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  • West TX Hawk wrote:And Diaz continues to fall in love with his slider and it's proving costly. For crying out loud, when you throw upper 90s+, throw your damn fastball 80% of the time not 50%. I don't know why he doesn't try to go up and in more. Now as he continues trying to be Slider Joe, watch over time as his velocity will dip. I've seen it countless times.

    His velocity has already dropped. His 99-101mph fastball is now 95-97mph.
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    West TX Hawk wrote:And Diaz continues to fall in love with his slider and it's proving costly. For crying out loud, when you throw upper 90s+, throw your damn fastball 80% of the time not 50%. I don't know why he doesn't try to go up and in more. Now as he continues trying to be Slider Joe, watch over time as his velocity will dip. I've seen it countless times.

    His velocity has already dropped. His 99-101mph fastball is now 95-97mph.

    Has it been 95-97 MPH regularly this season? Or just recently?
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  • Only if the M's still had Miguel Pineda and Jason Vargas. Those guys have been terrific so far this year for their teams - Yanks and Royals respectively.
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  • hawkfan68 wrote:Only if the M's still had Miguel Pineda and Jason Vargas. Those guys have been terrific so far this year for their teams - Yanks and Royals respectively.

    Ugh, it's depressing to even think about. Vargas traded for Kendrys Morales. The Pineda trade might be even worse. Traded for Montero, all because in addition to Felix, the M's also had Paxton, Walker, and Hultzen. I guess too many promising pitchers is a bad problem to have :roll:
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  • Doug Fister is still available. Sign him already.
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  • West TX Hawk wrote:And Diaz continues to fall in love with his slider and it's proving costly. For crying out loud, when you throw upper 90s+, throw your damn fastball 80% of the time not 50%. I don't know why he doesn't try to go up and in more. Now as he continues trying to be Slider Joe, watch over time as his velocity will dip. I've seen it countless times.



    Cause he has no idea where the fastball is going.
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  • gowazzu02 wrote:
    West TX Hawk wrote:And Diaz continues to fall in love with his slider and it's proving costly. For crying out loud, when you throw upper 90s+, throw your damn fastball 80% of the time not 50%. I don't know why he doesn't try to go up and in more. Now as he continues trying to be Slider Joe, watch over time as his velocity will dip. I've seen it countless times.



    Cause he has no idea where the fastball is going.


    For a flame-throwing closer, being "effectively wild" is one of the best traits to have.
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  • West TX Hawk wrote:
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    West TX Hawk wrote:And Diaz continues to fall in love with his slider and it's proving costly. For crying out loud, when you throw upper 90s+, throw your damn fastball 80% of the time not 50%. I don't know why he doesn't try to go up and in more. Now as he continues trying to be Slider Joe, watch over time as his velocity will dip. I've seen it countless times.



    Cause he has no idea where the fastball is going.


    For a flame-throwing closer, being "effectively wild" is one of the best traits to have.

    He can get away with that at 99+, the closer he is to 95 the more hittable his fastball is.
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  • For some reason, it's always great to see Edgar hanging out in the dugout.. yeah, my favorite Mariner. Remember him batting about 380 in the minor while I was back east and never understood why they didn't call him up earlier.
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  • Diaz is going full Rodney on us. :34853_doh:
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  • sutz wrote:Diaz is going full Rodney on us. :34853_doh:



    No confidence at all.. might be a good idea to visit our catcher down in tacoma.
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  • Bobblehead wrote:
    sutz wrote:Diaz is going full Rodney on us. :34853_doh:



    No confidence at all.. might be a good idea to visit our catcher down in tacoma.

    He needs it. He's falling apart. Could Cishek be back in the running for the closer?
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  • Bobblehead wrote:
    sutz wrote:Diaz is going full Rodney on us. :34853_doh:



    No confidence at all.. might be a good idea to visit our catcher down in tacoma.

    People do realize that Zunino was our best hitting catcher, right? :rofl: :laugh:
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  • Thepeelsessions wrote:
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    sutz wrote:Diaz is going full Rodney on us. :34853_doh:



    No confidence at all.. might be a good idea to visit our catcher down in tacoma.

    He needs it. He's falling apart. Could Cishek be back in the running for the closer?


    No please no! Vincent and Cishek are still the worst pitchers on the team.
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  • West TX Hawk wrote:
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    West TX Hawk wrote:And Diaz continues to fall in love with his slider and it's proving costly. For crying out loud, when you throw upper 90s+, throw your damn fastball 80% of the time not 50%. I don't know why he doesn't try to go up and in more. Now as he continues trying to be Slider Joe, watch over time as his velocity will dip. I've seen it countless times.



    Cause he has no idea where the fastball is going.


    For a flame-throwing closer, being "effectively wild" is one of the best traits to have.



    Oh boy, I hate being right!

    Yes effectively wild....within reason. But last night he was making Tuffy dive FEET out of the zone to catch the ball. I have faith Stott will slow him down, get back to basics, focus on mechanics. (hopefully)
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  • Regardless of Diaz's velocity, if he can't throw his slider for a strike, he's toast. Last year he was effective because of the quality of both of those pitches. Batters could adjust to, and be prepared for, one of them, but not both. The combination kept them totally off balance.

    Now his velocity is down, and his control with the slider is gone. He needs to be demoted as the Closer, maybe sent to Tacoma. Not as a punishment, simply to get things right. The kid is electric when he throws strikes.

    My recommendation would probably be Rzepzcynski as the Closer. He's the only one with the mentality that I would trust to hold down that role right now.

    And one of the things that pisses me off the most is our Catcher situation. I know Jesus Sucre was only an average catcher with below average offense, but he looks like an absolute superstar compared to Ruiz and Gosewich.

    Dipoto continues to baffle me. He makes some absolutely brilliant moves, like acquiring Haniger, Segura and Motter, then he blows an easy one like Sucre.

    Tuffy Gosewich should walk around with a permanent Golden Sombrero.
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  • Diaz no longer the closer. I'd assume it is just a short term thing until he gets everything worked out.

    Cano placed on the 10 day DL.
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  • Hawk-Lock wrote:Diaz no longer the closer. I'd assume it is just a short term thing until he gets everything worked out.

    Cano placed on the 10 day DL.

    That sucks, about Cano, that is. The Diaz move is kind of expected. But they'd been saying Cano would be back this week.

    Diaz might still be effective as a spot reliever. He's got good velocity, but obviously lets things get to him.
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  • Hawk-Lock wrote:Cano placed on the 10 day DL.

    I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. :?
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  • Watching the game, De Jong looks so uncomfortable in the mound. He's really not exhuming any confidence at all.
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  • Hitters just can flat out hit.
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  • Classic Cishek. Worst pitcher in the bigs. Been saying it for two years now. Always falling behind. Never has a 1-2-3 inning. Just terrible. He stunk so bad last year that he used an "injury" as a scape goat. What's he gonna say this year? Cause he flat out sucks...

    The silver lining is having Dan W in the booth other than Buhner. Thank goodness! Dan has been a pleasant surprise. I think he did a good job in the booth today.
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  • Seahaaaawks wrote:Classic Cishek. Worst pitcher in the bigs. Been saying it for two years now. Always falling behind. Never has a 1-2-3 inning. Just terrible. He stunk so bad last year that he used an "injury" as a scape goat. What's he gonna say this year? Cause he flat out sucks...

    Apparently SS didn't learn tha lesson last year. CIshek was the human blown save machine last season.
    Problem with strIctly sidearm pitchers is they don't miss up and down, they miss side to side, so when they miss outside of the strikezone it's way outside and the hitters lay off it. When they miss in the strike zone it's a batting practice pitch right down the middle usually belt high. The only role Cischek should have on any MLB roster is mop up duty (up or down by 6 runs).
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  • Cishek comes back and there goes the lead.
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  • *Sigh* Watching our bullpen (especially our closing situation) ... I feel like this classic scene basically captures the essence of what it's been like so far this year ...

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  • This team is in a ubiquitous state of chaotic injury and cataclysmic pitching.

    I never thought I would have to relive the angst and misery of seeing Cishek back in the closer role. At the major league level, he personifies donkey shit. And he sure ain't Eckersley or Quisenberry or Tekulve or any other decent sidewinder from 30-some years ago I can think of. What a disastrous loss that sums up the season.

    And Diaz is absolutely lost right now, both mentally and mechanically. Vincent and Rzep are our best relievers at the moment, despite Rzep's off night. No real solutions in sight.
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  • West TX Hawk wrote:This team is in a ubiquitous state of chaotic injury and cataclysmic pitching.

    I never thought I would have to relive the angst and misery of seeing Cishek back in the closer role. At the major league level, he personifies donkey shit. And he sure ain't Eckersley or Quisenberry or Tekulve or any other decent sidewinder from 30-some years ago I can think of. What a disastrous loss that sums up the season.

    And Diaz is absolutely lost right now, both mentally and mechanically. Vincent and Rzep are our best relievers at the moment, despite Rzep's off night. No real solutions in sight.


    I love this post. Speaking of Vincent, I'm surprised how well he's been this year. He was abysmal last year. But it's hard to not put a lot of the blame of the bullpen on Servaisz Stottlemyre, and DiPoto. It's clear Servais doesn't believe in long relief. It seems like 95% of the time, he'll utilize 95% of the pen between innings 7-9 of games that aren't complete blowouts. Ever since Stottlemyre has been here, I feel like the whole pitching staff has struggled for the most part. And I'm sorry, but DiPoto did such a poor job of constructing the pen. Trades a valuable pitcher in Montgomery. Gets rid of LeBlanc, who is one of the best relievers in the league for Pittsburgh right now. Brings in guys like Fien and Scribner. He needs to start making pitching a priority.
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  • Bergman was lights out last night. Hopefully it's not a one game fluke. Bergman and Pazos combine for a shutout. That's refreshing for this team right now.
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  • Thepeelsessions wrote:Bergman was lights out last night. Hopefully it's not a one game fluke. Bergman and Pazos combine for a shutout. That's refreshing for this team right now.

    Damn good win last night. Bergie was great, Pazos closed well. Defense was good and even the bats made some timely hits and scratched out 4 runs.

    Hope we can see more of this.
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  • Absolute stellar performance by Gallardo and Overton tonight. The whole team is really firing on all cylinders. Kept the Sox to just 19 hits and held em to 16 runs (only 15 earned). Freeman came in to close it out and gave up just 1 run actually so expect him to be 3rd in the rotation now. I can't wait for the week ahead!
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  • Just goes to show anytime Buhner has anything to do with he mariners, they stink. His bobble head stinks, and he stinks even worse in the booth. Stay away, Jay!
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  • How nice to see Servais laughing in the dug out having a great time during last night's blow out

    Starting to lose patience with this guy
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  • Crizilla wrote:How nice to see Servais laughing in the dug out having a great time during last night's blow out

    Starting to lose patience with this guy


    I was just reading on the official mariners fan forum... and most people on there are calling for him to be fired. I'd have to agree. I think he is awful. His decision making sucks. Refuses to play small ball. Pulling starting pitchers at 70-80 pitches in the 5th or so inning. Just a bafoon!
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  • How common is it to can a manager, mid season?
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  • Thepeelsessions wrote:How common is it to can a manager, mid season?


    I doubt it'll happen. Jerry and Scott are good friends
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  • Have the M's given up?
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    Thepeelsessions wrote:How common is it to can a manager, mid season?


    I doubt it'll happen. Jerry and Scott are good friends

    That's a bad combination. Loyalty > success.
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  • Bobblehead wrote:Have the M's given up?

    Sure seems like it. I guess they're still recovering from all the expended energy from the two game series against the Phillies :roll:
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  • Hey!!!! Perfect spot for Cishek, mop up roll. First thing Servais did right all year.
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  • You knew this was gonna go South at some point. To many injuries to overcome, there literally starting guys that pitched in AA to start the year. Let's hope there not to far out of it by the time they get there health back.
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  • I just looked at the box score and was thrilled to see Tuffy finally got a hit. I was about to suggest have our DH hit for him instead of the pitcher but now that he's batting .071 that would be a crazy idea.
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  • Well they held the Sox to single digit runs yesterday-quite the improvement over Saturday's debacle. All I can say is they better get healthy quick or it could be a long summer. There's still a glimmer of hope if they can get everyone back by the All Star break.
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  • And the good news is....they won't lose today.
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  • sutz wrote:And the good news is....they won't lose today.
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    So true! And Zunino was recalled to save our season... Isn't that pathetic though?-we actually look forward to a catcher that can hit .170.
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    sutz wrote:And the good news is....they won't lose today.
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    So true! And Zunino was recalled to save our season... Isn't that pathetic though?-we actually look forward to a catcher that can hit .170.

    I said it a couple of days ago. We sent him down, but he was our best hitting catcher. :34853_doh:
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  • The Astros won 1-0 today so the Mariners didn't play and still lost 1/2 a game in the standings.
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  • sutz wrote:
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    sutz wrote:And the good news is....they won't lose today.
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    So true! And Zunino was recalled to save our season... Isn't that pathetic though?-we actually look forward to a catcher that can hit .170.

    I said it a couple of days ago. We sent him down, but he was our best hitting catcher. :34853_doh:

    I'm actually pining for Sucre right now. How sad is that?
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  • Oh hey... Zunino is back. Strrrriiiiiiiike 3!
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  • 10-0 in the 5th. Out hit 15-2. Something needs to change.
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  • ...and Zunino hits a home run.

    :rofl: :laugh:
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