Jazzhawk wrote:Aaaaaannndd... he face plants once again in the Ryder Cup.
Sgt. Largent wrote:getnasty wrote:Good for the game of golf but there's something about Tiger that makes me want to punch him in the face.
Tiger's never been affable and likable...........like Nicklaus in his heyday, Tiger won fans over with his sheer talent, not his personality. People forget, Nicklaus was also very standoffish and prickly at times.
I actually find Tiger more likable now, because he's been humbled and that's palpable when he's being interviewed. He's far more gracious than he's ever been.
I love what he's doing, there's nothing better in sports than a great comeback story. In a sea of robotic golfers like Spieth, Jordan Thomas and Koepka? This is EXACTLY what the sport needs, some of the older players like Tiger to inject some drama and personality into these majors.
TreeRon wrote:To say so and so, playing today, is the best golfer ever is preposterous. Comparing eras in any sport is impossible.
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Sgt. Largent wrote:TreeRon wrote:To say so and so, playing today, is the best golfer ever is preposterous. Comparing eras in any sport is impossible.
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That's why we use tangible measures like trophies, championships, wins and in the case of golf, majors as who we determine as the "greatest."
IMO it was also much easier for Nicklaus to get to 18 majors when he played vs. Tiger or any modern golfer. Nicklaus had maybe 10-15 other golfers to worry about every time he teed it up, Tiger and others have literally 50 golfers that are capable of beating them on any given weekend, and for majors even more.
No way if Nicklaus played today does he get to 18 majors, not with how insanely competitive the sport is now.
That's why Tiger's solid 15 year run of dominating the sport is so impressive to me, and his recent comeback is almost equally impressive.
TreeRon wrote:Like I said go play a round with 1950's-60's forged MacGregors (or another club of that era) and then imagine 5'7" 140# Ben Hogan bending shots around trees and playing into 40 mph Texas windstorms.
I urge any of you guys that are really into golf, find some of those old clubs and play with them. At least take them to the range. They will be a test of your prowess. Then take those clubs and an old canvas bag and put them in your den or office and add them to your golf "collection".
IndyHawk wrote:Sgt. Largent wrote:TreeRon wrote:To say so and so, playing today, is the best golfer ever is preposterous. Comparing eras in any sport is impossible.
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That's why we use tangible measures like trophies, championships, wins and in the case of golf, majors as who we determine as the "greatest."
IMO it was also much easier for Nicklaus to get to 18 majors when he played vs. Tiger or any modern golfer. Nicklaus had maybe 10-15 other golfers to worry about every time he teed it up, Tiger and others have literally 50 golfers that are capable of beating them on any given weekend, and for majors even more.
No way if Nicklaus played today does he get to 18 majors, not with how insanely competitive the sport is now.
That's why Tiger's solid 15 year run of dominating the sport is so impressive to me, and his recent comeback is almost equally impressive.
I think maybe not 16 but over 10 is likely ..You do know he finished 2nd in majors like 23 times
right?That's just off what I remember reading.I think today's golfers have had a major technology boost
with the equipment and ball.Jack has said go back to the ball he used and the courses do not need to be
so long..
As for the era's -I think Jack and Tiger are the best ..No doubt.
In their primes with any equipment because to win like they did it becomes more than what the other
50 golfers have..The next elite golfer still isn't here yet...
TreeRon wrote:Like I said go play a round with 1950's-60's forged MacGregors (or another club of that era) and then imagine 5'7" 140# Ben Hogan bending shots around trees and playing into 40 mph Texas windstorms.
I urge any of you guys that are really into golf, find some of those old clubs and play with them. At least take them to the range. They will be a test of your prowess. Then take those clubs and an old canvas bag and put them in your den or office and add them to your golf "collection".
IndyHawk wrote:TreeRon wrote:Like I said go play a round with 1950's-60's forged MacGregors (or another club of that era) and then imagine 5'7" 140# Ben Hogan bending shots around trees and playing into 40 mph Texas windstorms.
I urge any of you guys that are really into golf, find some of those old clubs and play with them. At least take them to the range. They will be a test of your prowess. Then take those clubs and an old canvas bag and put them in your den or office and add them to your golf "collection".
My dad had a set of Jacks clubs(ones from golf store) I still have one from
that set..The "white fang"putter..I can't use that style but fun to look at.
I have used old woods and irons..When you hit them the feel is not the same
as these oversized ones today but Jack and Arnold were hitting old style balls
over 300 using the old woods..Imagine what they could have done today in their
primes..Yep this why I say any era..
Sgt. Largent wrote:IndyHawk wrote:TreeRon wrote:Like I said go play a round with 1950's-60's forged MacGregors (or another club of that era) and then imagine 5'7" 140# Ben Hogan bending shots around trees and playing into 40 mph Texas windstorms.
I urge any of you guys that are really into golf, find some of those old clubs and play with them. At least take them to the range. They will be a test of your prowess. Then take those clubs and an old canvas bag and put them in your den or office and add them to your golf "collection".
My dad had a set of Jacks clubs(ones from golf store) I still have one from
that set..The "white fang"putter..I can't use that style but fun to look at.
I have used old woods and irons..When you hit them the feel is not the same
as these oversized ones today but Jack and Arnold were hitting old style balls
over 300 using the old woods..Imagine what they could have done today in their
primes..Yep this why I say any era..
Nicklaus averaged 276 off the tee, and yes he'd be right there with everyone else today, over 300 yards off the tee.
Again, I'm confused with what you guys are saying. If everyone's using the same technology, I don't get the advantage any one golfer has over another. So to say "well if Nicklaus had the ball and equipment he'd be EVEN better!"
Makes no sense, cause Tiger and every other insanely talented golfer today is using the same tech. There is no advantage.
IndyHawk wrote:Doing his cut shots and playing smart golf gets him the win..
Major #15 and win #81..There is no other Tiger that is for
sure..
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