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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:41 pm
  • Elias is up next. Kid looked great in the preseason.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:19 am
  • the hart homer was very relieving. He had looked horrible prior to that one swing. If he and morrison can be a legitimate platoon that would be huge
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:23 am
  • despite smoak, ackley, miller's hitting there has not been one more impressive young kid so far than Zunino.
    The kid is going to struggle at the plate, he's going to strike out a ton. But what he can do is field, and 2 straight clutch hits in as many games. Wow!
    Our first franchise catcher since Wilson maybe (we'll see if his hitting comes along)
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:51 am
  • Atradees wrote:Elias is up next. Kid looked great in the preseason.



    agreed, excited to see him.

    but how good were Ramirez and Paxson (2 hits, 9ks, 0 ERs over 7)?

    The Angels sweep was the perfect storm for the Mariners:

    Felix dealing as usual (11Ks), Cano just being an impact in the middle of the lineup (5 for 11, 4BB)

    but: Zunino, Miller, Ackely, and Smoak (7 RBI already) raking, and Ramirez and Paxson looking at their potential best

    just three games, but a great start. while its too early to get too excited, this three game sweep was dominant in both frames, was against an AL West opponent, and took apart two lefties (which is supposed to be a major issue for this team givign their left heavy lineup)
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:41 am
  • Nice way to start for the M's. Unfortunately there are 159 games left, and historically we have seen this before.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:49 am
  • Largent80 wrote:Nice way to start for the M's. Unfortunately there are 159 games left, and historically we have seen this before.


    We have?
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:53 am
  • CPHawk wrote:
    Largent80 wrote:Nice way to start for the M's. Unfortunately there are 159 games left, and historically we have seen this before.


    We have?


    once in 20 years... but statistically yes, we have seen this before.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:09 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    CPHawk wrote:
    Largent80 wrote:Nice way to start for the M's. Unfortunately there are 159 games left, and historically we have seen this before.


    We have?


    once in 20 years... but statistically yes, we have seen this before.


    To me at least, this feels much different then what we have seem in seasons past. Usually we see a run like this when we are 20 games under .500. Which to me, felt like the other teams looked past the mariners, and didn't play as well as they could. This is the first series, and we got a sweep?! Last year we were the last team to sweep a series, there was an actual fear Seattle might not sweep anyone all year.

    I'm not ready to say AL west champs, but I feel like we should finish over .500 and still be competing for the title late in the year.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:21 am
  • Nothing is more funny than people jumping on message boards (not on here, but elsewhere), calling in on the radio etc. telling people "it's still early" or "it's only 3 games" or "don't get ahead of yourself" blah blah blah.
    Put on some damn big boy pants and and enjoy something for once! Geez.
    Gotta' love what we are seeing so far, sure they are a young team and will have some slumps, but I was thinking 78 wins on the season, feeling real confident in that. In fact, wouldn't be surprised if they win 82-84 games.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:24 am
  • agree CP.. there certainly is a different confidence about the group so far. I also feel like McLendon's presence may be overlooked a bit here. He certainly is a different personality than what weve seen in the dugout over the last 8 years.

    I mean its baseball, a sport where the best hitters FAIL 75% of the time and make 20 million a year. The Ms will lose games. There will be stretches where they lose 3-4 games in a row. Smoak will have an 0-8 streak. Paxson will get hit hard, so will Felix. When you play 162 times bad things are going to happen.

    But, for a start, this is what the Ms look like when everything they have been building for over the last 4-5 years comes together at the same time. Why not enjoy it?
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:56 am
  • Exactly, enjoy it.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:13 am

Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:28 am
  • I love baseball. Thru thick and thin (and man there has been a lot of thin) I will always be there for the M's.
    Nice to see that the young guys that came thru the system are finally starting to get it etc.
    It always makes for a much easier transition back to football, when the M's are good.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:52 am
  • I'm a big mariners fan and happy so far. I Love what he has done this season but. Every ball smoak has hit this year is a fastball. He is a real copy of cerano from major league. Feed the guy a curve and he misses. Has any one else seen this? Go M's
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:41 am
  • Carano was funny, especially his pre-game rituals.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:20 pm
  • Here is why I am excited about the Mariners. Even with average luck, they are an 82 win team (Pecota projections). However, those projections assume guys like Ackley, Smoak, Paxton, Ramirez, etc will not be very good players this season. I know it's just been three games, but those four players all have the talent to be stars and so far this season they have looked like it. If Ackley and Smoak finish the year with something very good yet attainable like a 130 OPS+ and the pitchers continue to get results that match their stuff, that's going to tack on 10-12 wins over that 82 win projection. And that's not even counting Walker, who has it in him to be a 4 win pitcher over 5 months if he stays healthy.

    There's going to be some regression from certain guys (Iwakuma probably won't have back to back career years). And we'll need Hart to hit roughly as well as Morales did last year, when he was the M's best pure hitter that season. Still, the Mariners underachieved by a whopping 7 wins last season (Pecota had them for 78, the M's won 71 instead) so there isn't a lot of area you look at for regression. Long story short, the over-achieve / under-achieve arrow is pointing way, way up for a team that it usually points down for. And this is for a projected 82 win team that only needed to over-achieve a moderate amount to contend seriously for the playoffs.

    Statistical analysis aside, I just really like the way the players have looked. The Mariners have had a ton of good at bats, even willing to take strike three called if it means walking more on other opportunities. And the Mariners have drawn a lot of walks. They've forced pitch counts up, they've hit for a ton of power, they are hitting line drives and they are looking disciplined at the plate. Even a guy like Almonte who seems kinda off in some aspects of his game just has the nicest at bats. Almonte looks like the guy Chone Figgins should have been.

    I think Paxton is very exciting, he can hit 97 MPH as a starting pitcher and has a very effective changeup. His last four major league starts have been sensational. Ramirez is a guy smart baseball analysts love but struggled through injuries last year. When healthy though, he has the stuff of an upper end #2 pitcher. And he's a guy that could be our #5 pitcher a month from now when Walker and 'Kuma come back.

    I know it's just 3 games, but the Mariners look TALENTED as hell all of a sudden. The lineup lacks an easy out, our rotation has a real chance to be the best in baseball (it is already without a doubt the most talented, barring injury Seattle's rotation is a very good bet to lead the AL in strikeouts), really my only worry is injuries and defense.

    Granted, the blowout wins had a little bit of luck involved (insane efficiency with two outs), but the talent is self evident. Seattle could probably contend for the playoffs with two "pleasant surprises" from the young guys. And the way this season has started, it looks like getting at least two of them shouldn't be too hard.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:53 pm
  • Im bored.

    How many batters does Elias strike out? 7

    How many innings does Elias pitch? 6

    How many doubles? 3

    Who hits more? Smoak, Cano or Miller? Miller

    How many homers? 3

    BTW; who is Eric Wedge?
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:17 pm
  • You know for the first time in a long time. im telling my friends I can't wait too see what the ms do tonight. It feels really strange but I like it.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:54 pm
  • Been a while since I've looked forward to baseball games this much. I know it probably won't last, but gosh darn it I'm going to enjoy it while it's here.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:10 pm
  • Oakland's defense doing their best imitation of a little league team on the first play of the game.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:22 pm
  • Almonte is a beast. MVP so far of this game. Ichirowho?
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:23 pm
  • JZ#1 wrote:Almonte is a beast. MVP so far of this game. Ichirowho?


    Whoops...
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:24 pm
  • Gah I totally just cursed him.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:39 pm
  • im sorry but that ump needs an additude check. how in the blue hell do u watch that ball go down the middle and freeking call ball.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:47 pm
  • wilhelmsen is drunk again
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:33 pm
  • The homeplate umpire is killing us tonight.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:41 pm
  • This is one of the weirdest games I've seen in a while. Never seen a homeplate umpire perform this poorly, too. I wonder if he knows he's having a bad night?
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:58 pm
  • I have no idea if he knows how bad he's doing but everybody else certainly does. He's trending on Twitter right now, and as an umpire that's never a good thing.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:12 pm
  • But but but... he can't get shown-up or challenged. That would hurt the game if the umpires were held accountable for their inconsistencies.

    I watched the A's local broadcasters and they were just guessing to see if stuff would get called a strike/ball based on this ump.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:20 pm
  • Wilhelmsen and Noesi need to go now! And that ump needs to go back to calling high school games.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:22 pm
  • Awful job by Noesi and Wilhelemsen.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:05 am
  • That was one of the most inconsistent call of a game I have ever seen. Not only did it break up Elias no hitter, it also cost us the game. :smilie=angry016.gif:
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:24 am
  • 86Hawk wrote:That was one of the most inconsistent call of a game I have ever seen. Not only did it break up Elias no hitter, it also cost us the game. :smilie=angry016.gif:

    That strike zone was so poor and not even consistently poor, just all over the map....one of the worst umped games I've ever seen. We can't blame the loss on it, since the poorly called balls and strikes went both ways, but WOW. I knew the game was over when they put Noesi in, I felt like McClendon just wanted to go home and/or to show Jack that it's time to admit the Pineda trade sucked.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:06 am
  • How did Elias look? I did not get to see the game or even listen to it. the box score looked pretty damn good for a first start, does this kid have the goods? Is he a flame thrower or more finesse? Another good lefty makes this rotation pretty damn impressive.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:42 am
  • m0ng0 wrote:How did Elias look? I did not get to see the game or even listen to it. the box score looked pretty damn good for a first start, does this kid have the goods? Is he a flame thrower or more finesse? Another good lefty makes this rotation pretty damn impressive.


    Umpire makes a bad call in the fifth or else Elias gets through five innings with a no-hitter. So, I thought that he did well. He could work on his control I guess but he was getting squeezed pretty hard as far as through strike zone goes.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:49 am
  • m0ng0 wrote:How did Elias look? I did not get to see the game or even listen to it. the box score looked pretty damn good for a first start, does this kid have the goods? Is he a flame thrower or more finesse? Another good lefty makes this rotation pretty damn impressive.


    He (Elias) has a strange throwing method. His ball comes down from up high and acrossed the plate. At least I thought so. Many of his pitches should have been strikes.

    He does need alot of work. He was in trouble with alot of guys 3 and 2 seemingly all night. Look like a keeper though. zNot a bad first effort.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:07 am
  • Atradees wrote:
    m0ng0 wrote:How did Elias look? I did not get to see the game or even listen to it. the box score looked pretty damn good for a first start, does this kid have the goods? Is he a flame thrower or more finesse? Another good lefty makes this rotation pretty damn impressive.


    He (Elias) has a strange throwing method. His ball comes down from up high and acrossed the plate. At least I thought so. Many of his pitches should have been strikes.

    He does need alot of work. He was in trouble with alot of guys 3 and 2 seemingly all night. Look like a keeper though. zNot a bad first effort.


    Somebody was saying he can throw from 5 different arm angles, sounds like he should get more polished as the year goes on. What a refreshing stroke of luck if we landed a second solid lefty
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:59 pm

Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:50 pm
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:This could be the worst ump of all time. Are you fricken kidding me?
    http://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/assets/4239347/strike3.gif



    The human element! /wank

    I don't know why some people insist that they keep letting these incompetent fools ruin games when we have the technology to fix it. How many years have we had the K-zone now? Just have another ump who does nothing but watch the k-zone make the balls and strikes calls. Imagine how much more relaxing baseball could be if we weren't constantly pissed off at horrible ball/strike calls.

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    And just for fun lets not forget this one from last year when Morse K'd to end the game with Rivera pitching. No wonder the guy got so many saves getting calls like this one.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:50 pm
  • Double post sorry.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:58 pm
  • I didn't mean to post that twice, I was trying to edit it to add the rest. It never lets me delete posts here, once a Mod said that you can't delete them when new posts have been made but nobody else posted.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:47 pm
  • Honestly, yesterday was the game that finally convinced me that having a human call balls and strikes makes no Goddamn sense. I've been pretty ambivalent about having automated strike zones up until now, because USUALLY umps do a reasonable enough job, and I like the fact that good defensive catchers can help their pitchers get borderline calls. Knowing an ump's strike zone also can add an interesting element of variability to a game which can feel redundant and repetitive.

    That said, I had also never seen an umpire so wildly inconsistent and frankly incompetent as last night. I feel bad for him, because I'm sure he's going to hear it from his superiors as it was his debut, and I'm sure he's been wanting that opportunity for years. Still, in a game that was otherwise closely-contested, a series of AWFUL calls clearly swung the game to the A's. It was extreme enough to disrupt the game, to create incredible uncertainty about what would be called a ball or a strike, and IMO ruin the experience. No excuse for it in this day and age.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:56 pm
  • jkitsune wrote:Honestly, yesterday was the game that finally convinced me that having a human call balls and strikes makes no Goddamn sense. I've been pretty ambivalent about having automated strike zones up until now, because USUALLY umps do a reasonable enough job, and I like the fact that good defensive catchers can help their pitchers get borderline calls. Knowing an ump's strike zone also can add an interesting element of variability to a game which can feel redundant and repetitive.

    That said, I had also never seen an umpire so wildly inconsistent and frankly incompetent as last night. I feel bad for him, because I'm sure he's going to hear it from his superiors as it was his debut, and I'm sure he's been wanting that opportunity for years. Still, in a game that was otherwise closely-contested, a series of AWFUL calls clearly swung the game to the A's. It was extreme enough to disrupt the game, to create incredible uncertainty about what would be called a ball or a strike, and IMO ruin the experience. No excuse for it in this day and age.


    For the full extent of the umps tough night go to lookout landing.

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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:35 pm
  • Yes, Noesi is finally gone. How did he even make the final roster?
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:25 pm
  • Good. McC makes a swift decision. Young is a big righty. Caint wait to see what hes got.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:35 pm
  • How's does the Oakland grounds crew not put the tarp on the field? Stupid rain cancellations.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:06 pm
  • Not surprised a Bay Area's teams groundscrew screwed the pooch. That stadium is a dumpster fire.
    As for Noesi being DFa'ed quickly, kudos at Lloyd and Jack for making that mistake go away.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:42 am
  • Blitzer88 wrote:How's does the Oakland grounds crew not put the tarp on the field? Stupid rain cancellations.

    They were too busy cleaning raw sewage out of the dugouts & locker rooms.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:41 am
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Nothing is more funny than people jumping on message boards (not on here, but elsewhere), calling in on the radio etc. telling people "it's still early" or "it's only 3 games" or "don't get ahead of yourself" blah blah blah.
    Put on some damn big boy pants and and enjoy something for once! Geez.
    Gotta' love what we are seeing so far, sure they are a young team and will have some slumps, but I was thinking 78 wins on the season, feeling real confident in that. In fact, wouldn't be surprised if they win 82-84 games.

    82-84 wins would be real nice. It would mean they're relevant most the season which is good enough for me.
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Re: 2014 Seattle Mariners
Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:11 pm
  • Lets go Felix!
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