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  • Sadly I don't see Zunino getting another chance. He's had his chances. Time to move on.
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  • This is unbelievable. Machi gets pulled for a hand injury. Two pitches later, Evan Marshall hurts his leg. That didn't look good. Looked and sounded really serious. So many injuries to this team this year. Too many pitchers going down.
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  • Thepeelsessions wrote:This is unbelievable. Machi gets pulled for a hand injury. Two pitches later, Evan Marshall hurts his leg. That didn't look good. Looked and sounded really serious. So many injuries to this team this year. Too many pitchers going down.


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  • Pagan sucks. We will have to call some relievers up tomorrow assuming Machi and Marshall are hurt. What were we today, like 0-10 with RISP?
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  • Catcher Mike Zunino is heading back to the minors in an attempt to resuscitate his swing.

    The Mariners added to a busy day of roster moves Friday by optioning Zunino to Triple-A Tacoma just prior to their series opener against Texas at Safeco Field. They replaced Zunino by recalling Tuffy Gosewisch from the Rainiers.

    "We feel it's best for Mike at this point," general manager Jerry Dipoto said.

    Gosewisch, 33, was batting just .240 at Tacoma, but he reached base safely at least once in all 16 of his games in which he had an at-bat in compiling a .339 on-base percentage.

    Zunino, 26, departs with a .167 average and a .250 on-base percentage in 24 games. He struck out 30 times in 72 at-bats. He had no homers and just two RBIs.

    Earlier Friday, the Mariners placed left-handed pitcher James Paxton on the 10-day disabled list because of a strained forearm muscle.

    They also optioned outfielder Boog Powell to Tacoma while recalling infielder Mike Freeman and right-handed reliever Evan Marshall from the Rainiers.

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  • Man are we not snakebit???Hope we can dig up a couple of gems for pitchers somehow..
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  • Valencia is not good. Just because he had a couple of good games recently doesn't mean he's"heating up". His at bat in the bottom of the 11th (I think) last night against Barnette was pitiful. Just pitiful. 8 pitches. 2 balls. Every single pitch was down and away. Barnette did not throw a single strike. At least one of the balls was a check swing. 0-5 last night. If they can replace Zunino, why not Valencia?

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  • Great win tonight. Bats came alive and put up a huge 7 spot in the 7th. Segura is now hitting .357! Cruz is at .330 and Motter had a pair of doubles to break out of his slump. I wonder if Dipoto will consider July trades for a catcher, a SP or lefty reliever?
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  • West TX Hawk wrote:Great win tonight. Bats came alive and put up a huge 7 spot in the 7th. Segura is now hitting .357! Cruz is at .330 and Motter had a pair of doubles to break out of his slump. I wonder if Dipoto will consider July trades for a catcher, a SP or lefty reliever?

    It really was a great game. De Jong had a solid outing. Hopefully he can build on it. Who do you think could be trade chips?
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  • Thepeelsessions wrote:
    West TX Hawk wrote:Great win tonight. Bats came alive and put up a huge 7 spot in the 7th. Segura is now hitting .357! Cruz is at .330 and Motter had a pair of doubles to break out of his slump. I wonder if Dipoto will consider July trades for a catcher, a SP or lefty reliever?

    It really was a great game. De Jong had a solid outing. Hopefully he can build on it. Who do you think could be trade chips?


    I would look at seeing who may be interested in Peterson, Powell and Iwakuma. Our future OF should be Gamel, Heredia and Haniger. I wouldn't move any of those guys.

    I doubt there's much of a market for Dyson on a 1 year deal but you could package him, Kuma, Powell and Peterson for a couple of arms or an arm and a solid veteran catcher with at least 3 years remaining on a contract. Vogelbach is certainly movable but his market is likely limited. As much as I like the guy and his versatility, Motter could be moved also.

    It may all be wishful thinking, and there may not be much of a market for our prospects, but if we're over .500 in June and within striking distance of a WC berth in July and Smyly is healthy, you have to make a move somewhere. What are your thoughts?
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  • Ya really the only holes in the line up are catcher, 1st base, and CF. We are loaded everywhere else. Best offense we've had since 2003 IMO.

    ARZ is off to a decent start but man they've gotta feel a little punch in the gut for trading Segura. This guy is really articulate in the batters box and has his own thing going on. Reminds me of Ichiro a little bit. I love this guy.

    Heredia, Motter, Gamel, Segura, Haniger. All batting over .300 with good OPS. Have to give Dipoto credit for these new guys. It's made people forget about Cano, which is saying a lot. Especially with Cruz being an absolute madman. He's the real MVP.
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  • Had a small group Q&A with Ryan Divish yesterday, he covers the Seattle Mariners for the Times. Thought I'd share some of what he had to say.

    When asked about Felix, he said he doesn't think he will ever be what he used to be. He said Felix is struggling with idea of no longer being the best. Ever since he was a kid, Felix was the best player on the field once he put his glove on. Even guys like Cano and Cruz weren't great prospects, that had to work for it. So Felix has some learning to do. He went into detail about how teams are now approaching Felix at the plate. To sum it up, he said if the ball looks like it will be in the lower part of the strike zone, don't swing at it, it will likely tail off and fall out of the strike zone. Sit on anything that looks middle or high. Teams and players no longer respect his fastball, and Felix can't really throw it inside or high anymore.

    Was asked about why Zunino struggles with hitting, when he is a catcher who should understand pitches and the strike zone. He said that Servais and Dipoto think it's all in his head. He is overthinking everything at the plate. Being a catcher might be working against him. Rather than trying to determine which type of pitch it is, M's want him to simply focus on where the ball will be thrown to him. He will be back up sooner than later unless M's can pull a trade. Doesn't think they can trade for a current starting catcher, but could see a trade for a minor league catcher.

    He said one of Dipoto's biggest mistakes might have been over projecting Vogelbah. They pretty much went into the season thinking he would be the guy at first base. Was pretty clear early on that he was struggling and losing confidence.

    When asked about Trumbo, Ryan said he is a good guy and is very happy for him. Even when Trumbo was here, he never felt like he was wanted. Even Trumbo told him that he isn't a "Dipoto" guy. Dipoto wants athletic guys who can play defense and don't strike out. While Trumbo is a great player, he wasn't the type of guy Dipoto wanted. Trumbo also credits Edgar for his recent success in the majors.

    The coaches were really upset with Martin. When he started to struggle, he made changes to his batting stance without checking with the coaches. They basically sent him down and said fix it. He gave a similar story to Ackley, where he changed his approach at the plate without help from the coaches. They said to fix it or he won't play, Ackley worked on it all night until it was changed.

    Heredia has made good changes as a ball player. Thinks he can really help the team. Said he brings a spark to the team.

    M's were on the fence with the Taijuan trade. Seguar was always a part of the deal, but once they threw in Hanniger, M's were willing to make the deal.
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  • Woohoo tie game! Let's go M's
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  • Can we get some love for this Mariners team? I know they have killed us over the past 15 seasons. BUT check this out.



    Leads the AL in doubles

    Leads the AL in extra base hits

    2nd in the AL in runs scored

    4th in the AL batting average

    4th in the AL on-base percentage

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  • sdog1981 wrote:Can we get some love for this Mariners team? I know they have killed us over the past 15 seasons. BUT check this out.



    Leads the AL in doubles

    Leads the AL in extra base hits

    2nd in the AL in runs scored

    4th in the AL batting average

    4th in the AL on-base percentage

    3rd in the AL stolen base percentage


    Offense is awesome. Just don't show the pitching stats.
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  • Hawk-Lock wrote:
    sdog1981 wrote:Can we get some love for this Mariners team? I know they have killed us over the past 15 seasons. BUT check this out.



    Leads the AL in doubles

    Leads the AL in extra base hits

    2nd in the AL in runs scored

    4th in the AL batting average

    4th in the AL on-base percentage

    3rd in the AL stolen base percentage


    Offense is awesome. Just don't show the pitching stats.



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  • Great win today.

    Surprised this wasn't brought up during the game. The rangers Odor bunted the ball in the first inning, and I thought in real time he was out of the front of the battersbox when he made contact with the ball. Rewound the video, sure enough he was clearly out of the box, should have been out. He came around to score. Am surprised them Seattle bench didn't catch this.

    Glad that run didn't cost them a win
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  • sdog1981 wrote:Can we get some love for this Mariners team?


    They haven't earned it.
    This is becoming far too common for my tastes.

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  • West TX Hawk wrote:
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    West TX Hawk wrote:Great win tonight. Bats came alive and put up a huge 7 spot in the 7th. Segura is now hitting .357! Cruz is at .330 and Motter had a pair of doubles to break out of his slump. I wonder if Dipoto will consider July trades for a catcher, a SP or lefty reliever?

    It really was a great game. De Jong had a solid outing. Hopefully he can build on it. Who do you think could be trade chips?


    I would look at seeing who may be interested in Peterson, Powell and Iwakuma. Our future OF should be Gamel, Heredia and Haniger. I wouldn't move any of those guys.

    I doubt there's much of a market for Dyson on a 1 year deal but you could package him, Kuma, Powell and Peterson for a couple of arms or an arm and a solid veteran catcher with at least 3 years remaining on a contract. Vogelbach is certainly movable but his market is likely limited. As much as I like the guy and his versatility, Motter could be moved also.

    It may all be wishful thinking, and there may not be much of a market for our prospects, but if we're over .500 in June and within striking distance of a WC berth in July and Smyly is healthy, you have to make a move somewhere. What are your thoughts?

    I agree with Powell and Peterson. Heck, Tyler O'Neill has been a major downer in Tacoma so far. I wouldn't mind seeing him thrown into a deal as well. I'm on the fence with Dyson. This team needs that speed, but I don't think you can play him over Heredia or Gamel. Not right now at least. If he's not hitting, which he isn't doing right now, how much is his speed worth to this team? I think Motter is a valuable piece that shouldn't be moved. I see him as a future core guy for this team. Zunino and Leonys can go. Don't forget about Kyle Lewis. I'm really excited for him to be back in uniform soon.

    As far as pitchers go, it doesn't seem like Jerry has a lot to play with. Unless he can pull off another Miley for Miranda trade out of thin air again, I don't see anything too exciting. My feelings for Felix are well known here. I think Jerry absolutely has to move him if given the opportunity. There's a couple intriguing starters in the farm system right now. Max Povse, Andrew Moore, and Gaviglio. I'm looking forward to see what De Jong, Bergman, and Overton can do in the next week or two. Some of those guys might have trade value, or can work there way into the rotation.

    If Jerry can get an adequate catcher and starting pitcher with some of the names listed above, I'd be ecstatic.
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  • If this team does any trades it has to be for pitching. Our offense is the best in the AL with literally nothing out of the C spot. We can deal with that hole in the lineup. But what we can't deal with is using our 9th and 10th starter and a bull pen that was garbage before the injuries.

    Nobody on the big league club will be traded. Dysons not going anywhere. He isn't hitting now, but he has proven in a time share roll he can be invaluable. He is your pinch runner in the bottom of the 9th. He will get you second base almost every time.

    It really is refreshing to see young guys perform, Mitchy the kid before the injury, Motter, Gamels, Heredia all have been great. Amazing what youth can do when they aren't tasked with "saving the offense" like Montero, Smoak, Ackley, Zunino were.
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  • gowazzu02 wrote:If this team does any trades it has to be for pitching. Our offense is the best in the AL with literally nothing out of the C spot. We can deal with that hole in the lineup. But what we can't deal with is using our 9th and 10th starter and a bull pen that was garbage before the injuries.

    Nobody on the big league club will be traded. Dysons not going anywhere. He isn't hitting now, but he has proven in a time share roll he can be invaluable. He is your pinch runner in the bottom of the 9th. He will get you second base almost every time.

    It really is refreshing to see young guys perform, Mitchy the kid before the injury, Motter, Gamels, Heredia all have been great. Amazing what youth can do when they aren't tasked with "saving the offense" like Montero, Smoak, Ackley, Zunino were.

    Those guys you say were tasked with "saving the offense".Your saying they were no good because of this?I have to disagreeThey still suck years later and were just not going to be good hitters in MLB period.It happens to most players when they get to the top level.I blame the scouts and Jack for drafting the wrong hitters besides Seager.We had great pitching and they pissed all over it
    Today we have this offense but a rotation with 4 starters out and a bullpen that save for 2-3 guys I don't think I've seen this bad since 1977 to early 80's.
    I think they have done pretty well considering all the injuries ect anf hope they can hang in there till these players get back
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  • Of the players on the current roster, Kyle Seager is the only one I believe would get the necessary components back in terms of a quality arm or two from a trade. I'm not advocating trading him but where value is concerned, he probably would bring the best value in a quality pitcher. They could put Motter, Freeman, or DJ Peterson to replace Seager at 3B. Peterson was a 3B before they switched him to 1B.
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  • IndyHawk wrote:
    gowazzu02 wrote:If this team does any trades it has to be for pitching. Our offense is the best in the AL with literally nothing out of the C spot. We can deal with that hole in the lineup. But what we can't deal with is using our 9th and 10th starter and a bull pen that was garbage before the injuries.

    Nobody on the big league club will be traded. Dysons not going anywhere. He isn't hitting now, but he has proven in a time share roll he can be invaluable. He is your pinch runner in the bottom of the 9th. He will get you second base almost every time.

    It really is refreshing to see young guys perform, Mitchy the kid before the injury, Motter, Gamels, Heredia all have been great. Amazing what youth can do when they aren't tasked with "saving the offense" like Montero, Smoak, Ackley, Zunino were.

    Those guys you say were tasked with "saving the offense".Your saying they were no good because of this?I have to disagreeThey still suck years later and were just not going to be good hitters in MLB period.It happens to most players when they get to the top level.I blame the scouts and Jack for drafting the wrong hitters besides Seager.We had great pitching and they pissed all over it
    Today we have this offense but a rotation with 4 starters out and a bullpen that save for 2-3 guys I don't think I've seen this bad since 1977 to early 80's.
    I think they have done pretty well considering all the injuries ect anf hope they can hang in there till these players get back



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  • Wow, Gamel is having a game. Good to see the M's battle back, now let get the win.
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  • They pulled Cano with a strained quad.
    I would like to see what this team could do @ full strength for a month.
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  • This is what having good depth and defense does, and why Dipoto deserves credit. Mottor is really good in his role and Gamel has a hell of an arm.
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  • 10 runs, 16 hits today. The offense is turning out incredible. Can get to .500 tomorrow with a win. Can't wait for us to get healthy. Hanniger and Felix should be back in a couple weeks or so. Smyly sometime this early summer.
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  • Never would I have thought that the two guys battling for the backup outfield spot during spring training would play such a vital role this early. No doubt about it, you have to roll with Heredia, Gamel, and Haniger in the OF. Dyson can be the fourth outfielder and pinch runner. It's a no brainier.
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  • Bats can keep a team with bad pitching in any game. But good pitching can't keep a team with no bats in a game. Just think of all those teams that were trying to win game 0-0 seven years ago. The old GM's were like "let's build a pitching team because of this pitcher park." Jerry D is like "let's build a team that hits doubles and can run" it is the same thing the Cardinals did this past 20 years.
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  • .500 folks. 17-17 and the upward trend continues. 11 runs, 16 hits again today. Even Valencia had 4 hits to raise his avg to .243. Huge day for Cano too.

    Iwakuma was placed on the 10 day DL though. Perhaps not surprising. They called up Sam Gaviglio to take his spot. All in all, things are looking up. Expect a lot of 8-6, 10-8 type games this year.
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  • WHo the hell is this Ben Gamel? Damn.
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  • Bobblehead wrote:WHo the hell is this Ben Gamel? Damn.

    I don't know, but I hope he's under contract for the forseeable future. :D
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  • West TX Hawk wrote:.500 folks. 17-17 and the upward trend continues. 11 runs, 16 hits again today. Even Valencia had 4 hits to raise his avg to .243. Huge day for Cano too.

    Iwakuma was placed on the 10 day DL though. Perhaps not surprising. They called up Sam Gaviglio to take his spot. All in all, things are looking up. Expect a lot of 8-6, 10-8 type games this year.

    If you're a Mariners fan that's par for the course. Being at .500 means they are in the thick of it currently. The real season doesn't even start until after the All Star game. Keep within 10 games back, at that point the division title is totally in play and certainly a wildcard spot. We're good.
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  • No way did I think they could get to 500 with all the injuries..I am suprised
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  • IndyHawk wrote:No way did I think they could get to 500 with all the injuries..I am suprised



    Luckily, we've been in a span of rather weak teams. I don't mind.
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  • got the first 2 guys out then allowed 5 runs

    thats on servais, you gotta know when your guy is about to be done
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  • Justin Smoak getting some payback on us.

    I still think we are playing with fools gold. As good as the offense has been, you can't win with this formula. You can't win a World Series with a bottom 5 pitching staff. I know we have plenty of injuries, but even at full strength I have doubts about the pitching.
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  • Crizilla wrote:got the first 2 guys out then allowed 5 runs

    thats on servais, you gotta know when your guy is about to be done

    I'm not so sure. It looked to me like Gaviglio was shaking off a sign from Gosewich just before he threw that BP pitch to Smoak. Nice job rook.

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  • MAN! If you had told me before the season started ... that on May 11th that Justin Smoak would have better offensive numbers than Danny Valencia ... I would have told you that it sounded like you were loopy from getting hit in the head with a 95 MHP fastball. No way I would have believed that. Why does it always seem as if the Baseball gods have doomed Seattle to be forever tormented/burned by ex-Mariners?
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  • Hawkscanner wrote:MAN! If you had told me before the season started ... that on May 11th that Justin Smoak would have better offensive numbers than Danny Valencia ... I would have told you that it sounded like you were loopy from getting hit in the head with a 95 MHP fastball. No way I would have believed that. Why does it always seem as if the Baseball gods have doomed Seattle to be forever tormented/burned by ex-Mariners?

    The Mariners have had a bad habit of bringing guys up too soon, and watching them flame out, then trading them or letting them go. Most players need time to develop, including time to learn, but also time to fail and bounce back. The old regime would have dumped Valencia by now and continued to watch Vogelbach struggle, until they eventually let him go. I'd say that Voges has some promise, but needs at least another year at AAA to develop.

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  • Hawk-Lock wrote:Justin Smoak getting some payback on us.

    I still think we are playing with fools gold. As good as the offense has been, you can't win with this formula. You can't win a World Series with a bottom 5 pitching staff. I know we have plenty of injuries, but even at full strength I have doubts about the pitching.



    Amazing what the pitching staff will be once they get their top 4 starters back! The bull pen has been hit pretty hard with injury too.

    I like Diaz and Zych, Add in Cishek and you can push everyone back a roll. Add in all the great expereince the young guys are getting maybe someone makes an impact and sticks around.

    Just gotta keep treading water.

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  • Per ESPN, Kuma will miss 4-6 weeks with shoulder inflammation. How much longer will DiPoto put up with a rotation of De Jong, Overton, Miranda, Bergman, and Gallardo?
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  • You now got Weber who started today,I see from the box score that he did ok.
    Wow on all these no names we have pitching.
    Again what is Cliff Lee doing today?
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  • IndyHawk wrote:You now got Weber who started today,I see from the box score that he did ok.
    Wow on all these no names we have pitching.
    Again what is Cliff Lee doing today?

    And, of course, Weber goes out in the 4th with a shoulder injury of some kind. :34853_doh:

    The bats woke up a little bit, but still couldn't push many runs across the plate. Left 11 on base.
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  • I think at some point, Jerry should at least consider throwing out trade feelers for Seager.
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  • Thepeelsessions wrote:I think at some point, Jerry should at least consider throwing out trade feelers for Seager.


    I was thinking the same thing. If other teams are interested in taking on his long term deal, then Dipoto needs to contemplate a major move. Plug in Motter at 3rd and go from there. Even when we get more healthy, you really have no idea what you're going to get with Felix and Iwakuma at this stage of their careers. Frankly, both may be about done.

    I cannot ever remember a team so decimated with starting pitching injuries. To have Weber go down and the others earlier in the week is just astonishing. Better call up AA guys now...or make a move Dipoto.
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  • Typical Mariners, fight to get back to .500 and then get swept in a 4 game series by the worst team in baseball. Time to bounce back again, really needs some good news on the injury front.
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  • And Diaz continues to fall in love with his slider and it's proving costly. For crying out loud, when you throw upper 90s+, throw your damn fastball 80% of the time not 50%. I don't know why he doesn't try to go up and in more. Now as he continues trying to be Slider Joe, watch over time as his velocity will dip. I've seen it countless times.
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