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One of the main reasons why Soccer will never be as big as any other sport here in America

1. Ties
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3. Low scoring

If this guy does flopping and bitching, then he's everything that's wrong with the sport


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One of the main reasons why Soccer will never be as big as any other sport here in America

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If this guy does flopping and bitching, then he's everything that's wrong with the sport


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Yeah, because guys never flop in basketball. Because a cumulative points league is just so bad for sports. Because hockey and baseball aren't low scoring.

Soccer won't be big in America because Americans are shite at it. You guys only like sports that are pretty much exclusively played in America at the professional level. That way all of the best players in that sport come here to play. You can't do that with soccer, so you don't like it. It's only the most popular sport in the entire world by a silly margin. I guess the rest of the world is wrong then?

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[quote="Shaz"]One of the main reasons why Soccer will never be as big as any other sport here in America

1. Ties
2. Flopping
3. Low scoring

If this guy does flopping and bitching, then he's everything that's wrong with the sport


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Yeah, because guys never flop in basketball. Because a cumulative points league is just so bad for sports. Because hockey and baseball aren't low scoring.

Soccer won't be big in America because Americans are shite at it. You guys only like sports that are pretty much exclusively played in America at the professional level. That way all of the best players in that sport come here to play. You can't do that with soccer, so you don't like it. It's only the most popular sport in the entire world by a silly margin. I guess the rest of the world is wrong then?[/quote]

When Italy and England went 0-0 after 90 minute I blanked out.


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So after 90 minutes you "blank out" Thats what, like three and a half innings of baseball?


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"as big as any other sport"... like which sport? Basketball? hockey? Baseball? its second in total viewership (as a sport, not the MLS) behind football and third in attendance (the MLS) behind football and baseball. means more people sit down and watch soccer (whether it be on TV or internet) than any sport outside football. They just dont watch it on ESPN. they buy foreign tv packages or stream it. their are 50 million expats in this country that care only about soccer. So Shaz thats just a completely dumb comment. great job. I think people confuse whether or not their friends watch soccer or not as some indication as to how many watch it.

It seems more people are trying harder to defend their dislike of the sport these days than defending enjoying it. Look, if you dont like the game, then jog on. Noone cares. If you dont like 0-0, then dont watch. Game has as much drama as a 0-0 baseball or hockey game. But its your opinion.

But the thread isnt about whether people who clearly dont understand how many people in the US actually watch the game its about Suarez.

I clearly understand why people hate him. Id hate him if he wasnt with Liverpool. He dives, bitches, bites, kicks, punches... he wants to win. Kills to do it. Hes also one of the most talented footballers alive. Glorious and ridiculous at the same time, a true talisman like Zidane and others from the 80s and 90s were. But to say hes whats wrong with the sport is ignorant of the sport. diving is a part of the game. its not any more harmful than jersey grabbing (or any of the "tricks" used by "veterans" in other sports...its funny whats called heady and whats deemed cheating). if youve played the game at a fairly high level or watch it closely you will see what doesnt get called. While diving can look like cheating, what players succomb to that doesnt get called is more stunning. Its a physical game that many just dont see. The theatrics can be a bit much, comical, but are being dealt with culturally. its going away.

If you cant appreciate what Suarez does for the PL you either dont like soccer at all, or youre an idiot Arsenal fan.


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[quote="InSuarezWeTrust"][quote="Shaz"]One of the main reasons why Soccer will never be as big as any other sport here in America

1. Ties
2. Flopping
3. Low scoring

If this guy does flopping and bitching, then he's everything that's wrong with the sport


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Yeah, because guys never flop in basketball. Because a cumulative points league is just so bad for sports. Because hockey and baseball aren't low scoring.

Soccer won't be big in America because Americans are shite at it. You guys only like sports that are pretty much exclusively played in America at the professional level. That way all of the best players in that sport come here to play. You can't do that with soccer, so you don't like it. It's only the most popular sport in the entire world by a silly margin. I guess the rest of the world is wrong then?[/quote]

When Italy and England went 0-0 after 90 minute I blanked out.[/quote]


You almost got it right, but not quiet.Americans don't dislike soccer becsuse we suck at it. We don't play it therefore we don't like it. If our best athletes grew playing soccer we would be one of the teams in the world at it. Same as boxing. The Americans don't have a decent heavyweight because he is playing Tight End or Power Foward.


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Calihawk... thats a common debate with American soccer. I just disagree with it. First, more kids ages 5-14 play organized soccer than all the other sports combined. And its not that close. Look it up.

The best athlete thing is purely American. Soccer players are world class athletes. The speed, balance, agility and strength they have while using their feet to control the ball is extraordinary. Its too easy to assume that calvin johnson or lebron james would just become world class soccer players if they grew up playing. As if the rest of the world only has 175 pound 5foot 8 men in their populace. The game is far more than that. If it wasn't why wouldn't the germans or dutch produced these 6 foot 8 soccer players. Is america the only country that has these athletes?

Not saying its impossible. But honestly our best athletes play soccer as well.

We just havent made them the elite soccer players yet. (thats a whole different post about the failures of youth soccer here)


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Players like this are why I can't take soccer seriously.


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Player of the year in the EPL. Gareth Bale and Robin Van Persie can feast on 1000 dicks.


Suarez absolutely deserves to be a player of the year however I don't think he will win the honors. The reason why is because they vote on this early and therefore Van Persie is most likely winner. He was a bit better than Suarez in the early to mid stages of the season. After that, it ain't even close.

Personally, I am not a big fan of Suarez as a human being but as player he is phenomenal. I believe he is the only reason why Liverppol are sitting 7th in the league table.

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Calihawk... thats a common debate with American soccer. I just disagree with it. First, more kids ages 5-14 play organized soccer than all the other sports combined. And its not that close. Look it up.

The best athlete thing is purely American. Soccer players are world class athletes. The speed, balance, agility and strength they have while using their feet to control the ball is extraordinary. Its too easy to assume that calvin johnson or lebron james would just become world class soccer players if they grew up playing. As if the rest of the world only has 175 pound 5foot 8 men in their populace. The game is far more than that. If it wasn't why wouldn't the germans or dutch produced these 6 foot 8 soccer players. Is america the only country that has these athletes?

Not saying its impossible. But honestly our best athletes play soccer as well.

We just havent made them the elite soccer players yet. (thats a whole different post about the failures of youth soccer here)


As far as more kids playing it than any other sport, I believe it. That is probably counting girls though too? Football and baseball don't even have a punchers chance.

Next if you look at the cutoff age being around 14 years. Many places around the country don't have football available until then. I understand it is the fastest growing sport and with player safety I assume that parents will tend to lean towards leaving them in soccer rather than letting them try out for football. As of right now as long as teenage American boys want to get laid they'll be turning their shin guards and soccer cleats in for shoulder pads and helmets as soon as they hit high school.

Also before I forget, our women do play through high school and college and they are halfway decent. That said I can imagine that if American males did the same the results would be similar. That's just me dreaming though.


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Calihawk... thats a common debate with American soccer. I just disagree with it. First, more kids ages 5-14 play organized soccer than all the other sports combined. And its not that close. Look it up.

The best athlete thing is purely American. Soccer players are world class athletes. The speed, balance, agility and strength they have while using their feet to control the ball is extraordinary. Its too easy to assume that calvin johnson or lebron james would just become world class soccer players if they grew up playing. As if the rest of the world only has 175 pound 5foot 8 men in their populace. The game is far more than that. If it wasn't why wouldn't the germans or dutch produced these 6 foot 8 soccer players. Is america the only country that has these athletes?

Not saying its impossible. But honestly our best athletes play soccer as well.

We just havent made them the elite soccer players yet. (thats a whole different post about the failures of youth soccer here)


As far as more kids playing it than any other sport, I believe it. That is probably counting girls though too? Football and baseball don't even have a punchers chance.

Next if you look at the cutoff age being around 14 years. Many places around the country don't have football available until then. I understand it is the fastest growing sport and with player safety I assume that parents will tend to lean towards leaving them in soccer rather than letting them try out for football. As of right now as long as teenage American boys want to get laid they'll be turning their shin guards and soccer cleats in for shoulder pads and helmets as soon as they hit high school.

Also before I forget, our women do play through high school and college and they are halfway decent. That said I can imagine that if American males did the same the results would be similar. That's just me dreaming though.



The age thing is an interesting dilemma, and one ive invested alot of time researching as VP of one of the biggest clubs in the state out here. basically its not about taking advantage of new sports. On the contrast, most kids between 5-14 are playing 2-3 sports a season. However, football (kids now play in the summer and fall), baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer are becoming 6-9 month investments now, not just "seasonal".

The dynamic changes drastically at 14. kids have to make a choice of one sport. (maybe two) because of the time and monetary investment involved. Football doesnt suffer too much as aside from camps there isnt much in the offseason (high school football doesnt evolve into summer club teams, but does have alot of camps) Soccer, hockey, basketball and baseball however continue to balance club and high school for up to 9-12 months a year. The kids then are really forced to concentrate on one.

It really has alot less to do with "getting laid" as much as choosing the sport you want (that want might be friday night lights, but athletes that make the choice for that typically arent going far in either sport). The football programs at high schools in most states arent any bigger in terms of participants than soccer programs (typically 60-100).

The USMNT has been built on physical, athletic players. What they are finally realizing is the game is far more technical and tactical and got not be influenced consistently by these types of players. They need to develop skillful, innovative, creative, etheral players, not just athletic ones.

Our youth system as it stands now is in a crossroads between development and fighting for the resources to keep it going. the duplicity is stunting its growth.

its little to do with the athletes that choose to play soccer and more with the way in which they are coached... sadly


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shelve it, twat.


And now I see why you like scum like him... birds of a feather and all that

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shelve it, twat.


And now I see why you like scum like him... birds of a feather and all that


Did Suarez say something bad on the pitch? Most likely. Is Evra a bitch? Definitely. Do you really think that any of what is said is really all that worse than on a football pitch close to 100 times in all sorts of languages and dialects? Probably not.


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I have only said that I dislike him because of his racist comments and then responded to being called a twat, I don't need a lesson in football etiquette, I've been on enough pitches in my time and I'd never put up with racist language anywhere.

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I have only said that I dislike him because of his racist comments and then responded to being called a twat, I don't need a lesson in football etiquette, I've been on enough pitches in my time and I'd never put up with racist language anywhere.


Look toadie. You're entitled to your opinion... but even Evar said Suarez wasn't a racist. The comments were blown way out of proportion. And in my mind suarez became a scapegoat of the FA. Terry actually used the "n" word and served a suspension half as long. Its a sensitive topic with liverpool fans.

Now, suarez is a villain... like Rodman, or even our own Sherman. He's a fantastic, beautifal, arrogant and nasty footballer. He's violent and dirty, and graceful at the same time. He's also donated hours of his time and millions of his dollars to helping those less fortunate.

So careful labeling someone a racists because he got into an argument with some whiney little twat on% of the world didn't think the comments were racist, but England does. Makes you wonder where the racism truly lies


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You make some interesting points... I disagree on the whole but see your point... now could we not have done this without dismissing me with a 'grow-up' or name-calling like peaches?

P.S RE: Terry - I concur entirely but that doesn't really affect my opinion on Suarez

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You make some interesting points... I disagree on the whole but see your point... now could we not have done this without dismissing me with a 'grow-up' or name-calling like peaches?

P.S RE: Terry - I concur entirely but that doesn't really affect my opinion on Suarez


I find labelling Suarez a "racist" to be immature and simplistic is all. Not just by you, but by the whole of football. The way he has been treated in england is deplorable.

Its cool you disagree.I don't blame you. Suarez is that type of player... polarizing.

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I'm at Uni in Leeds and work for Leeds United but my heart belongs to Bolton! Peaches - there's a difference between a short, if slightly disparaging comment and calling someone a twat... We're all #12s here and I don't expect to be sworn at for raising an opinion

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I'm at Uni in Leeds and work for Leeds United but my heart belongs to Bolton! Peaches - there's a difference between a short, if slightly disparaging comment and calling someone a twat... We're all #12s here and I don't expect to be sworn at for raising an opinion


Racist is a pretty strong term. A bit more than slightly disparaging. You can undertsand that I'm sure.

Some big changes at Leeds these days no? and Bolton huh? What's the thoughts over there on the return of Stuart Holden? I know he's on loan right now but are they interested in his return?

(I feel like we can all agree to call Johnny Evans a few slightly disparaging things)


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Yes but my comments were aimed at a celebrity pro footballer, his were aimed at me... That's not equal

Funnily enough I was chatting with Stuart Holden today because Leeds played Sheff Wednesday and I was working.
Says he'll be fully fit for the playoffs with Bolton with makes me happy... It's no coincidence our downturn in fortune came after that prick Evans screwed him up.

Things are looking up at LUFC too McDermott seems to have his head screwed on the right way

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I'll be the first to say it...

indefensible. disgraceful. let us all down today. I don't know if I should laugh or just bury my head in my hands. Brilliant assist, a little gnaw, and then a 96th minute equalizer

this may have been his last game in Liverpool red (and that would suck)

Game pretty much incapsulates our season. Domination, self destruction, salvation.. all in one game.

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Suarez......God dammit...


Inexcusable. What a twat. He's an amazing footballer, but he's mental.

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In Suarez I still trust. Pretty shitty thing to do, but he isn't going to be sacked. Last of him this year, and probably for a few to start next year as well I feel.

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Suarez......God dammit...


Inexcusable. What a twat. He's an amazing footballer, but he's mental.


So much being said on this, and from a lot of Liverpool fans considering selling him because of his disgraceful behavior.

That would be a shame. United didn't sell Cantona or Keane, they embraced the madness supported them through bans and won titles with them.

I hope Liverpool FC doesn't cave into simplistic nonsense whining from the multitudes who think this something more than a sport.

Ban him, fine him and play him 90 (or 96) minutes when he comes back. But please don't sell him. Not for being a lunatic atleast.


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Oh, I'm not calling for Liverpool to sell him, but he's still a twat. I'd like to see them bring in a shrink to help him sort himself out.

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I heard Mike Tyson got a Suarez tattoo.


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10 games. Silly.

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INCORRECT. They have a lot invested in him and he's a wonderful footballer. His value would be very low right now anyway. Better to try to correct his issues and help him work out his problems so that he can focus on the football. Would you have wanted Ushited to sell Cantona after the dragon kick? Or Rooney after any of his incidents? Everything is relative. 10 matches for this is silly. They (the FA) are basically saying that biting is worse than racism. 5 matches would have been enough.

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Perhaps but does he want to stay, really? I'm not really sure about that. Of course if he gets his head straight then there is no reason to sell him. He is a great player but no player is bigger than a team.

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Perhaps but does he want to stay, really? I'm not really sure about that. Of course if he gets his head straight then there is no reason to sell him. He is a great player but no player is bigger than a team.


You're right, no player is bigger than the team, but Suarez has owned this and is obviously ashamed of himself. Liverpool have more to gain by trying to help him with his issues than they do by selling him at this point. He's absolutely a one-of-a-kind player, and you don't cash in your chips on someone like that because of a few incidents.

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Well, I guess so but does he really want/can change? I hope he does since he is a heck of a player. In my personal experience people don't change much if at all.

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Its funny how we see things when someone we like or admire does something as opposed to someone we don't like or know.


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Its funny how we see things when someone we like or admire does something as opposed to someone we don't like or know.


Well DUH, and don't act like you don't do the EXACT SAME THING.


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CALIHAWK1 wrote:
Its funny how we see things when someone we like or admire does something as opposed to someone we don't like or know.


What does that even mean? Were you in a furor when Defoe bit Macherano a few years back? No, you didn't even know about it.

Plain and simple hypocrisy. Borderline racism. The FA should be ashamed.

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CALIHAWK1 wrote:
Its funny how we see things when someone we like or admire does something as opposed to someone we don't like or know.


What does that even mean? Were you in a furor when Defoe bit Macherano a few years back? No, you didn't even know about it.

Plain and simple hypocrisy. Borderline racism. The FA should be ashamed.

Suarez actions were ridiculous. 10 games is shameful


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Pants on head retarded. I hope he appeals.


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Pants on head retarded. I hope he appeals.

It will be up to the club, and really come down to how the British media are handling it this week.

Honestly its such an absurd suspension that ican actually see criticism for the FA emerging... but I won't hold my breath


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2313752/Luis-Suarez-bites-Branislav-Ivanovic-Suarez-wrong--Jamie-Carragher.html

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He got 8 games for the first time he bit someone (a sentence I never thought i'd type) so the FA had their hands tied a bit, it had to go up from there for a second offence surely? I agree with your annoyance that racism bans were less than this, but the fact that he's had both says to me he deserves whatevers coming to him.

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Hahaha, can any of you be complaining about the ten game ban, it's perfectly justified.

Defoe was booked, anyone that knows FA policy realises they cannot retrospectively take action if the referee has already dealt with it


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Hahaha, can any of you be complaining about the ten game ban, it's perfectly justified.

Defoe was booked, anyone that knows FA policy realises they cannot retrospectively take action if the referee has already dealt with it


Stop talking shit. The FA was within their power to do something about the Defoe incident and didn't. It's a blatant witch hunt, and the punishment is being dealt to the man and not the crime here.

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