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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:32 am
  • Cruz has no defense though. M's probably over paid a little too much for Cano but the idea at the time of having Felix and Cano in their primes was exciting.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:58 am
  • Crizilla wrote:Cruz has no defense though. M's probably over paid a little too much for Cano but the idea at the time of having Felix and Cano in their primes was exciting.

    Well, with no WBC to throw his arm out in March, maybe we'll get Felix at 80% or so. Cano was maybe slowed by injury last season (another WBC player), but he's still a front line 2d baseman and a presence at the plate. I'm happy with Cruz as a DH and (very) occasional OF. Still very productive at the plate.

    Yeah, window is closing, it would seem, but the offensive additions this off-season should help. Looks like DiPoto and Servais are betting that last year's injury avalanche to the pitching staff was an anomoly. I hope they're right. Then again, maybe they're just betting we can make it to the trade deadline with a decent record and then pick up a key player or two. It almost worked last year, but the overuse and instability in the pitching staff had us fading in Sept.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:01 pm
  • Crizilla wrote:Cruz has no defense though. M's probably over paid a little too much for Cano but the idea at the time of having Felix and Cano in their primes was exciting.


    I agree at the time there was a buzz about it. Now though there has to be a bit of disappointment that we got no play offs. Both his and Felix contracts are going to look bad soon. So is Pujols contract at the Angels, but they at least made the play offs a couple of times. Still nowhere near as bad as Josh Hamilton's contract at the time.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:05 pm
  • sutz wrote:Yeah, window is closing, it would seem, but the offensive additions this off-season should help. Looks like DiPoto and Servais are betting that last year's injury avalanche to the pitching staff was an anomoly. I hope they're right. Then again, maybe they're just betting we can make it to the trade deadline with a decent record and then pick up a key player or two. It almost worked last year, but the overuse and instability in the pitching staff had us fading in Sept.

    Problem with that they've already got one of the shallowest pool of prospects and would have to give up up more than one to get anything decent in return.

    I remember reading that the M's 10th rated prospect wouldn't even be in the top 30 for a lot of teams.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:16 am
  • Crizilla wrote:Cruz has no defense though. M's probably over paid a little too much for Cano but the idea at the time of having Felix and Cano in their primes was exciting.

    That is a problem..
    People get enamored with superstar players in sports and break the bank for them
    but fail to remember there are many parts to a team.
    So you overpay,get weak in other areas and gain little most of the time.
    Being excited didn't work for the Angels right?(Pujols/Trout)
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:35 am
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    Crizilla wrote:Cruz has no defense though. M's probably over paid a little too much for Cano but the idea at the time of having Felix and Cano in their primes was exciting.

    That is a problem..
    People get enamored with superstar players in sports and break the bank for them
    but fail to remember there are many parts to a team.
    So you overpay,get weak in other areas and gain little most of the time.
    Being excited didn't work for the Angels right?(Pujols/Trout)


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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:21 pm
  • Jerry Dipoto has done a horrible job in fixing the starting pitching. This was the Achilles heel last year and it's not improved in the off season. Good pitching beats hitting any day of the week. Unfortunately, the M's don't have good pitching. They'll probably score 8 runs each game but still lose. I still believe they should trade Seager for a bonafide starter. It won't happen but it should.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:24 pm
  • hawkfan68 wrote:Jerry Dipoto has done a horrible job in fixing the starting pitching. This was the Achilles heel last year and it's not improved in the off season. Good pitching beats hitting any day of the week. Unfortunately, the M's don't have good pitching. They'll probably score 8 runs each game but still lose. I still believe they should trade Seager for a bonafide starter. It won't happen but it should.



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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:17 am
  • hawkfan68 wrote:Jerry Dipoto has done a horrible job in fixing the starting pitching. This was the Achilles heel last year and it's not improved in the off season. Good pitching beats hitting any day of the week. Unfortunately, the M's don't have good pitching. They'll probably score 8 runs each game but still lose. I still believe they should trade Seager for a bonafide starter. It won't happen but it should.

    Agree 100%. Funny thing is though there is still quality FA starting pitching out there if they want to pay for it.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:30 pm
  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    hawkfan68 wrote:Jerry Dipoto has done a horrible job in fixing the starting pitching. This was the Achilles heel last year and it's not improved in the off season. Good pitching beats hitting any day of the week. Unfortunately, the M's don't have good pitching. They'll probably score 8 runs each game but still lose. I still believe they should trade Seager for a bonafide starter. It won't happen but it should.

    Agree 100%. Funny thing is though there is still quality FA starting pitching out there if they want to pay for it.

    Man, I know. It's pretty weird. It's almost like Dipoto has no interest in improving the worst aspect of the team from last year. It's pretty apparent that Dipoto values bats > quality arms, but at some point you HAVE to make an effort in the arms department.

    Like hawkfan68 said, he's really done a terrible job with the starting pitching since he's been here. Nay, the team as a whole. He's wheeled and dealed so much and has ended up on the losing end far too much for his tenure to be considered a success. I'm still excited for the season though.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:35 pm
  • This is the first offseason in a while I can remember there being little to no expectations. Usually we do well under those circumstances. When expectations are high, the team does the worst. Maybe we will surprise.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:39 am
  • Agreed. It just sucks that 2 of the best players in the game (Altuve, Trout) are in our division (and maybe Verlander being the best pitcher in the AL).
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:37 pm
  • Crizilla wrote:Agreed. It just sucks that 2 of the best players in the game (Altuve, Trout) are in our division (and maybe Verlander being the best pitcher in the AL).


    Verlander? Maybe a decade ago.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:20 pm
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    Crizilla wrote:Agreed. It just sucks that 2 of the best players in the game (Altuve, Trout) are in our division (and maybe Verlander being the best pitcher in the AL).


    Verlander? Maybe a decade ago.


    He reinvented himself last season, but he still is far from being the best. He's probably around the 10th best starting pitcher in MLB.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:08 am
  • Astros don't win the world series without Verlander. Sale struggled at the end of the year. Felix past his prime and injured. You could make a case Kluber is better but that's about it.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:34 am
  • Crizilla wrote:Astros don't win the world series without Verlander. Sale struggled at the end of the year. Felix past his prime and injured. You could make a case Kluber is better but that's about it.


    JV is clutch, and you are right that they probably don't win the WS without him. But I don't think he is a top 5 regular season pitcher. Personally I'd take Kershaw, Sale, Scherzer, Kluber, Severino, and a healthy Syndergaard over JV. But if we are talking about taking one pitcher for a game 7, he might be my choice.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:20 am
  • Speaking of pitchers:

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    In his personal quest to pitch an entire season without time spent on the disabled list, reach the elusive goal of 200 innings pitched and being the top-of-the-rotation ace his potential suggests, the Mariners’ Paxton has continued to refine and adjust his offseason and spring training program. The latest aspect of that is a reduction of lactose in his diet.

    Following a breakout 2017 season in which he went 12-5 with a 2.98 ERA in 24 starts, Paxton decided to supplement his offseason preparation in search for better durability. He underwent myriad tests, including having blood samples drawn, to determine if changes to his lifestyle, specifically his diet, could lead to improved performance and injury avoidance. Without getting into every single detail, Paxton mentioned one noticeable change made because of the tests.


    Who knows if it'll keep him healthy. At least they're trying something. If Pax could give us 25-30 starts, that would help the rest of the staff a ton.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:13 pm
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:06 pm
  • The M's win, the M's win....oh wait a minute....it's only spring training.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:00 pm
  • M's are cursed.. Felix leaves game after getting hit in arm from line drive.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:12 pm
  • Bobblehead wrote:M's are cursed.. Felix leaves game after getting hit in arm from line drive.

    :34853_doh:

    After all the talk about how healthy he is supposed to be.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:29 pm
  • If the potential Felix injury doesn't light a fire under this FO to get a legit starter, then this season is over in February.. :roll:
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:51 pm
  • Just bubble wrap every starter and play the AA squad until the season starts.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:20 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:Just bubble wrap every starter and play the AA squad until the season starts.

    It kind of feels like one of those years.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:21 pm
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    I like that Levine is calling out the front office / ownership.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:26 pm
  • Sports Hernia wrote:
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    I like that Levine is calling out the front office / ownership.



    Honestly, M's are a starter or two from being a playoff team. They have top 10 offense and top 10 bullpen per reports. The starting pitching is mid to low level.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:02 pm
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    I don’t believe Dipoto would go after a starting pitcher if he had the cash to do so. Based on the comments he has made he feels they have adequate pitching. They didn’t need Ryan Healy or Dee Gordon. While they are good additions they were unnecessary compared to acquiring better pitching. The Mariners are cursed. They continue to hire terrible GMs who have zero good decision making ability.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:19 pm
  • Damn, that new Angels Pitcher throws some nasty stuff.. albeit in a B game, but still the stuff looked wicked.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:04 am
  • Saw that the Cubs signed Cishek in FA..Great!Now I gotta see him live...
    Also they signed Hultzen..There is a guy to root for!
    Jake is still a FA(Boras client)wouldn't mind the M's signing him fot a year.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:54 am
  • Ichiro coming back to the M's. He hit over .300 in the last few months of the season last year. He still has some gas left in the tank
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:04 pm
  • I’ll admit it. I laughed.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:15 pm
  • Only a garbage franchise like the Mariners would bring Ichiro back. Total PR move to sell more tickets. Moves like this and bringing Griffey back are why M's are a bottom 10 franchise in all of the major sports.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:11 pm
  • Hawk-Lock wrote:Only a garbage franchise like the Mariners would bring Ichiro back. Total PR move to sell more tickets. Moves like this and bringing Griffey back are why M's are a bottom 10 franchise in all of the major sports.


    I don't know, he's not going to be a starter, they need someone to replace Gamble for a spell and it's a nice fitting to let him retire as a M.. I don't have an issue with it.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:43 pm
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    Hawk-Lock wrote:Only a garbage franchise like the Mariners would bring Ichiro back. Total PR move to sell more tickets. Moves like this and bringing Griffey back are why M's are a bottom 10 franchise in all of the major sports.


    I don't know, he's not going to be a starter, they need someone to replace Gamble for a spell and it's a nice fitting to let him retire as a M.. I don't have an issue with it.


    Would much rather bring in a young guy where you can get some upside. Ichiro had a negative WAR last season, in no way was he brought in to add more wins. Nothing more than a move to sell more tickets by a franchise that doesn't care about winning. This would be like the Seahawks bringing Marshawn Lynch back three years from now.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:56 pm
  • Apparently today's game with Chi is televised on ROOT at 5:30.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:47 am
  • I would have been excited about MEchiro 5 years ago. Now, it just feels like an attempt to dwell on the past. Maybe they can continue to talk about 1995 some more too :lol:
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:07 am
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:I would have been excited about MEchiro 5 years ago. Now, it just feels like an attempt to dwell on the past. Maybe they can continue to talk about 1995 some more too :lol:


    Another reason why I can't stand the M's franchise. They talk about 95 like we won the World Series. Stop bringing up the past and actually put a team together that can win.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:07 am
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:I would have been excited about MEchiro 5 years ago. Now, it just feels like an attempt to dwell on the past. Maybe they can continue to talk about 1995 some more too :lol:

    Yeah, this has the smell of a PR stunt to sell tickets, not to improve the team.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:36 pm
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    SoulfishHawk wrote:I would have been excited about MEchiro 5 years ago. Now, it just feels like an attempt to dwell on the past. Maybe they can continue to talk about 1995 some more too :lol:

    Yeah, this has the smell of a PR stunt to sell tickets, not to improve the team.

    95 was our first playoff wins ever..Killed the Yankees! I remember jumping like crazy..
    I know thats over but nothing has matched that intensity since.
    Ichiro was part of a record win season that got beat in the AL Championship series.
    I still don't understand how that got away but yeah thats over too.
    Ichiro was supposed to be over ..Not getting why we need greyhead over prime players.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:21 pm
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    SoulfishHawk wrote:I would have been excited about MEchiro 5 years ago. Now, it just feels like an attempt to dwell on the past. Maybe they can continue to talk about 1995 some more too :lol:

    Yeah, this has the smell of a PR stunt to sell tickets, not to improve the team.

    95 was our first playoff wins ever..Killed the Yankees! I remember jumping like crazy..
    I know thats over but nothing has matched that intensity since.
    Ichiro was part of a record win season that got beat in the AL Championship series.
    I still don't understand how that got away but yeah thats over too.
    Ichiro was supposed to be over ..Not getting why we need greyhead over prime players.



    Still think it was 9/11.. M's weren't the same after that day... the intensity, just wasn't there anymore.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:57 pm
  • Normally I’d agree this is a publicity stunt, but I don’t agree this time. They have OF’s that are injured or have a history of being hurt (see Gamel, Haniger). I think it was done for baseball reasons.


    Problem is the M’s are famous for the “you gotta love these guys” BS, so even when it’s not a PR stunt, it looks like it is.

    Another problem is the PR department will go nuts and probably have 5 different Ichiro bobblehead nights and Rizz won’t stop gushing over him during every AB.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:43 pm
  • Is it the start of this season that Safeco Field is being renamed?
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:04 pm
  • Well I feel the season is already a wash. I herd on Brock n Salk there are 9 starters already on the DL. That is INSANE! They need a new trainer/conditioner or something. Or they are just cursed. CURSED I SAY!!! We don’t really have any starting pitching. Made no real moves in the offseason. Offense is good enough to score, but will they? Same story as last year... score 9-10-11 runs in one game then score 1 in the next 3. Good point about Safeco... I haven’t been downtown to see if the signs are changed. Who would want to sponsor 41 years of mediocre baseball? lol excited for the season but ZERO hopes. Pretty sure the Yankees/Astros again in the ALCS.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:31 pm
  • Seahaaaawks wrote:Well I feel the season is already a wash. I herd on Brock n Salk there are 9 starters already on the DL. That is INSANE! They need a new trainer/conditioner or something. Or they are just cursed. CURSED I SAY!!! We don’t really have any starting pitching. Made no real moves in the offseason. Offense is good enough to score, but will they? Same story as last year... score 9-10-11 runs in one game then score 1 in the next 3. Good point about Safeco... I haven’t been downtown to see if the signs are changed. Who would want to sponsor 41 years of mediocre baseball? lol excited for the season but ZERO hopes. Pretty sure the Yankees/Astros again in the ALCS.


    I was hoping with the new ownership they would try and rebrand to remove the stench of loser. New badge, new stadium name, heck I wouldn't be opposed to a new team name as Mariners doesn't really inspire. Maybe we just need to switch to the National League and spark up a rivalry with the Giants.
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