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  • Heredia is struggling. Span is playing great. Maybe time for a little more Gamel. I gotta catch a game this summer.
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  • Crizilla wrote:Heredia is struggling. Span is playing great. Maybe time for a little more Gamel. I gotta catch a game this summer.


    Was thinking the same last night. Heredia has dropped to a mid 2 batting average from .300. Span to center and Gamel to LF for a few games.
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:Servias has got to be quicker with the hook with the game on the line when the pitcher is getting hit. He’s lucky he’s got a gold glove 3rd baseman who made a great play on the last play of the game.

    Leake pitched great. Haniger and Segura has great games with the sticks, and Gordon and Seager with the gloves.


    All that Colomé business happened too quickly to get another arm warmed up in time. Díaz was up by the time the bases were loaded and then the bases clearing double happened. Servais didn't have an option.
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    Ruminator wrote:Been watching Healy closely the last few series. While it seems in most games he doesn't have to handle as many missiles hit right at him as do the other infielders, I love his obvious focus and intensity making sure he takes care of what he's supposed to take care of defensively at first base. And that catch of the short pop-up foul 3 or so games ago that most teams would've just let go foul being essentially between home and first, when I saw him do it, it didn't surprise me at all. He reminds me of... Earl Thomas, in a way.

    Leake's game is based on not letting hitters get solid wood on the ball. Outstanding performance tonight.

    I think our bullpen is not getting enough work lately. They're not coming out of the pen very sharp. We need a "bullpen" night
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  • That is a pretty big hit to the bullpen. Didn't get to watch a lot of the game yesterday, but it sounds like Leake pithced great. Would like to see Servais have a quicker leash with relievers who clearly don't have it. It was pretty apparent Nicasio didn't have it two days ago, and I'm guessing it was pretty clear Colome didn't have it yesterday.
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  • TransGenderHawkFan wrote:
    Crizilla wrote:Heredia is struggling. Span is playing great. Maybe time for a little more Gamel. I gotta catch a game this summer.


    Was thinking the same last night. Heredia has dropped to a mid 2 batting average from .300. Span to center and Gamel to LF for a few games.

    Heredia has the best OBP on the team (372), so he's still contributing even though his hit's have been finding a lot of glove lately. It's not as if he's putting together terrible at bats with 4 strikeouts a night. He's also the best outfield defender on the team. I wouldn't sit him yet, let him work through a mini slump every now and then. Giving him a day off to rest isn't a terrible idea as everyone needs those from time to time but anything that looks like him losing playing time or platooning with Gamel/Span is way overreacting right now I think.
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  • Hawk-Lock wrote:That is a pretty big hit to the bullpen. Didn't get to watch a lot of the game yesterday, but it sounds like Leake pithced great. Would like to see Servais have a quicker leash with relievers who clearly don't have it. It was pretty apparent Nicasio didn't have it two days ago, and I'm guessing it was pretty clear Colome didn't have it yesterday.


    What made it apparent that Nicasio didn't have it the other night?
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  • TransGenderHawkFan wrote:
    Hawk-Lock wrote:That is a pretty big hit to the bullpen. Didn't get to watch a lot of the game yesterday, but it sounds like Leake pithced great. Would like to see Servais have a quicker leash with relievers who clearly don't have it. It was pretty apparent Nicasio didn't have it two days ago, and I'm guessing it was pretty clear Colome didn't have it yesterday.


    What made it apparent that Nicasio didn't have it the other night?


    Apparently, his swollen knee was the reason why he didn't throw his high heat two nights ago. According to the Seattle Times article detailing the moves, it caused Nicasio a lot of pain whenever he had to push off with his leg, which is every pitch, and that caused him to not have good control of his fastball. Thus, the reason why he was throwing a lot of his off speed stuff and nibbled around the edges of the strike zone. It kinda made sense, since some of us were wondering why he didn't mix in a high fast ball during those 3 hitters that led to his eventual demise.

    This is a big blow to our bull pen, but according to Servais, it'll give other guys more playing time (ala Elias). We're getting Vincent back any day now, but he's not exactly clutch in high leverage situations, imo. Let's hope Nicasio and Altavilla come back soon, especially with Boston and NYY coming up. The Angels are no slouch, but they're kinda banged up right now.
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  • I think they will be better without Nicasio and Altavilla.
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    Hawk-Lock wrote:That is a pretty big hit to the bullpen. Didn't get to watch a lot of the game yesterday, but it sounds like Leake pithced great. Would like to see Servais have a quicker leash with relievers who clearly don't have it. It was pretty apparent Nicasio didn't have it two days ago, and I'm guessing it was pretty clear Colome didn't have it yesterday.


    What made it apparent that Nicasio didn't have it the other night?


    Apparently, his swollen knee was the reason why he didn't throw his high heat two nights ago. According to the Seattle Times article detailing the moves, it caused Nicasio a lot of pain whenever he had to push off with his leg, which is every pitch, and that caused him to not have good control of his fastball. Thus, the reason why he was throwing a lot of his off speed stuff and nibbled around the edges of the strike zone. It kinda made sense, since some of us were wondering why he didn't mix in a high fast ball during those 3 hitters that led to his eventual demise.

    This is a big blow to our bull pen, but according to Servais, it'll give other guys more playing time (ala Elias). We're getting Vincent back any day now, but he's not exactly clutch in high leverage situations, imo. Let's hope Nicasio and Altavilla come back soon, especially with Boston and NYY coming up. The Angels are no slouch, but they're kinda banged up right now.




    Those pitches that were hit were well placed. That was just a case of a really good batter beating a really good pitch. Reminded me of Vlad Guerrero hitting pitches from his shoe laces.

    Losing a pitch hurts, but none of us knew it at the time and the pitches he made were still top notch. I have a feeling that some of the comments are from boxscore browsers.
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:I think they will be better without Nicasio and Altavilla.



    This is nonsense. You don't lose two bullpen arms and get better.
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  • TransGenderHawkFan wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:I think they will be better without Nicasio and Altavilla.



    This is nonsense. You don't lose two bullpen arms and get better.

    Actually it’s not. When you lose subpar pitchers/players/coaches, a lot of times it’s addition by subtraction.
    It’s not that hard to replace pitchers with 5.34 era’s, the minors are full of pitchers that can do that.
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:
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    Sports Hernia wrote:I think they will be better without Nicasio and Altavilla.



    This is nonsense. You don't lose two bullpen arms and get better.

    Actually it’s not. When you lose subpar pitchers/players/coaches, a lot of times it’s addition by subtraction.
    It’s not that hard to replace pitchers with 5.34 era’s, the minors are full of pitchers that can do that.


    Yeah not sure why he thinks this concept is so ridiculous. Players going down with injuries and other players coming in and playing better and improving the team happens multiple times in every sport every year.
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  • therealjohncarlson wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    TransGenderHawkFan wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:I think they will be better without Nicasio and Altavilla.



    This is nonsense. You don't lose two bullpen arms and get better.

    Actually it’s not. When you lose subpar pitchers/players/coaches, a lot of times it’s addition by subtraction.
    It’s not that hard to replace pitchers with 5.34 era’s, the minors are full of pitchers that can do that.


    Yeah not sure why he thinks this concept is so ridiculous. Players going down with injuries and other players coming in and playing better and improving the team happens multiple times in every sport every year.

    Uhh, because the two guys that are hurt are two of the better arms in the Mariners bullpen. Plus the Mariner's farm system is possibly the worst in all of baseball. You don't get better by losing Altavilla and Nicasio. Hopefully they aren't out long.
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  • Looks like “bad Felix” is back after a short vacation.
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:Looks like “bad Felix” is back after a short vacation.

    Well, we said we needed a bullpen day. Perhaps not surprising that Felix gives it to us.

    Good inning from Elias.

    Cruz goes yard. :mrgreen:
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    TransGenderHawkFan wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:I think they will be better without Nicasio and Altavilla.



    This is nonsense. You don't lose two bullpen arms and get better.

    Actually it’s not. When you lose subpar pitchers/players/coaches, a lot of times it’s addition by subtraction.
    It’s not that hard to replace pitchers with 5.34 era’s, the minors are full of pitchers that can do that.



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  • therealjohncarlson wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    TransGenderHawkFan wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:I think they will be better without Nicasio and Altavilla.



    This is nonsense. You don't lose two bullpen arms and get better.

    Actually it’s not. When you lose subpar pitchers/players/coaches, a lot of times it’s addition by subtraction.
    It’s not that hard to replace pitchers with 5.34 era’s, the minors are full of pitchers that can do that.


    Yeah not sure why he thinks this concept is so ridiculous. Players going down with injuries and other players coming in and playing better and improving the team happens multiple times in every sport every year.



    What other players, guy?
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  • TransGenderHawkFan wrote:
    therealjohncarlson wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    TransGenderHawkFan wrote:

    This is nonsense. You don't lose two bullpen arms and get better.

    Actually it’s not. When you lose subpar pitchers/players/coaches, a lot of times it’s addition by subtraction.
    It’s not that hard to replace pitchers with 5.34 era’s, the minors are full of pitchers that can do that.


    Yeah not sure why he thinks this concept is so ridiculous. Players going down with injuries and other players coming in and playing better and improving the team happens multiple times in every sport every year.



    What other players, guy?


    You made a general statement about how you pretty much don’t believe in addition by subtraction and I countered with a general point about how it totally makes sense in some circumstances . Didn’t say in this specific case it was true
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  • Best addition by subtraction I can remember in recent history was getting rid of that sidewinder..that was a huge addition.
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  • Disappointing loss, to be sure. Felix looked lost again, and it was more than one inning. There was some bad luck involved, with the seeing eye singles and bloop flies to the dead triangle in short center/left. But he was not sharp at all.

    The good part is that Elias got 4 strong innings. He bolstered his case to be on our roster last night. We knew we needed a chance for the bullpen to get some work. Mission accomplished, I guess.

    The bats need to figure out how to not get hamstrung like they did. Snell wasn't as sharp as last time, but he still held us to one run.

    Big game today. Hope Pax can bring it again.
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  • sutz wrote:Disappointing loss, to be sure. Felix looked lost again, and it was more than one inning. There was some bad luck involved, with the seeing eye singles and bloop flies to the dead triangle in short center/left. But he was not sharp at all.

    The good part is that Elias got 4 strong innings. He bolstered his case to be on our roster last night. We knew we needed a chance for the bullpen to get some work. Mission accomplished, I guess.

    The bats need to figure out how to not get hamstrung like they did. Snell wasn't as sharp as last time, but he still held us to one run.

    Big game today. Hope Pax can bring it again.


    If the next start by Felix isn't much better, to be very real and fair here, I may start to wonder if he would benefit from a couple weeks, or however long he might need, in the minors. Who would be promoted to the rotation if this happens, I wonder. But hoping he bounces back and dominates like he did in his prior outing -- at Safeco vs. Rays, holding them to just one run.
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  • Bobblehead wrote:Best addition by subtraction I can remember in recent history was getting rid of that sidewinder..that was a huge addition.

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  • 2018 Felix Hernandez = 2017 Yovani Gallardo. It’s that bad...
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    sutz wrote:Disappointing loss, to be sure. Felix looked lost again, and it was more than one inning. There was some bad luck involved, with the seeing eye singles and bloop flies to the dead triangle in short center/left. But he was not sharp at all.

    The good part is that Elias got 4 strong innings. He bolstered his case to be on our roster last night. We knew we needed a chance for the bullpen to get some work. Mission accomplished, I guess.

    The bats need to figure out how to not get hamstrung like they did. Snell wasn't as sharp as last time, but he still held us to one run.

    Big game today. Hope Pax can bring it again.


    If the next start by Felix isn't much better, to be very real and fair here, I may start to wonder if he would benefit from a couple weeks, or however long he might need, in the minors. Who would be promoted to the rotation if this happens, I wonder. But hoping he bounces back and dominates like he did in his prior outing -- at Safeco vs. Rays, holding them to just one run.

    Does Felix have options remaining?
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  • The start before this one was 8 innings, 1 ER and 5K.

    Maybe the reality is in between... Hernandez is a back of rotation guy, not front end.
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  • Another nail-biter. But we should be used to it by now. Pax struggles early a bit, but finishes with a quality start, including 10K's.

    Big bats came to play to day, 3 HR by Cruz, Seags, and Z. Some crazy D to pull it off. That throw to home by Hanniger after missing the catch was aces. Some great catches by Gamel in right.

    I'm starting realize why Tampa traded Colome to us. Hope he can do better against other teams. :34853_tinfoil:

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  • TransGenderHawkFan wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    TransGenderHawkFan wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:I think they will be better without Nicasio and Altavilla.



    This is nonsense. You don't lose two bullpen arms and get better.

    Actually it’s not. When you lose subpar pitchers/players/coaches, a lot of times it’s addition by subtraction.
    It’s not that hard to replace pitchers with 5.34 era’s, the minors are full of pitchers that can do that.



    Hello boxscore bandito.

    I’m glad you’re not GM, while stats don’t always tell you the whole story they give you a pretty solid outline most of the time.

    Those “good pitches” you claimed of Nicasio’s that got hit the other night were nowhere near the Vlad Guerrero shoetop homerun variety you claimed they were, that’s a severe reach, sorry.

    So far Nicasio has looked like Jose Mesa, Mariners version.

    But hey, if you want to think Nicasio is a great pitcher because he lights up a radar gun, and his high ERA do to some dumb bad luck, don’t let little ole’ me stop you.
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  • Bobblehead wrote:Best addition by subtraction I can remember in recent history was getting rid of that sidewinder..that was a huge addition.

    Yep, can’t think of his name. I picture him but the name is escaping me.
    He should have never been a closer.
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    Yes that was his name!
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    sutz wrote:Disappointing loss, to be sure. Felix looked lost again, and it was more than one inning. There was some bad luck involved, with the seeing eye singles and bloop flies to the dead triangle in short center/left. But he was not sharp at all.

    The good part is that Elias got 4 strong innings. He bolstered his case to be on our roster last night. We knew we needed a chance for the bullpen to get some work. Mission accomplished, I guess.

    The bats need to figure out how to not get hamstrung like they did. Snell wasn't as sharp as last time, but he still held us to one run.

    Big game today. Hope Pax can bring it again.


    If the next start by Felix isn't much better, to be very real and fair here, I may start to wonder if he would benefit from a couple weeks, or however long he might need, in the minors. Who would be promoted to the rotation if this happens, I wonder. But hoping he bounces back and dominates like he did in his prior outing -- at Safeco vs. Rays, holding them to just one run.

    I have a feeling he’s going to come down with a minor “baseball injury” real soon, and land on the DL so they can work out some of the flaws. I don’t see them sending down their former ace to the minors.
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  • Threedee wrote:Haha, the Rangers just lost on a balk.


    Apparently the pitcher skipped coming to a complete stop in his movement on the mound before the actual delivery, hoping the batter wouldn't be as ready for it. Yes, rules are rules, but the umps giddily meeting up to say "Hey now, wasn't that a balk? We missed calling it when it when it happened but let's enforce the penalty anyway." I dunno about that.
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  • therealjohncarlson wrote:
    TransGenderHawkFan wrote:
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    Sports Hernia wrote:Actually it’s not. When you lose subpar pitchers/players/coaches, a lot of times it’s addition by subtraction.
    It’s not that hard to replace pitchers with 5.34 era’s, the minors are full of pitchers that can do that.


    Yeah not sure why he thinks this concept is so ridiculous. Players going down with injuries and other players coming in and playing better and improving the team happens multiple times in every sport every year.



    What other players, guy?


    You made a general statement about how you pretty much don’t believe in addition by subtraction and I countered with a general point about how it totally makes sense in some circumstances . Didn’t say in this specific case it was true


    No, I made a statement in a baseball thread, about bullpen arms, and specifically the mariners bullpen. That is not a general statement.
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  • TransGenderHawkFan wrote:
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    TransGenderHawkFan wrote:
    therealjohncarlson wrote:
    Yeah not sure why he thinks this concept is so ridiculous. Players going down with injuries and other players coming in and playing better and improving the team happens multiple times in every sport every year.



    What other players, guy?


    You made a general statement about how you pretty much don’t believe in addition by subtraction and I countered with a general point about how it totally makes sense in some circumstances . Didn’t say in this specific case it was true


    No, I made a statement in a baseball thread, about bullpen arms, and specifically the mariners bullpen. That is not a general statement.


    “This is nonsense. You don't lose two bullpen arms and get better.”

    If this isn’t a pretty damn general statement about how losing players affects your team I give up.

    One of my biggest pet peeves is when someone just keeps arguing ad neuseum about something trivial and can’t admit they are wrong. :roll:
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  • therealjohncarlson wrote:
    TransGenderHawkFan wrote:
    therealjohncarlson wrote:
    TransGenderHawkFan wrote:

    What other players, guy?


    You made a general statement about how you pretty much don’t believe in addition by subtraction and I countered with a general point about how it totally makes sense in some circumstances . Didn’t say in this specific case it was true


    No, I made a statement in a baseball thread, about bullpen arms, and specifically the mariners bullpen. That is not a general statement.


    “This is nonsense. You don't lose two bullpen arms and get better.”

    If this isn’t a pretty damn general statement about how losing players affects your team I give up.

    One of my biggest pet peeves is when someone just keeps arguing ad neuseum about something trivial and can’t admit they are wrong. :roll:


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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Another day, another 1 run victory. I'd like to buy that 3rd base coach a beer. What a jack wagon. :lol:


    Yeah, with as shallow as Haniger was it was a pretty dumb call.
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  • TransGenderHawkFan wrote:
    therealjohncarlson wrote:
    TransGenderHawkFan wrote:
    therealjohncarlson wrote:
    You made a general statement about how you pretty much don’t believe in addition by subtraction and I countered with a general point about how it totally makes sense in some circumstances . Didn’t say in this specific case it was true


    No, I made a statement in a baseball thread, about bullpen arms, and specifically the mariners bullpen. That is not a general statement.


    “This is nonsense. You don't lose two bullpen arms and get better.”

    If this isn’t a pretty damn general statement about how losing players affects your team I give up.

    One of my biggest pet peeves is when someone just keeps arguing ad neuseum about something trivial and can’t admit they are wrong. :roll:


    I accept your apology


    Move on, please
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  • It may be an idea with Felix to just turn him into a reliever for 1-3 innings?
    It might get his velocity up as it has for others..I don't know what is in
    AA/AAA that could be a better option or Kumo?I just do not see a trade
    where we can get a TOR starter without hurting the team..
    I would love to trade Cano off but who would do that?
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  • As of now, if the Mariners were to go .500 for the rest of the season, they would finish 90-72.
    RIP Paul Allen, 1953-2018

    The greatest owner in Seattle sports history.

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  • Always great to beat the Angles. They're the one team I love to beat. :irishdrinkers:

    Boomstick looks to be back for now. :2thumbs:

    Nice to see Healy to get a dinger, too. Bullpen right on the money and Fast Eddy with a great save, leaving Trout in the on deck circle. :mrgreen:
    Talent can get you to the playoffs.
    It takes character to win when you get there.

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  • Uncle Si wrote:The start before this one was 8 innings, 1 ER and 5K.

    Maybe the reality is in between... Hernandez is a back of rotation guy, not front end.


    So hes good once every 8 starts. Awesome. Felix represents everything bad about the mariners, they only kept him to sell tickets. They could have gotten a ton in return if they just traded him 5-6 years ago, but instead they wanted to have "kings court," every 5 games.
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  • Another great win. This team is only 6 games off the 2001 team. Lol
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  • Yeah nice win, I was a little worried they would come out flat after the road trip.

    I keep waiting for LeBlanc to regress but he hasn't. Boomstick looked great today.
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  • Now, the million dollar question is what will the M's will do about Felix?

    I'm a huge fan of Felix, but based on his post-game presser after Saturday's loss, I have a feeling he's either extremely delusional or just straight up too stubborn to admit his regression into a shell of who he once was.

    If this franchise is at all serious about contending for a playoff spot this year, they have GOT to do something about Felix's struggles. As of right now, his performance doesn't qualify him to even be a 5th man on the rotation. Elias, Miranda, or even Erasmo (if healthy) have the potential to be better options. Granted, those three could perform equally as bad as Felix has been (minus the outlier of the home game vs. the Rays), but those three have much more upside to perform NOT as bad as him.

    We are in the midst of one of the best seasons in franchise history, which doesn't happen very often as evident by having the honor of being the team with the longest playoff drought in U.S. major professional sports. If the front office piss away this chance by holding on to nostalgia and pretending that things will "right themselves" with Felix, then they are spitting in the faces of fans, players, and other team personnel.

    They changed things around with Ichiro when he turned out to be over the hill. Let's see if they are willing or able to do the same for Felix.

    Now, what I'm really hoping for is Felix to swallow his pride, accept himself for who he is today, work with what he has in his arsenal to maximize his abilities as a pitcher and help us (and himself) get into the playoffs!

    Hell, LeBlanc maxes out at 88mph, Jamie Moyer did it for all those years, and there are a number of pitchers around the league who maxes out at 90mph on their fastballs....and yet not all of them are getting their pitches plastered like Felix has been.
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