with Murray and Chriss declaring for the draft. Argh, not too surprising but still disappointing. Just don't think either player is ready for the league.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:02 pm
  • Very disappointing news. We had a chance to be very, very good next year. *sigh* Oh well...
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Re: Husky Basketball
Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:27 pm
  • It depends on what the purpose of the program is.

    Is the goal of the program to primarily entertain, act as a branding resource to draw in 'normal' college students, and produce athletic achievements?

    Or

    Is the purpose to prepare athletes for life after college and to enrich the college experience for the athletes?

    If the purpose is #1, yes you have to remove Romar. He doesn't produce, hasn't in almost a decade, and while able to get some of the star athletes, cannot keep them and so ends up producing at lower levels than if he had gotten lower quality talent in the first place.

    I disagree that Washington cannot be successful. There is a massive resource of homegrown talent that he has been recruiting from, and a series of development programs that fill the pipeline for programs in the NW and across the country. We have the talent, but we don't have the coaching to take things to the next level. And after 15+ years? He clearly is what he is - an underachieving coach that does less with more but is tremendously likable.

    Now, does he turn a blind eye to some of the things going on among the athletes that ultimately hurts the program once unearthed? Absolutely. I would also submit that the utter lack of discipline he requires of his athletes is part of the reason he has so many problems with defense, with players improving and with players coming in that have legal concerns. He lets them do what they want, but in so doing - they don't learn the skills you ostensibly are supposed to be teaching.

    Not sure about being a Romar hater. I don't hate the guy. I just don't consider his results anything but mediocre. I don't buy that UW cannot be a good program though. Oregon wasn't historically a good program - and they got a good coach, now they are clearly better than us.

    No star player is going to help this program get over the top because Romar cannot adequately mold the rest of the team to complement/complete the star. So having a star player makes you feel good when you follow him in the NBA, but Romar cannot and has not translated good recruiting into great results ever.

    (And no, even with those players - we would never have been very very good. Because we still would have made the stupid mistakes that characterize a Romar team)
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Re: Husky Basketball
Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:24 pm
  • As a Duck fan, just like Kiffin and Sark before, I hope that Romar is retained. Push the rebuilding process back one more year. I hope Romar gets a lifetime contract at UW.

    If I were UW right now is the perfect time to let him go. Yea, it would probably mean losing Fultz, but honestly, who cares? He's only going to be there for one year anyway, and without Andrews, Murray and Chriss he's not taking the team anywhere. Replace Romar now, find the right coach and get the program going in the right direction as quickly as possible.

    It sucks, because unlike Kiffin and Sark, from everything I've heard about Romar he seems like a really good dude. Other then his coaching abilities i've never heard a negative word about the guy. Even Duck fans acknowledge he's a good guy. But he's not getting the job done. With a new athletic director coming in he or she is going to want to bring in their own guy anyway.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:33 pm
  • Oh burrito me sideways
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Re: Husky Basketball
Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:57 pm
  • PS Does it even matter if Chriss and Dejounte declared?

    My understanding is that the entire Kentucky team declared. As long as they don't get an agent and the NBA does not give them a high grade - they likely are back.

    Declaring does not mean they are gone, correct?
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Re: Husky Basketball
Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:58 pm
  • Hawk-Lock wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:FWIW, now that they have advanced, the vaunted Gonzaga Bulldogs have now been to one more Sweet 16 during the Romar era than the Huskies have. Want to talk overrated?

    If those two players come back, there is zero chance we aren't in the top-25 throughout the season.

    Besides the switching, which is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in basketball at any level, and very could well be a move that gets a college coach fired, he also didn't have any players this year, not one, that came in with a high defensive IQ. Even Dime is a trainwreck with this defensive fundamentals. The popular consensus with the guys that knew these kids was that they were going to be high flying and score a bunch of points, but they were going to mightily struggle defensively. Thybulle is the only one I think that has any kind of defensive mentality, and he's still just a freshman that hasn't gotten completely over the "timid freshman" mentality. He's going to be that Bobby Jones, Justin Holiday type. Probably not to that same level, as they were two of the better defenders I have ever seen on a college team, but you'll be able to put him on a good player and he'll compete. He's the only one I see though. The big New Zealand kid might help a lot too.

    Romar is here for another year, unless the two players leave and Fultz decommits. Regardless, next year he needs to make the tournament or he's gone. Scary though. It isn't like we're going to get a big name coach to come here. Getting rid of Romar will be an absolute disaster if we don't identify the right guy. At least we're mediocre and have a shot to make the tournament most years. That is far better than it has been here in a long, long time.


    This guy gets it. You can't fire your coach after he lands the highest rated recruit in his tenure. Not to mention we just landed the best recruiting class we've pretty much ever had. Fire Romar tomorrow and a ton of kids transfer away, Fultz decommits and our program falls on its face. Next year will be big for Romar. If he doesn't produce then he is likely gone.

    I understand the Romar haters. The problem is, the time to fire him was probably 2-3 years ago. He has gotten the program back on track IMO. Michael Porter who is considered a top 3 player in two years has a really close relationship with Romar, Romar is doing all he can to bring him in. If he gets Porter to sign, then he may save himself another year even if we flop next year. Bringing in Porter would basically be like bringing in Ben Simmons (even though Simmons somewhat flopped this year).


    See, I actually think this is the wrong approach to basketball recruiting unless you're a Kentucky, Duke or North Carolina who can just reload with 3 or 4 five stars every single year. In my opinion, if youre a program like Washington or Oregon or Gonzaga those one and done players are program killers, not program builders. I think UW should be looking for Andrew Andrews type players, not Ben Simmons type players. Find those 4 star kids that are good enough players to contribute big time in college and stick around for a few years, not those kids who are going to be here for a year and be gone before you even got to know them.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:01 pm
  • TwistedHusky wrote:PS Does it even matter if Chriss and Dejounte declared?

    My understanding is that the entire Kentucky team declared. As long as they don't get an agent and the NBA does not give them a high grade - they likely are back.

    Declaring does not mean they are gone, correct?


    You are correct, but in this case they're both hiring agents. Which means they cannot return under any circumstance.

    Washington freshmen Marquese Chriss and Dejounte Murray both declared for the NBA draft Wednesday and will hire agents, ending their college careers after one season and issuing a blow to the Huskies hopes of getting back to the NCAA Tournament next year.


    http://wtop.com/nba/2016/03/washingtons ... nba-draft/
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Re: Husky Basketball
Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:33 pm
  • JSeahawks wrote:
    Hawk-Lock wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:FWIW, now that they have advanced, the vaunted Gonzaga Bulldogs have now been to one more Sweet 16 during the Romar era than the Huskies have. Want to talk overrated?

    If those two players come back, there is zero chance we aren't in the top-25 throughout the season.

    Besides the switching, which is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in basketball at any level, and very could well be a move that gets a college coach fired, he also didn't have any players this year, not one, that came in with a high defensive IQ. Even Dime is a trainwreck with this defensive fundamentals. The popular consensus with the guys that knew these kids was that they were going to be high flying and score a bunch of points, but they were going to mightily struggle defensively. Thybulle is the only one I think that has any kind of defensive mentality, and he's still just a freshman that hasn't gotten completely over the "timid freshman" mentality. He's going to be that Bobby Jones, Justin Holiday type. Probably not to that same level, as they were two of the better defenders I have ever seen on a college team, but you'll be able to put him on a good player and he'll compete. He's the only one I see though. The big New Zealand kid might help a lot too.

    Romar is here for another year, unless the two players leave and Fultz decommits. Regardless, next year he needs to make the tournament or he's gone. Scary though. It isn't like we're going to get a big name coach to come here. Getting rid of Romar will be an absolute disaster if we don't identify the right guy. At least we're mediocre and have a shot to make the tournament most years. That is far better than it has been here in a long, long time.


    This guy gets it. You can't fire your coach after he lands the highest rated recruit in his tenure. Not to mention we just landed the best recruiting class we've pretty much ever had. Fire Romar tomorrow and a ton of kids transfer away, Fultz decommits and our program falls on its face. Next year will be big for Romar. If he doesn't produce then he is likely gone.

    I understand the Romar haters. The problem is, the time to fire him was probably 2-3 years ago. He has gotten the program back on track IMO. Michael Porter who is considered a top 3 player in two years has a really close relationship with Romar, Romar is doing all he can to bring him in. If he gets Porter to sign, then he may save himself another year even if we flop next year. Bringing in Porter would basically be like bringing in Ben Simmons (even though Simmons somewhat flopped this year).


    See, I actually think this is the wrong approach to basketball recruiting unless you're a Kentucky, Duke or North Carolina who can just reload with 3 or 4 five stars every single year. In my opinion, if youre a program like Washington or Oregon or Gonzaga those one and done players are program killers, not program builders. I think UW should be looking for Andrew Andrews type players, not Ben Simmons type players. Find those 4 star kids that are good enough players to contribute big time in college and stick around for a few years, not those kids who are going to be here for a year and be gone before you even got to know them.



    Program killer? If UO had held onto Jamal Murray, this is a final 4 team for sure, and likely 33-3 right now. The key for a school like UO, is the have a good mix of both.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Wed Mar 23, 2016 10:33 pm
  • CPHawk wrote:
    JSeahawks wrote:
    Hawk-Lock wrote:
    See, I actually think this is the wrong approach to basketball recruiting unless you're a Kentucky, Duke or North Carolina who can just reload with 3 or 4 five stars every single year. In my opinion, if youre a program like Washington or Oregon or Gonzaga those one and done players are program killers, not program builders. I think UW should be looking for Andrew Andrews type players, not Ben Simmons type players. Find those 4 star kids that are good enough players to contribute big time in college and stick around for a few years, not those kids who are going to be here for a year and be gone before you even got to know them.



    Program killer? If UO had held onto Jamal Murray, this is a final 4 team for sure, and likely 33-3 right now. The key for a school like UO, is the have a good mix of both.


    Yea, I admit "program killer" was a huge over exaggeration on my part, but my point remains. What good did Chriss and Murray do the Husky program? What good would Fulz do their program next year? Rather then chasing 5 stars who were going to be one and done they could have had 2 solid players getting ready for their sophomore season.

    UW and UO are in pretty different places right now. UO already has the foundation built with veterans so an elite 1 and done type could come in and push them from really good, to great. UW needs to build the foundation first, imo, and then find the stars.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Wed Mar 23, 2016 10:50 pm
  • He's right, the one-and-done's haven't helped at all. We missed the tournament with Hawes, we missed it with Wroten, and we missed it with these two. The Hawes thing really hurt us. We completely got away from our style of play for a whole year just for him and it was kind of tough to get it back. It is a tough conundrum though. If they want to come, are you really going to turn them away? Ultimately, the growth of Thybulle, Dickerson, Green and Crisp are going to make us pretty darn good in 2-3 years, not these one-and-dones. We were bad this year because of a failure to develop and manicure that tall skinny kid whose name escapes me that left this season, keeping Williams-Goss and others. When we've been pretty good, it has been with Q-Pon, B-Roy, Brockman and the like staying late into their careers. Most programs need those upper-classmen role players.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Wed Mar 23, 2016 10:55 pm
  • I think Chriss can be a really good NBA player. There just aren't many 6'9" kids on the planet with his tools.

    Murray needs discipline and good advice. He needs to spend long hours in the gym developing at least a midrange game, or he's going to find himself overseas quickly. He strikes me as the type of kid that would rather find a game to go play in than spending those hours with a shooting coach. Either way he's going to be a millionaire, so you can't question his decision, but if he wants that second contract, he's got a ton of work to do. He's also going to fail pretty miserably in individual workouts. He may drop a bit.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:34 am
  • Well there goes all the hope I had for a Final 4 run. Back to the drawing board. The team will still be improved next year, but won't be anything special. And then it will likely be back to the drawing board once we lose Fultz to the NBA after one year. I think Romar may have to land Porter to save his job another year.

    Murray and Chriss will get eaten up by the NBA. I have more hope for Chriss as he has a unique set of skills and athleticism that doesn't come around often. The NBA won't wait for Murray's jumper and body to develop. Got a feeling he ends up in Durope or hangs around the d-league for his career.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Fri Mar 25, 2016 5:01 pm
  • UW ladies are up by 5 in the sweet sixteen against #3 Kentucky in Lexington at the half.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:02 pm
  • UW ladies take out Kentucky 85-72. On to the Elite 8.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:42 pm
  • Fultz is playing right now on ESPN in the McDonalds All American game.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:23 pm
  • The Huskies should go back and review just how we ended up leapfrogging UCLA and even AZ for a short while.

    If you remember, UCLA was getting some stellar recruits - remember how we got the "other" Holiday? What about how we missed out on the great kid out of Oregon, who went to Kentucky, and we ended up getting his friend who ended up being better for us anyway (Ross).

    We did have some high level recruits but most of them had fundamental flaws that limited the NBA's grade on them, which forced them to stay longer. Brockman was looked at as too short and a tweener for the position he played. While he was wicked strong, he was also looked at as not athletic enough. Isaiah AND Nate were both too short for their position that they played for us(off-guard) and had to take extra time to prove they could play point. Bobby Jones was another tweener type, and didn't have a strong jumper to be considered a good pick for small forward.

    But all those issues helped the Huskies gell and get better, which made them rack up wins. Consider how many current NBA or past NBA players were on Husky teams. Then look at teams like UCLA that got some five star stud, had him leave at the end up of the year and not only leave a gaping hole where he was - but chase off recruits that year that could have filled that hole or cause new holes in subsequent years. The one and dones just seem like they murdered UCLA, and I seem to remember some key guys for AZ doing the same to their squad.

    And then the Huskies go out and pull what UCLA was doing, resulting in very near what happened to UCLA happening to us. Oddly, the team pulling in 3 & 4 star guys (Oregon) ends up producing better than us. Using a bunch of guys that have some flaws but play well together. (with more actual plays and less street ball).

    The idea that bringing in big recruits helps the team only if we keep that recruit for several years, otherwise it just hurts the development of someone we could have used for 2-3 years - if not chases them off entirely. The only team I have seen that can consistently do well with the one & dones is Kentucky.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:59 am
  • Decent points, but Ross never made the tournament here and also left after two years. Neither Murray or Chriss were considered automatic one-and-dones. Are you implying that A.) we should actively look for lesser recruits. B.). If a stud recruit wants to come here, we shouldn't offer them? I think your theory that you're going to be able to find a 5'8" hidden gem every few years is going to be a bit more difficult than you're possibly imagining. If you want to build around guys like Hikeem Steward and David Crisp, you're not going to have a job for very long.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:33 am
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    I understand what you are saying, but if you know you can get a 5-star recruit, you are going to recruit them. If someone like Tony Wroten wants to come to your program, you are going to recruit them. It's easier said than done to say, "lets recruit lesser players who won't be one-and-dones." For instance, there is no chance Romar will give up on Michael Porter who is considered a top 3 prospect in next years class.

    Ideally you want really good recruits who don't project to the NBA. Like you mentioned, Brockman was too short for the NBA, Pondexter wasn't ready for the NBA, IT was too small, etc. But your program can't survive on recruiting guys like David Crisp and Thybull. You need big name kids. And most of these 2-3 star kids don't become productive until their junior year.

    I think Romar needs to go after the best available. But when he brings in a kid like Fultz, you have to make immediate plans to replace him, assuming he only stays one year. Murray and Chriss weren't suppose to be one-and-done's. Nobody thought they would. So they actually fit your mold, both were suppose to be here for at least 2-3 years.

    On a side note, I'm still holding out hope one or both return. I know they said they plan on hiring agents, but until they do, I have hope that they return. I think Chriss is a lock for the first round, but I think Murray is in serious doubt of falling to the second round. Draft Express who has pretty accurate information, has Chriss as a mid first round pick and Murray as an early second round pick.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:05 pm
  • TwistedHusky wrote:The Huskies should go back and review just how we ended up leapfrogging UCLA and even AZ for a short while.

    If you remember, UCLA was getting some stellar recruits - remember how we got the "other" Holiday? What about how we missed out on the great kid out of Oregon, who went to Kentucky, and we ended up getting his friend who ended up being better for us anyway (Ross).

    We did have some high level recruits but most of them had fundamental flaws that limited the NBA's grade on them, which forced them to stay longer. Brockman was looked at as too short and a tweener for the position he played. While he was wicked strong, he was also looked at as not athletic enough. Isaiah AND Nate were both too short for their position that they played for us(off-guard) and had to take extra time to prove they could play point. Bobby Jones was another tweener type, and didn't have a strong jumper to be considered a good pick for small forward.

    But all those issues helped the Huskies gell and get better, which made them rack up wins. Consider how many current NBA or past NBA players were on Husky teams. Then look at teams like UCLA that got some five star stud, had him leave at the end up of the year and not only leave a gaping hole where he was - but chase off recruits that year that could have filled that hole or cause new holes in subsequent years. The one and dones just seem like they murdered UCLA, and I seem to remember some key guys for AZ doing the same to their squad.

    And then the Huskies go out and pull what UCLA was doing, resulting in very near what happened to UCLA happening to us. Oddly, the team pulling in 3 & 4 star guys (Oregon) ends up producing better than us. Using a bunch of guys that have some flaws but play well together. (with more actual plays and less street ball).

    The idea that bringing in big recruits helps the team only if we keep that recruit for several years, otherwise it just hurts the development of someone we could have used for 2-3 years - if not chases them off entirely. The only team I have seen that can consistently do well with the one & dones is Kentucky.



    Oregon starting 5 Benson 3* but was also a two time Arizona POY, Dorsey 5*, Brooks 4* but reclassified to a SR as a JR in HS, so you have to guess he would have been a 5*, Boucher 4* JUCO POY last season, and Cook 3* after one year of JC. 6th man Bell was a 4*. So it's not like UO is built with a bunch of no body's that weren't recruited by anyone else.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:03 pm
  • Wroten wasn't NBA ready when he left UW and I don't think Murray and Chriss are either. Chriss has an advantage because of his height and NBA teams drool over tall/athletic players. Both are going to get overwhelmed early on, hopefully they are drafted on patient teams.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:02 am
  • Hawk-Lock wrote:On a side note, I'm still holding out hope one or both return. I know they said they plan on hiring agents, but until they do, I have hope that they return. I think Chriss is a lock for the first round, but I think Murray is in serious doubt of falling to the second round. Draft Express who has pretty accurate information, has Chriss as a mid first round pick and Murray as an early second round pick.


    nbadraft.net has Murray in the lotto FWIW.

    If he's getting lotto projections, there's no way he returns. I think they're both probably gone.
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Re: Husky Basketball
Sun Apr 03, 2016 12:27 pm
  • I'm hesitant to include Fultz in the "one and done" talk. He's on a completely different level than Murray and Chriss. It's nice to say one and dones haven't done anything for the UW program, but I don't think it tells nearly close to the whole story. There are 2 types of one and done players, IMO. The first is one and done based off potential and getting immediately paid to keep learning the game and the other is the one and done thats NBA ready.

    Murray and Chriss fall into the first category. They aren't "NBA ready" and will most likely spend time in the D League. They struck while the iron is hot, which I don't blame them one bit for. But they were never supposed to be one and done type recruits. They were 4 star kids who have threw the roof potential.

    Fultz, on the other hand (and Michael Porter Jr, a 207 kid UW is in the mix for), falls into the second category. Even if Chriss and Murray returned next year, I still believe Fultz would be the best player on the team. He's elite, period. A program changer, I believe.

    So I think it's a little short sided and naive at best to compare a player of Fultz' level to Murray or Chriss, who are all tools but inconsistent.
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