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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:31 am
  • *sigh*, Gate. Almost a good post from you right up until the last sentence.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:47 am
  • peachesenregalia wrote:*sigh*, Gate. Almost a good post from you right up until the last sentence.


    You really can't resist saying something about anything I say, can you?
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:54 am
  • Gatehawk wrote:
    peachesenregalia wrote:*sigh*, Gate. Almost a good post from you right up until the last sentence.


    You really can't resist saying something about anything I say, can you?


    I can't. Players leaving for other clubs has nothing to do with respect.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:11 am
  • peachesenregalia wrote:
    Gatehawk wrote:
    peachesenregalia wrote:*sigh*, Gate. Almost a good post from you right up until the last sentence.


    You really can't resist saying something about anything I say, can you?


    I can't. Players leaving for other clubs has nothing to do with respect.


    Wait, wait.... are you suggesting Carzola, Giraud and Podolski were not born in London with Arsenal bibs on, raised in Gunner housing while studying Wenger tactics and watching countless sessions of the Invincables every day while ending their nights sitting at Henrys feet as he regails stories of his goals?
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:15 am
  • peachesenregalia wrote:
    Gatehawk wrote:
    peachesenregalia wrote:*sigh*, Gate. Almost a good post from you right up until the last sentence.


    You really can't resist saying something about anything I say, can you?


    I can't. Players leaving for other clubs has nothing to do with respect.


    I just can't argue with you, because you just don't understand what the hell I'm talking about and I don't know how the hell I can explain it so you do.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:15 am
  • As a United fan it was great to see how we totally outclassed Arsenal on the pitch. Due to army duties I haven't been able to watch most of the games so far but this is the most dominant I've seen us play this season. The only negative thing I have to say about this game is that like Gatehawk said, the Arsenal fans really made their presence felt, not a great show by the United fans, at least as far as I could tell from the T.V..
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:30 am
  • roiyair wrote:As a United fan it was great to see how we totally outclassed Arsenal on the pitch. Due to army duties I haven't been able to watch most of the games so far but this is the most dominant I've seen us play this season. The only negative thing I have to say about this game is that like Gatehawk said, the Arsenal fans really made their presence felt, not a great show by the United fans, at least as far as I could tell from the T.V..


    United have found their form, and now the top of thr table. Deservedly as well. I still don't think Kagawa has fully integrated himself into the lineup either.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:36 am
  • Gatehawk wrote:
    peachesenregalia wrote:
    Gatehawk wrote:
    You really can't resist saying something about anything I say, can you?


    I can't. Players leaving for other clubs has nothing to do with respect.


    I just can't argue with you, because you just don't understand what the hell I'm talking about and I don't know how the hell I can explain it so you do.


    He left for money and trophies... the same reason EVERY professional athlete leaves. You don't have to explain what you mean. We get it. But why is Podolski at Arsenal? Or Giroud? How about Torres at Chelsea? What I don't get is why you expected something different from RvP? He didn't drive to Manchester and stand at the gates in the rain playing "your eyes" on his boombox... Arsenal sold him, like they do.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:13 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:He left for money and trophies... the same reason EVERY professional athlete leaves. You don't have to explain what you mean. We get it. But why is Podolski at Arsenal? Or Giroud? How about Torres at Chelsea? What I don't get is why you expected something different from RvP? He didn't drive to Manchester and stand at the gates in the rain playing "your eyes" on his boombox... Arsenal sold him, like they do.


    Remember his "little boy" line? It kinda makes me think he did do that when Arsenal weren't looking.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:09 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    roiyair wrote:As a United fan it was great to see how we totally outclassed Arsenal on the pitch. Due to army duties I haven't been able to watch most of the games so far but this is the most dominant I've seen us play this season. The only negative thing I have to say about this game is that like Gatehawk said, the Arsenal fans really made their presence felt, not a great show by the United fans, at least as far as I could tell from the T.V..


    United have found their form, and now the top of thr table. Deservedly as well. I still don't think Kagawa has fully integrated himself into the lineup either.


    I don't know if found their form is correct. I still get goose bumps every corner or free kick. De Gea is just horrible dealing with crosses which maybe forgiven in La Liga, but definitely not in the Premier League, where it's right at the top of the list of most important things for a goal keeper. The defense isn't helping too much either, but hopefully when we get Vida, Jones and Smalling back that will improve. On the offensive side we are playing good football though.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:52 pm
  • Gatehawk wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:He left for money and trophies... the same reason EVERY professional athlete leaves. You don't have to explain what you mean. We get it. But why is Podolski at Arsenal? Or Giroud? How about Torres at Chelsea? What I don't get is why you expected something different from RvP? He didn't drive to Manchester and stand at the gates in the rain playing "your eyes" on his boombox... Arsenal sold him, like they do.


    Remember his "little boy" line? It kinda makes me think he did do that when Arsenal weren't looking.


    I just got that image... wish I could photoshop
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:56 pm
  • roiyair wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    roiyair wrote:As a United fan it was great to see how we totally outclassed Arsenal on the pitch. Due to army duties I haven't been able to watch most of the games so far but this is the most dominant I've seen us play this season. The only negative thing I have to say about this game is that like Gatehawk said, the Arsenal fans really made their presence felt, not a great show by the United fans, at least as far as I could tell from the T.V..


    United have found their form, and now the top of thr table. Deservedly as well. I still don't think Kagawa has fully integrated himself into the lineup either.


    I don't know if found their form is correct. I still get goose bumps every corner or free kick. De Gea is just horrible dealing with crosses which maybe forgiven in La Liga, but definitely not in the Premier League, where it's right at the top of the list of most important things for a goal keeper. The defense isn't helping too much either, but hopefully when we get Vida, Jones and Smalling back that will improve. On the offensive side we are playing good football though.


    Ist football funny? Rest of the league is starting to sigh in disbelief at United's play/luck and yet their fans are team...

    Its been interesting watching United adjust its play this season. They are making a concerted effort to keep the ball centrally with Kagawa and utilze the triangle of him, RvP and Rooney... and then shift the ball out wide as the games reach the latter stages just in time to nic results.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:11 pm
  • Goal of the year so far?
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:04 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:Goal of the year so far?


    Cazorla vs West Ham, I can't really think of any other goals at the moment.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:16 am
  • That was an exciting game, by every reason you can think of. Arsenal shouldn't have given up those first 2 Fulham goals, but lets not dwell on that. I wanna hear people still call Giroud a flop after this, 2 goals to bring his total up to 6 overall and 3 Premier League goals. Arsenal should have taken all 3 points at the end when they got the penalty kick, Arteta mucked that up. The way I see it, the first 30 minutes it was even, the second 30 minutes Arsenal went brain dead at the back, and the last 30 minutes all of Fulham's players went brain dead. Arsenal shouldn't have conceded all 3 goals but it was great to see them turn it around after they had, and Arshavin surprised me a lot as he was looking like he was involved in everything after coming on and it was his attempted cross that got that pk at the end. MOTM is probably a tie between Berbatov and Giroud.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:11 pm
  • Should never have had that penalty at the end. Not a handball

    I thought Arsenal looked about average. The game was a decent one, though.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:56 pm
  • Gatehawk wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:Goal of the year so far?


    Cazorla vs West Ham, I can't really think of any other goals at the moment.


    You should watch more soccer
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:02 pm
  • peachesenregalia wrote:Should never have had that penalty at the end. Not a handball

    I thought Arsenal looked about average. The game was a decent one, though.


    Peaches... its almost hyberbole to suggest to Gate that Arsenal isn't involved in the most momentous and inspired football games of the day.

    In truth, they blew another two goal lead (or Arsene called it an "all too comfortbale position". Whaever that means). The gunners defense looks like a tepid, confuseed and uninspired group. They seem unwilling to disrupt the other teams advances and their front 6 almost refuse to defend as the ball progresses forward. The fact that noone can criticize Giroud (he's still very wasteful, and missed opportunities tonight) and Arsenal is scoring is the only reason they aren't in full panic. If they don't get sound behind the ball that time is coming

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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:29 pm
  • peachesenregalia wrote:Should never have had that penalty at the end. Not a handball

    I thought Arsenal looked about average. The game was a decent one, though.


    I kind of feel like the penalty at the end of the game was one of those that gets called 6 out of 10 times and pisses everyone except the team that gets the penalty kick.

    After Fulham tied the game they were talking about how Fulham will be a Top 10 club, sadly that's what Arsenal look like as well. I do kinda think this outcome had a good chance of happening since Arsenal had issues with Fulham last year, the 1-1 draw at home and the 2-1 away. It's still unexcusable after being 2-0 up, it was understandable against Schalke but not Fulham(who have been in good form as of late). I do feel Arsenal will be a bit better next week in the North London Derby in defense as there's a chance Wojciech Szczesny will be back in goal and I think both of Fulham's first 2 goals were a result of a bad reaction by Mannone.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:44 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    Gatehawk wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:Goal of the year so far?


    Cazorla vs West Ham, I can't really think of any other goals at the moment.


    You should watch more soccer


    I think I watch more soccer than you sometimes.

    Actually I said Cazorla's goal cause I just put down the first goal I thought of, after some thought I do remember Zoltan Gera's strike from the season opener against Liverpool and Cabaye's goal from last week. I'm looking over some videos to help jog my memory as well.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:18 pm
  • I'm sure you do think you watch more Gate. You don't but I'm sure you think so. I'm sure you believe Arsenal will be better next week. Also, santa is real, the tooth fairy will give you money for lost teeth and gas prices will stay below $4 now that Obama has been reelected.

    Arsenal are a shambles defensively, and its not the backline. They lack symmetry from the front and any teeth in the midfield. They have deep concerns as the season stretches along.

    Goal of the year question was more for peaches and iswt, who both saw Suarezm goal against Newcastle. Unmatched in the EPL as of yet (imo)

    Keep watching though
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:34 pm
  • Agree about the Suarez goal. he's a genius when he wants to be.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:05 pm
  • peachesenregalia wrote:Agree about the Suarez goal. he's a genius when he wants to be.


    I'm ready for the Bitters to go away. Another sneaky result for them today. Can they last? Have the makings of a team to stick around until late (except the depth)
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:39 pm
  • peachesenregalia wrote:Agree about the Suarez goal. he's a genius when he wants to be.


    I'm ready for the Bitters to go away. Another sneaky result for them today. Can they last? Have the makings of a team to stick around until late (except the depth)
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:52 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:I'm sure you do think you watch more Gate. You don't but I'm sure you think so. I'm sure you believe Arsenal will be better next week. Also, santa is real, the tooth fairy will give you money for lost teeth and gas prices will stay below $4 now that Obama has been reelected.

    Arsenal are a shambles defensively, and its not the backline. They lack symmetry from the front and any teeth in the midfield. They have deep concerns as the season stretches along.

    Goal of the year question was more for peaches and iswt, who both saw Suarezm goal against Newcastle. Unmatched in the EPL as of yet (imo)

    Keep watching though



    I don't watch a lot of football outside of the teams I follow (Liverpool, Sheffield Wednesday, Seattle Sounders, Borussia Dortmund, Champions League) keep me pretty busy.....The Suarez goal vs Newcastle was certainly very exciting, but unique in the fact that the actual hit of the ball into the net was by far the least impressive act of the whole run.

    Probably top 5 goal for LFC by the end of the campaign at least with Suarez with the other 4 entries as well.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:48 pm
  • I have seen Suarez's goal from last week, but honestly Suarez's goal is basically an easy goal for most strikers if given the pass Suarez got. You look at the 3 goals I mentioned, Gera's goal was unstoppable, Cazorla's stunned everyone, and Cabaye's was from a seriously difficult angle and the path was also crowded with players.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:01 am
  • Gatehawk wrote:I have seen Suarez's goal from last week, but honestly Suarez's goal is basically an easy goal for most strikers if given the pass Suarez got. You look at the 3 goals I mentioned, Gera's goal was unstoppable, Cazorla's stunned everyone, and Cabaye's was from a seriously difficult angle and the path was also crowded with players.


    I won't argue the other goals (all three very nice) but I had this out with some coaching friends (and Spurs fans) last night about Suarez. They say the same thing... simple goal. But that first touch, off the shoulder, with pace from a ball gone 60 yards is far more difficult than many give it credit. The control is fairly supernatural. He's back to the ball and draped by a defender. He controls it from shoulder (not chest) to foot while running. Just a great deal of skill

    All pretty goals and why we watch the game.


    Suarez must have decided Errys ban wasn't long enough, that looked painful
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:53 am
  • Mostly fair result from Stamford Bridge today.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:22 pm
  • I know your GOTY question is probably aimed at EPL goals but I did find this unusual one from the Belgian league.

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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:14 am
  • Liverpool supporters in this thread, how do you feel about Brad Jones's performance in Reina's absence? I say he's performed admirably and that Reina may be shopped in the window, agree? Pepe can't be out this long with just a minor hamstring knock.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:36 am
  • InSuarezWeTrust wrote:Liverpool supporters in this thread, how do you feel about Brad Jones's performance in Reina's absence? I say he's performed admirably and that Reina may be shopped in the window, agree? Pepe can't be out this long with just a minor hamstring knock.


    Completely agree. I think Reina is done, might be used as a makeweight to bring in a top-tier striker in the January window.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:11 am
  • InSuarezWeTrust wrote:Liverpool supporters in this thread, how do you feel about Brad Jones's performance in Reina's absence? I say he's performed admirably and that Reina may be shopped in the window, agree? Pepe can't be out this long with just a minor hamstring knock.


    It's not performance related, but Jones is a bit to, well, how to put it gently, Australian.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:47 am
  • I have heard Reine could definitely be on his way out in January.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:58 am
  • Gatehawk wrote:I have heard Reine could definitely be on his way out in January.


    The juxtaposition of 'could' and 'definitely' pretty much sums up online transfer rumours. Reina's best days look to be behind him, sadly.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:41 am
  • Hawkspur wrote:
    Gatehawk wrote:I have heard Reine could definitely be on his way out in January.


    The juxtaposition of 'could' and 'definitely' pretty much sums up online transfer rumours. Reina's best days look to be behind him, sadly.


    He'd still be a quality keeper on the continent.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:00 pm
  • peachesenregalia wrote:
    Hawkspur wrote:
    Gatehawk wrote:I have heard Reine could definitely be on his way out in January.


    The juxtaposition of 'could' and 'definitely' pretty much sums up online transfer rumours. Reina's best days look to be behind him, sadly.


    He'd still be a quality keeper on the continent.


    It'll be wherever Rafa Benitez pops up next. There you go: I could get a job on the Daily Mail's sports desk with insight like that.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:20 pm
  • I see Reina leaving soon, whether it be January or the Summer. However, Jones is only between the posts until more quality can be found. More names will pass through before January is upon us.

    Lots of interesting discussions of late on Liverpool and their new manager (and his system). Yesterdays change from a suddenly favored 3-5-2 (from his earlier 4-3-3) to a 4-4-1-1 shows a manager learning.

    12 points from 11 games (with 6 of those being City, United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Newcastle, Everton) is not ideal, but under the pressure and pretense of playing the top half its hard not to find positive change.

    Interesting article: http://microlfc.wordpress.com/2012/11/11/being-brendan-is-rodgers-the-right-man-to-take-liverpool-forward/
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:19 pm
  • I have seen Reina actually linked with Arsenal, but I highly doubt they'd sign him.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:04 am
  • Can Spurs please postpone all of their games until after January? Or at least until Dembele and Assou-ekotto are fit again? I admit to switching off after Arsenal's 2nd, but would hazard a guess that Arsenal exploited Huddlestone's severe lack of pace in midfield and hesitancy of our full backs.

    As soon as Adebayor was sent off, that game was cooked. Bad tackle, and not too many arguments with the card, although I thought a yellow would have been more appropriate. Off the top of my head I can think of a couple of dozen worse tackles that didn't get reds, but nevermind; with Huddlestone up against Corzola, Arteta et al I was never confident of getting more than a point.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:12 am
  • Alright, Spurs. Back in your box.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:32 am
  • peachesenregalia wrote:Alright, Spurs. Back in your box.


    Yeah, man. If they don't buy someone like Moutinho, Tom Ince etc in January they may as well hammer a nail or two in that box, put it next to Liverpool's and we can fight it put for the final UEFA Cup place every year.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:26 am
  • Quality effort from the Reds today. Hopefully if we can stay within striking distance then do some Christmas shopping we can put the heat on the top 5-6 teams or at least make their own respective campaigns more difficult.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:50 am
  • In rooting for QPR this year I'm learning what it must be like to be a Browns fan.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:38 am
  • SeatownJay wrote:In rooting for QPR this year I'm learning what it must be like to be a Browns fan.


    Iain Dowie and Phil Brown will no doubt be hanging around outside Loftus Road, resumes in hand, awaiting Mr Fernandes' arrival on Monday morning.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:09 pm
  • Phil Brown > Iain Dowie.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:45 pm
  • Hawkspur, I'd like to give a high 5-2 you. :0190l:

    In all honesty, claiming that the red card was why Spurs lost is not a legit excuse, I know I wouldn't admit it if it was Arsenal but still. Spurs had a striker sent off when up 1-0 and after that they played as if they had a defender sent off, hell half the time Spurs looked like they were running around like chickens with their heads cut off. It was awesome to see all the Arsenal new boys to score in their first NLD and for Mertesacker to finally get his first Gunners goal. The win was definitely satisfying and hopefully this will result in a massive turnaround.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:36 pm
  • I'm guessing it's true that Spurs played like they had a defender sent off rather than a striker. If you re-read my post you'll notice that I thought we would lose beforehand based on Huddlestone being too slow to cope with your midfield. The red card certainly didn't help; Lennon was very close to making it 2-0 seconds before Adebayor got himself sent off. My main gripe with the red card is that it was given (legitimately, admittedly) when many other refs (including Howard Webb on most other days) wouldn't have. Although I would have been slightly surprised if we'd held on to win, the red card definitely changed to momentum.

    A great result for Arsenal (yuck), but I'm guessing that Spurs won't have been as bad in this 5-2 loss as they were in last year's.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:26 pm
  • Hawkspur wrote:My main gripe with the red card is that it was given (legitimately, admittedly) when many other refs (including Howard Webb on most other days) wouldn't have. Although I would have been slightly surprised if we'd held on to win, the red card definitely changed to momentum.


    You and I have different opinions on the red card. While I'm sure we'll both agree that it was a bookable challenge, I feel that it warranted a red card. I think the reasoning behind the red card was that Adebayore's challenge was totally reckless and could have severely injured Cazorla. First off he dove in, second was a foot above the ground when he made contact and finally he was never gonna get the ball(if he had touched the ball he would have probably saved himself from a red card and got just a yellow).
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:27 pm
  • I'll chime in... Howard Webb loves to leave an impact on Derby games (or just any massive rivalry). Adebayor deserved yellow. Being reckless is what a yellow card is for. Making contact (or in this case full contact) is what reds are for. Either way. It was close enough either would have been warranted. But with Webb you knew it would be red.

    Arsenal looked the better side but still leaky, even with a man up. At 4-1 they let off and gave one up, then if not for Bales selfishness were ready to give up another soon after. That group needs to organize, and I mean from the front back. But its a derby victory and they should just settle for 3 points.

    Suarez is the best striker in the EPL... I dare someone to argue who is doing more with less. Simply superb. And liverpool have gone 7 straight undefeated. A nice run for the young team with the new manager (and yes its just Wigan, but it was just Stoke not too long ago)

    Poor effort by United, and Chelsea is showing cracks. They not only look mortal but severly flawed, especially defensively.

    More to be setttled by Boxing Day. Looking forward to see what groups step forward and which fall back in the next 4 weeks.

    And before I forget... suck it Bitters!
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