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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Tue May 09, 2017 10:13 am
  • chris98251 wrote:Equity, how much do they have to split with the Lakers there? Nobody in LA as a basketball team is going to supplant the Lakers as the darling, they may not be good at the moment but the legacy there indicates they will make a move to secure a league franchise player to build around, Chamberlin, Jabbar, O Neil, Divac, if they can't draft one they will trade for one and sell the farm short term, have always done it.

    In Seattle Ballmer would be two things, the savior that brought the NBA back to Seattle, if he changes the name back to the Sonics it will be a double bonus. After all the Clippers started off as the Buffalo .

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    In 1978, Braves owner John Y. Brown, Jr. swapped franchises with then-Boston Celtics owner Irv Levin, who then moved the team to San Diego, where it was renamed the San Diego Clippers. The franchise moved to Los Angeles in 1984, and is now known as the Los Angeles Clippers.


    The Clippers are currently the #6 most valuable team in the NBA, and it ain't from being awesome. It's SOLELY due to being in the LA market with that huge TV and merchandise revenue.

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    Now maybe Ballmer doesn't care, and is tired of being the red headed step child to the Lakers year after year, and would love to bring a team to Seattle.

    But if we're just purely talking numbers and overall team valuation? Then moving a team out of LA to Seattle would mean a drop in value.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Tue May 09, 2017 10:59 am
  • Yeah, even if ballmer wanted to move to Seattle the oeague would block it for commercial reasons. Only way i could see around that is if they awarded an LA expansion team.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Tue May 09, 2017 1:25 pm
  • L.A. didn't want the Clippers, they forced their way in if memory is correct, Lakers sure didn't want them there, NBA well before the Sonics were stolen maybe, now with a open wound in Seattle and a growing market and a new arena coming in one way shape or form they may not balk at it, they really want the Seattle issue to go away.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Fri May 12, 2017 8:54 am
  • Why do arena proponents talk about the NHL?
    The Seattle Thunderbirds are in the WHL FINALS, and they didn't sell out game 4 at home.
    Where will you find 20k fans once we get a team?
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Fri May 12, 2017 9:42 am
  • ZorntoLargent wrote:Why do arena proponents talk about the NHL?
    The Seattle Thunderbirds are in the WHL FINALS, and they didn't sell out game 4 at home.
    Where will you find 20k fans once we get a team?

    That's not a fair comparison. Major league pro sports are a much different draw. That's like saying Seattle doesn't have enough NBA fans to support a team because the Storm has never sold out the Key Arena.They have won 2 championships and been one of the best teams for many years and don't sell out their venue either...

    If a Pro hockey team came here they would do just fine, especially if they win.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Fri May 12, 2017 9:56 am
  • DJrmb wrote:
    ZorntoLargent wrote:Why do arena proponents talk about the NHL?
    The Seattle Thunderbirds are in the WHL FINALS, and they didn't sell out game 4 at home.
    Where will you find 20k fans once we get a team?

    That's not a fair comparison. Major league pro sports are a much different draw. That's like saying Seattle doesn't have enough NBA fans to support a team because the Storm has never sold out the Key Arena.They have won 2 championships and been one of the best teams for many years and don't sell out their venue either...

    If a Pro hockey team came here they would do just fine, especially if they win.


    The best amateur hockey players in the country vs. women's basketball???
    YOU made the bad comparison.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Fri May 12, 2017 10:36 am
  • ZorntoLargent wrote:Why do arena proponents talk about the NHL?
    The Seattle Thunderbirds are in the WHL FINALS, and they didn't sell out game 4 at home.
    Where will you find 20k fans once we get a team?


    Why don't the Rainers sell more than 2k tickets a game? Why don't the S2 Sounders club sell more than 500 tickets a match?

    Terrible example, the NHL in Seattle would explode with interest.......especially in a brand new arena. Seattle is one of the biggest metropolitan markets in the country with transplants from Canada, the midwest and backeast that'd go nuts for pro hockey. Along with thousands of corporations and businesses looking to buy suites and seats for a pro winter sport.

    No top 20 market should have ZERO pro teams in the winter, either/or the NBA or NHL would fill that interest void.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Fri May 12, 2017 10:43 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    ZorntoLargent wrote:Why do arena proponents talk about the NHL?
    The Seattle Thunderbirds are in the WHL FINALS, and they didn't sell out game 4 at home.
    Where will you find 20k fans once we get a team?


    Why don't the Rainers sell more than 2k tickets a game? Why don't the S2 Sounders club sell more than 500 tickets a match?

    Terrible example, the NHL in Seattle would explode with interest.......especially in a brand new arena. Seattle is one of the biggest metropolitan markets in the country with transplants from Canada, the midwest and backeast that'd go nuts for pro hockey. Along with thousands of corporations and businesses looking to buy suites and seats for a pro winter sport.

    No top 20 market should have ZERO pro teams in the winter, either/or the NBA or NHL would fill that interest void.


    The Rainiers never played for a championship. When were the Rainiers playing in the World Series of minor league baseball?
    The Thunderbirds have made it to the Finals 2 years in a row.
    You either like hockey or don't. No fans means Seattle doesn't love hockey.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Fri May 12, 2017 10:49 am
  • ZorntoLargent wrote:
    DJrmb wrote:
    ZorntoLargent wrote:Why do arena proponents talk about the NHL?
    The Seattle Thunderbirds are in the WHL FINALS, and they didn't sell out game 4 at home.
    Where will you find 20k fans once we get a team?

    That's not a fair comparison. Major league pro sports are a much different draw. That's like saying Seattle doesn't have enough NBA fans to support a team because the Storm has never sold out the Key Arena.They have won 2 championships and been one of the best teams for many years and don't sell out their venue either...

    If a Pro hockey team came here they would do just fine, especially if they win.


    The best amateur hockey players in the country vs. women's basketball???
    YOU made the bad comparison.

    That's YOUR opinion that you're certainly welcome to but I doubt it's the popular one. I would go to a Storm game well before I ever attended a Thunderbirds game... And, I would attend a Pro hockey game before either of the two.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Fri May 12, 2017 10:55 am
  • ZorntoLargent wrote:
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    ZorntoLargent wrote:Why do arena proponents talk about the NHL?
    The Seattle Thunderbirds are in the WHL FINALS, and they didn't sell out game 4 at home.
    Where will you find 20k fans once we get a team?


    Why don't the Rainers sell more than 2k tickets a game? Why don't the S2 Sounders club sell more than 500 tickets a match?

    Terrible example, the NHL in Seattle would explode with interest.......especially in a brand new arena. Seattle is one of the biggest metropolitan markets in the country with transplants from Canada, the midwest and backeast that'd go nuts for pro hockey. Along with thousands of corporations and businesses looking to buy suites and seats for a pro winter sport.

    No top 20 market should have ZERO pro teams in the winter, either/or the NBA or NHL would fill that interest void.


    The Rainiers never played for a championship. When were the Rainiers playing in the World Series of minor league baseball?
    The Thunderbirds have made it to the Finals 2 years in a row.
    You either like hockey or don't. No fans means Seattle doesn't love hockey.


    Rainers won the league championship in 2001 and 2010, conference champs 2010 and league champs as recently as last year. Still dead last in attendance in 2010.

    http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.js ... 2&sid=l112

    Your example is flat out ridiculous. Seattle would be a great hockey town.
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Mon May 15, 2017 8:49 am
  • ZorntoLargent wrote:Why do arena proponents talk about the NHL?
    The Seattle Thunderbirds are in the WHL FINALS, and they didn't sell out game 4 at home.
    Where will you find 20k fans once we get a team?



    Sorry ZorntoLargent, have to disagree. The NHL would kill here, it would be big time. :2thumbs:
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Mon May 15, 2017 8:57 am


  • Really Murray? LOL
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Re: Sonics/NHL/New arena thread
Mon May 15, 2017 12:02 pm
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    Really Murray? LOL
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    Politician be politician'ing.

    McGinn and a couple of the council members aside, if we've learned one thing from this entire arena saga, it's that our elected officials don't watch sports, don't care about sports..........and certainly don't give a rat's ass about a minor league hockey cup.
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