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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:40 am
  • I hate being right about Tom Wilhemsen, but damned if I didn't see us losing lots of games with him as the closer. Makes Brandon League look like Mariano Rivera.

    I find myself wondering something.. Why the hell is Carter Capps not the closer? Now that kid has an arm on him.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:57 am
  • Wilhelmsen is nothing like League. Wilhelmsen has (had?) an ace-curveball. League just threw really hard.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:34 pm
  • Wilhelmsen was amazing to start the year. Then came the Cleveland Indians game on May 20th, where the ump would not call a strike for him. This made Wilhelmsen have to throw the ball over the plate, which of course was hit, causing a run to be scored. Ever since that game, he has been shaky. He has confidence issues that need to be resolved.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:21 pm
  • So can we DFA Harang and bring up Erasmo Ramirez now?
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:32 pm
  • Smelly McUgly wrote:Wilhelmsen is nothing like League. Wilhelmsen has (had?) an ace-curveball. League just threw really hard.


    That curve is the ONLY thing Wilhelmsen has, but he can't throw it every damn pitch! Not many pitches are harder on the wrist, arm, and elbow.

    League wasn't a bad closer. When he could find that split fingered fastball, he was unhittable. The heat was always on tap.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:04 pm
  • SmokinHawk wrote:
    Smelly McUgly wrote:Wilhelmsen is nothing like League. Wilhelmsen has (had?) an ace-curveball. League just threw really hard.


    That curve is the ONLY thing Wilhelmsen has, but he can't throw it every damn pitch! Not many pitches are harder on the wrist, arm, and elbow.

    League wasn't a bad closer. When he could find that split fingered fastball, he was unhittable. The heat was always on tap.


    You mean besides the 98 MPH fastball. I think he will be fine. All pitchers go through this, he will get through it. We definitely shouldn't give up on him.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:12 pm
  • bigtrain21 wrote:
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    Smelly McUgly wrote:Wilhelmsen is nothing like League. Wilhelmsen has (had?) an ace-curveball. League just threw really hard.


    That curve is the ONLY thing Wilhelmsen has, but he can't throw it every damn pitch! Not many pitches are harder on the wrist, arm, and elbow.

    League wasn't a bad closer. When he could find that split fingered fastball, he was unhittable. The heat was always on tap.


    You mean besides the 98 MPH fastball. I think he will be fine. All pitchers go through this, he will get through it. We definitely shouldn't give up on him.


    Wilhelmsen has the heat, but every hitter facing him knows exactly where he is going to place it.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:23 pm
  • bigtrain21 wrote:You mean besides the 98 MPH fastball. I think he will be fine. All pitchers go through this, he will get through it. We definitely shouldn't give up on him.


    Yup. For whatever reason (and there could be myriads of them) the bartender has lost his mojo right now, but i have no reservations that it's not coming back. His stuff is just too good.

    As far as Brandon League, well, mattingly has figured out what he's got there now too, hence League's removal from the closer role.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:24 am
  • m0ng0 wrote:Bonderman is starting to impress


    His last few outings have been impressive, but his strikeout rate hasn't been. Not sure if he can keep this up without striking people out.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:29 am
  • The Outfield wrote:
    m0ng0 wrote:Bonderman is starting to impress


    His last few outings have been impressive, but his strikeout rate hasn't been. Not sure if he can keep this up without striking people out.

    Jamie Moyer disagrees with you. :D
    Bottom line, if he's learned how to get people out it doesn't matter how. We'll see but it's looking pretty good right now. Rooting for you Jeremy, especially since you're a Pasco guy.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:11 pm
  • Mariners get Felix more than enough run support and than he gives it up......man nothing ever goes right for our M's.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:49 pm
  • Blitzer88 wrote:Mariners get Felix more than enough run support and than he gives it up......man nothing ever goes right for our M's.


    I ran to town to get our 50# burlap sacks of wheat and flour and other assorted vittles around the top of the 4th and we're up 8-2. The last thing i hear heading out the door is that Felix is 28-0 when we score 7+ runs in 31 starts he's been fortunate enough to have been spotted...in. Make sense?

    Well he's still 28-0 and we still managed to lose. Figures. Again.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:39 am
  • Blitzer88 wrote:Mariners get Felix more than enough run support and than he gives it up......man nothing ever goes right for our M's.

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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:12 pm
  • Mariners bring up brad miller. Let's hope he takes command os SS
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:34 pm
  • He's looked decent so far.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:04 am
  • I am so glad they are starting to bring some of these kids up ! Zunino was clutch last night
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:52 am
  • So, July 1st is tomorrow. Who do you think Seattle will trade away before the end of the month? My guess is Ibanez is garnering the most attention.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:50 am
  • SeatownJay wrote:So, July 1st is tomorrow. Who do you think Seattle will trade away before the end of the month? My guess is Ibanez is garnering the most attention.

    Agree. Dude is still an very fine major league hitter. May break Teddy Ballgame's record for homers in a season by a player age 40+. Record is 29 dingers (Williams did it at age 41 in 1960, his last season).
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:38 pm
  • I think Wilhelmsen will be fine. He's having trouble with his mechanics. Sometimes flying open, sometimes throwing across his body. He just can't put the ball where he wants to, with any of his pitches. He used to live knee-high on the black with his fastball, and then would throw it up and out of the zone with two strikes. He's leaving the fastball in the middle of the plate now, belt high, or way out of the zone. I don't care how hard you throw, you're gonna get touched if you start doing that. He has also lost command of the curve, and hangs it or pulls it across the zone.

    It looks like the first batch of kids, our highest rated prospects, are possibly all busts. Now the second wave of kids coming up, most of them less acclaimed, hopefully are ball players. We'll see how Franklin reacts after teams adjust to him. He's going to struggle at some point, how will he come out of it? I don't like Miller's stance. He's lunge-ish. That is a gimmick built for more bat speed that usually gets exposed at this level. Zunino looks like he came up way too soon. Looks pretty lost at the plate.

    Is this Jack Z putting all his chips on the table? These guys will be attached to his legacy, not somebody else's. So he's going to bring up everybody he's got so he can take credit for all of them. Is there any chance he or Wedge are around next season?
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:47 pm
  • They need one of the 3 of Ackley, Montero, Smoak, to be a decent player, and I know he is young but I have serious doubts about Montero. I have more faith in the second wave of Franklin, Zunino, and Miller, who may have been considered less talented but are scrappy and seem to have a better "drive" than the first wave. Just one guy's opinion!
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:15 pm
  • Tical21 wrote:It looks like the first batch of kids, our highest rated prospects, are possibly all busts. Now the second wave of kids coming up, most of them less acclaimed, hopefully are ball players. We'll see how Franklin reacts after teams adjust to him. He's going to struggle at some point, how will he come out of it? I don't like Miller's stance. He's lunge-ish. That is a gimmick built for more bat speed that usually gets exposed at this level.


    I haven't watched every game recently like I have in seasons past, but, I've noticed a lot of great things about both Miller and Franklin. Call me crazy, but I saw a smaller John Olerud style about Miller's approach (and swing) at the plate. His open stance presents itself well from that side of the plate, I suppose. Big things! (I hope)
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:49 am
  • I haven't either, but besides Ibanez and Kyle is there any starters left on the roster? Smoak i think and the pitching staff? Or is it pretty much all call ups at this point.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:39 pm
  • I'm gonna call my shot right now. I'm sold. This is the group that is going to make it happen (players). Not all of them, mind you, but most of them. After this season, we're going to make the playoffs at least five of the next ten years. Remember this month, and this season. This will be the one we look back on like we do the 2002 Seahawks. Nick Franklin will continue to be the catalyst. Seager will continue to be the rock. Ackley will be a perennial .300 hitter. Zunino is going to be Dan Wilson with a little more pop during his prime. They are still a speedster and a stud middle of the order bat short, but they'll get them. Felix is going to lead a phenomenal young staff for years to come. And there will be hardware.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:21 pm
  • Tical21 wrote:I'm gonna call my shot right now. I'm sold. This is the group that is going to make it happen (players). Not all of them, mind you, but most of them. After this season, we're going to make the playoffs at least five of the next ten years. Remember this month, and this season. This will be the one we look back on like we do the 2002 Seahawks. Nick Franklin will continue to be the catalyst. Seager will continue to be the rock. Ackley will be a perennial .300 hitter. Zunino is going to be Dan Wilson with a little more pop during his prime. They are still a speedster and a stud middle of the order bat short, but they'll get them. Felix is going to lead a phenomenal young staff for years to come. And there will be hardware.

    I say that with different names every year.... For let's see about 10 years now.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:25 pm
  • Tical21 wrote:I'm gonna call my shot right now. I'm sold. This is the group that is going to make it happen (players). Not all of them, mind you, but most of them. After this season, we're going to make the playoffs at least five of the next ten years. Remember this month, and this season. This will be the one we look back on like we do the 2002 Seahawks. Nick Franklin will continue to be the catalyst. Seager will continue to be the rock. Ackley will be a perennial .300 hitter. Zunino is going to be Dan Wilson with a little more pop during his prime. They are still a speedster and a stud middle of the order bat short, but they'll get them. Felix is going to lead a phenomenal young staff for years to come. And there will be hardware.



    Oh no. As an eternal optimist I've said the similar things for years. Now that I've finally convinced myself to stop hoping and stop letting the losing bother me you do this…… thanks a lot.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:03 pm
  • KK84 wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:I'm gonna call my shot right now. I'm sold. This is the group that is going to make it happen (players). Not all of them, mind you, but most of them. After this season, we're going to make the playoffs at least five of the next ten years. Remember this month, and this season. This will be the one we look back on like we do the 2002 Seahawks. Nick Franklin will continue to be the catalyst. Seager will continue to be the rock. Ackley will be a perennial .300 hitter. Zunino is going to be Dan Wilson with a little more pop during his prime. They are still a speedster and a stud middle of the order bat short, but they'll get them. Felix is going to lead a phenomenal young staff for years to come. And there will be hardware.



    Oh no. As an eternal optimist I've said the similar things for years. Now that I've finally convinced myself to stop hoping and stop letting the losing bother me you do this…… thanks a lot.

    Sorry my friend. I've been the exact opposite. I've known since 2002 that we didn't have any hope until we built through the farm again, and that it would take FOREVER. Jack Z is doing what I was screaming for. Over the next two years, we're going to be young, improving, and CHEAP. Perfect! Once we build momentum, that is when we spend the dough for the final piece or two.

    I'm bullish on Montero. He has such a sweet swing. He just needs the right coach.

    I'd love to find a way to keep Kendrys, but won't lose too much sleep when we can't.

    Sorry, but I don't think Miller will make it. His stance is the way it is because he can't generate enough bat speed with a balanced stance. You don't see guys swing against their body and make it. That swing is too long. And he has to open his feet to compensate so he doesn't pull out. In the end, because this makes such a long swing, he has to guess right, or he's F'd. Guys at this level are just too nasty to guess right all the time. It is a shame, because we don't have a lot coming up at short besides him and Triuenfel. Things get so much easier if one of them can play.

    Wilhelmsen is almost back. Still left a few pitches too high. He was as good as anybody in the business at locating his fastball. He's on the right track.

    Now we need one last good ol' fashioned fire sale. Sell Ibanez. Sell Morales. Sell Morse if you can. Sell Perez. Would a team give us anything decent for a combination of these guys? I'm still on the fence about trading Iwakuma. I can't see him keeping up this pace for the next several years, so my head says to trade him while he has a bunch of value. But the dare to dream mentality thinks maybe he can pitch really good for the next 2-3 years. Maybe I'll roll the dice and keep him around.

    I'm optimistic basically for one reason, Franklin. We've needed somebody for a decade now that was so confident and gritty that he was immune to the culture of failure and not hitting. We've needed somebody to come in and say "I don't care if the rest of you aren't hitting, I don't care about the ballpark, I don't care about the losing, I'm just going to hit, dammit". Similar to McCutchan in Pittsburgh. And it has to be done with flair. Only then can it be infectious. It will get the most out of Ackley and Zunino. Can it inspire Smoak? Meh, doubtful. How does your 1st baseman have 13 RBI at the halfway mark?

    I hope Jack Z gets to keep his job. I wouldn't mind a new manager though. Wedge isn't the problem, but I don't think he is the solution either. Sadly, there is no way they let Jack Z hire another new manager. They're probably both as good as gone.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:02 am
  • Some good points tikal, but only Iwakuma and the King are bringing anything in return. Morse, morales and ibanez would be salary dumps with maybe a low level prospect.

    If you feel the team needs to rebuild through the farm, and at this point your top prospects are already in the majors, Iwakuma or Hernandez are the only chips that will reestablish that.

    However, I'm on the other end, this teams salary is very low, and with four guys coming off the books (including Bay and Morales) its another good summer to go after top free agents. Not the Josh Hamiltons of the world but the Michale Cuddyers (two FAs from last year in different parts of the salary landscape, but with MC clearly outplaying JH). Those mid tier buys can really help stabalize this club competitively. We tried to spent 130 mill last year but are only spending 80. Would love to see 3-5 mid tier FAs come in
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:57 am
  • I am with you Tical, things are starting to click with a few of these guys, the rotation is starting to solidify, Wilhelmson is starting to find his groove again and the kids are starting to hit. Even Smoak is up to .255

    Until Seattle starts WINNING consistently and making the playoffs they just cannot compete for the masher type free agents. We need to find solid gap hitters with speed and thats how you win at Safeco playing more of an aggressive national league style, a small ball approach if you will. These types of free agents do not demand the premium that a Fielder or Hamilton get. Power is going to have to be home grown until they develop a culture of winning and until that happens you plug in guys like Bay, Morse and Ibanez whom IMO have all performed better then expected.

    The outfield has been the real tragedy of this season, Guit can't stay healthy, Saunders has been a huge disappointment, when you have Ibanez and Bay as your every day corner outfielders and a converted second basemen playing center you got problems!

    I still think they will make .500 this year and that to me is a step in the right direction and reason to feel positive about what is happening here.

    I don't think anyone is getting traded and I don't really think they should, like Si said you don't get prospects with Morse or Ibanez and I think they are more valuable on the team then off.

    I suppose the next step is the young pitching, when do we see them start them?

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Let's Talk Mariners
Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:38 pm
  • I have some issues with Wedge and his strategy. He likes to send big slow guys to steal and they get injured. Playing the " hot bat" vs statistics. Pulling pitchers at the wrong time.

    Z has done a mediocre job, he seems to have issues with talent evaluation IMO and likes to draft players that tend to be more major league ready , but with less upside. I would be ok with keeping them or cutting them loose. I don't see that we are that attractive of a landing spot and could we realistically find better.

    Before the trade deadline I would be ok with moving anyone given the right offer. We have some major league average players but no stellar position players. The best players we have are our 1-2 pitchers and I would try to keep those.

    This is and has been a bad team. Trying to build around Ackerly, Monterero and Smoak is a flop. We need to spin the wheel again and see what we can get. The younger guys mostly pitchers are 1-2 years away. We can build around the average or better position players we have Zunino, Miller ( I hope) Franklin and Seager.

    It hurts but that's they way I see it. Keep adding the missing parts and improve, band aids not work we went down that road already, and the best free agents don't want to come to a losing team and organization.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:43 pm
  • Raul sure has been fun to watch. Wonder how long he can keep it up.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:28 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:Some good points tikal, but only Iwakuma and the King are bringing anything in return. Morse, morales and ibanez would be salary dumps with maybe a low level prospect.

    If you feel the team needs to rebuild through the farm, and at this point your top prospects are already in the majors, Iwakuma or Hernandez are the only chips that will reestablish that.

    However, I'm on the other end, this teams salary is very low, and with four guys coming off the books (including Bay and Morales) its another good summer to go after top free agents. Not the Josh Hamiltons of the world but the Michale Cuddyers (two FAs from last year in different parts of the salary landscape, but with MC clearly outplaying JH). Those mid tier buys can really help stabalize this club competitively. We tried to spent 130 mill last year but are only spending 80. Would love to see 3-5 mid tier FAs come in


    Your spot on. I agree we need to play for free agents next year. And let ours 1year guys finish off contracts and add 3-5, dare I say players like the A's sign. I was hoping we would have landed Seth smith, before he chose the A's.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:49 pm
  • Blitzer88 wrote:Raul sure has been fun to watch. Wonder how long he can keep it up.


    I hope he has his career year and then retires as a mariner. Unless someone is desperate enough for a playoff push to give us a good prospect for him.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:43 pm
  • Tical21 wrote:I'm gonna call my shot right now. I'm sold. This is the group that is going to make it happen (players). Not all of them, mind you, but most of them. After this season, we're going to make the playoffs at least five of the next ten years. Remember this month, and this season. This will be the one we look back on like we do the 2002 Seahawks. Nick Franklin will continue to be the catalyst. Seager will continue to be the rock. Ackley will be a perennial .300 hitter. Zunino is going to be Dan Wilson with a little more pop during his prime. They are still a speedster and a stud middle of the order bat short, but they'll get them. Felix is going to lead a phenomenal young staff for years to come. And there will be hardware.

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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:16 pm
  • Brad miller can play SS just as good as Ryan. Miller and Franklin have great range.
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Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:19 pm
  • Miller has 2 triples on the day so far. I like miller a lot.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:33 pm
  • Now that the Kids are on the filed I give them two years to make some noise, if you have been patient to this point you have to let them season, picthers are going to find the holes in their game and exploit that coming around and seeing them agaon and they will have to tighten things up. People will bitch that they are flops till that is corrected, why I say two years. In that time a couple more prospects could make it up in pitching and maybe anopther position player or two giving you a young core that learns to play together.

    Trading guys just as they begin a major league talent level adjustment is what usually bites us in the ass as they become stars or anchors on other teams rosters. Yeah we suck, but the straw is getting smaller all the time now that we have got younger and hungrier. Versus the exhaust pipe we were using the last 9 years.

    The biggest fear I would have as a fan is if Lincoln and company will keep Z around or blow shit up again only to have a new GM trade away the youth for ageing vets to appease the fan base, bring in a few names to gain gate revenue and once again short term hope only to become celler dwellers again for another 10 years.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:19 pm
  • That's it I'm getting a Seager jersey I hope we hold on too him.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:28 pm
  • 425HawkSpark wrote:That's it I'm getting a Seager jersey I hope we hold on too him.


    He's as good as gone. Pick a one year wonder at pitcher, and expect him to be traded for said pitcher. The following will happen, Seager will be a solid 300 hitter avg 20-30 hr a year, and the pitcher will stink up Safeco for 3 years.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:54 pm
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    425HawkSpark wrote:That's it I'm getting a Seager jersey I hope we hold on too him.


    He's as good as gone. Pick a one year wonder at pitcher, and expect him to be traded for said pitcher. The following will happen, Seager will be a solid 300 hitter avg 20-30 hr a year, and the pitcher will stink up Safeco for 3 years.

    With the talent of pitching I would say replace with aging vet and you got it right. Sad but true.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:07 pm
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    425HawkSpark wrote:That's it I'm getting a Seager jersey I hope we hold on too him.


    He's as good as gone. Pick a one year wonder at pitcher, and expect him to be traded for said pitcher. The following will happen, Seager will be a solid 300 hitter avg 20-30 hr a year, and the pitcher will stink up Safeco for 3 years.


    There is absolutely no reason to trade Seager. He won't be arbitration eligible until 2015 and for our inability to sign FA batters he will be paid dearly for his services. Our ownership has never had a problem with re-signing players who have shined in our system.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:49 am
  • 4 of 6 from the Rangers and Reds on the road? I will take that! No way we trade Seager, he is IMO the nucleus of the rebuild, we have young promising arms down on the farm and offense is what we need.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:34 am
  • We keep the young players that are proving themselves and trade off the ones that fail. Seager is part of the core..Smoak is playing better and we don't have a minor leaguer as good as he is , so he stays. Ackerly does not have the arm for the outfield and seems lost. I would be willing to let him go as well as any vets we have that are up at the end of the season. Montero I would see what we could get but inclined to keep him as a DH unless we get a good offer.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:53 am
  • I have to be honest, I am not hating the infield right now. Smoak/Miller/Franklin/Seager is playing nicely. Not out of this world, but like an actual group of MLB infielders.

    It's too bad that the outfield is such a wreck.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:46 pm
  • Geez at this rate Smoak might actually see light at the end of my doghouse before the end of the year. It won't be pitch black anyways.


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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:30 am
  • If we can solidify the pitching rotation well be ok.

    We had a handfull of bad performances this year 3-5.

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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:57 am
  • Seem to be playing a LOT more consistent ball here right into the all-star break. Teams usually fall apart or get hot immediately after the break, so here is to hoping for the latter. A .500 season is still a flickering hope (we've been playing .500 ball for about a month now), we just need to go on a tear and get back into mediocrity.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:40 am
  • Trenchbroom wrote:Geez at this rate Smoak might actually see light at the end of my doghouse before the end of the year. It won't be pitch black anyways.


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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:49 am
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    CPHawk wrote:
    425HawkSpark wrote:That's it I'm getting a Seager jersey I hope we hold on too him.


    He's as good as gone. Pick a one year wonder at pitcher, and expect him to be traded for said pitcher. The following will happen, Seager will be a solid 300 hitter avg 20-30 hr a year, and the pitcher will stink up Safeco for 3 years.


    There is absolutely no reason to trade Seager. He won't be arbitration eligible until 2015 and for our inability to sign FA batters he will be paid dearly for his services. Our ownership has never had a problem with re-signing players who have shined in our system.


    Its just people having a moan with no substance somehow trading one top prospect (Adam Jones) signifies a decade of trading young talent away.

    Nice to Smoak making the most of this chance the Ms clearly realize he is important to their future and need him to come good, even average
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:58 am
  • Is it time to say goodbye to Guti?

    I mean he's awsome when he's actually on the field but man, dude would pull a tricept clapping his hands..
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