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Re: US Mens Soccer
Tue May 29, 2018 10:15 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:Other than Pulisic looking like he couldn't wait for his off season to start, first match couldn't have gone any better.

    Some great young players to get excited about. Loved the energy.



    Wasnt bad...

    now get all those kids back to their host clubs so they can keep getting better.


    They beat a team they should have beat 3-0, that's great. Because if these young kids stumbled against a poor opponent like Bolivia? We'd be hitting the panic button today.

    I agree though, get em back to their clubs.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Tue May 29, 2018 11:57 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:Other than Pulisic looking like he couldn't wait for his off season to start, first match couldn't have gone any better.

    Some great young players to get excited about. Loved the energy.



    Wasnt bad...

    now get all those kids back to their host clubs so they can keep getting better.


    They beat a team they should have beat 3-0, that's great. Because if these young kids stumbled against a poor opponent like Bolivia? We'd be hitting the panic button today.

    I agree though, get em back to their clubs.



    Would we?

    I mean I couldve cared less really. Many of these kids won't be a part of this cycle. There is still no coach, little direction and no real implications at the moment.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Tue May 29, 2018 1:06 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:Other than Pulisic looking like he couldn't wait for his off season to start, first match couldn't have gone any better.

    Some great young players to get excited about. Loved the energy.



    Wasnt bad...

    now get all those kids back to their host clubs so they can keep getting better.


    They beat a team they should have beat 3-0, that's great. Because if these young kids stumbled against a poor opponent like Bolivia? We'd be hitting the panic button today.

    I agree though, get em back to their clubs.



    Would we?

    I mean I couldve cared less really. Many of these kids won't be a part of this cycle. There is still no coach, little direction and no real implications at the moment.


    Yes I'd say losing to the 57th ranked country in the first match back from trying to fix the disaster of what's been going on for the past year would be cause for panic.

    All you'd read today about the match is "Is this rock bottom for the USMNT?"
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Wed May 30, 2018 9:55 am
  • Rock bottom was not making the World Cup. There is nothing between now and the next cycle that will measure to that. Losing to Bolivia in a friendly full of teenagers who play in Europe is not going to last 12 hours on a sports page.

    Noone paying attention was interested in the game the other night outside watching promising young players get a run out. Win or lose, it would've been about assessing them as individuals, not the team as a whole.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:52 pm
  • Sounds like the hiring of Columbus Crew manager Gregg Berhalter as the new coach of the USMNT is all but a done deal.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:02 pm
  • SeatownJay wrote:Sounds like the hiring of Columbus Crew manager Gregg Berhalter as the new coach of the USMNT is all but a done deal.



    Couldnt do better if they want an American..

    But there are plenty better options out there on the international stage.

    Im tepid on it. If he was replacing Klinsmann after a World Cup, i'd be excited to see one of our own promoted. But after the unmitigated disaster if the last cycle plus the seeming lack of direction as the program as a whole, I hope this isnt too much for Berhalter.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:17 pm
  • Here's a look at Berhalter's first USMNT roster with players from Europe for the March camp & friendlies vs. Chile and Ecuador.

    GOALKEEPERS (3): Ethan Horvath (Club Brugge, BEL; 3/0), Sean Johnson (New York City FC; 6/0), Zack Steffen (Columbus Crew SC; 8/0)
    DEFENDERS (8): John Brooks (Wolfsburg, GER; 36/3), Omar Gonzalez (Atlas, MEX; 48/3), Nick Lima (San Jose Earthquakes; 2/0), Aaron Long (New York Red Bulls; 4/0), Daniel Lovitz (Montreal Impact; 2/0), Matt Miazga (Reading, ENG; 11/1), Tim Ream (Fulham, ENG; 26/1), DeAndre Yedlin (Newcastle United, ENG; 57/0)
    MIDFIELDERS (7): Tyler Adams (RB Leipzig, GER; 9/1), Michael Bradley (Toronto FC, CAN; 143/17), Sebastian Lletget (LA Galaxy; 7/2), Weston McKennie (Schalke, GER; 7/1), Christian Pulisic (Borussia Dortmund, GER; 23/9), Cristian Roldan (Seattle Sounders FC; 7/0), Wil Trapp (Columbus Crew SC; 13/0)
    FORWARDS (6): Paul Arriola (D.C. United; 19/3), Corey Baird (Real Salt Lake; 2/0), Jonathan Lewis (New York City FC; 2/0), Jordan Morris (Seattle Sounders FC; 25/5), Christian Ramirez (LAFC; 2/1), Gyasi Zardes (Columbus Crew SC; 42/6)
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:23 pm
  • Decent roster...

    Particularly like the wide players in the back and mid. Mckinnie has a bright future in the center.

    Forward group is weak though. Hopefully weah and zelalem come good in 2 years.

    Good for Morris as well... could be a big factor in qualifying
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:58 am
  • Some news on the youngsters. Here is the roster that Tab Ramos has called in for the U20s in their final training camp before the U20 World Cup this Summer.

    U.S. U-20 MNT Roster by Position (Club or College; Hometown; Caps/Goals)
    GOALKEEPERS (2): C.J. Dos Santos (Benfica/POR; Philadelphia, Pa.; 1/0), Trey Muse (Seattle Sounders FC; Louisville, Ky.; 0/0)

    DEFENDERS (6): Sergino Dest (Ajax/NED; Almere-Stad, Netherlands; 6/1), Chris Gloster (Hannover 96/GER; South Orange, N.J.; 9/0), Aboubacar Keita (Columbus Crew SC; Columbus, Ohio; 0/0), Jaylin Lindsey (Sporting Kansas City; Charlotte, N.C.; 5/0), Matthew Real (Philadelphia Union; Drexel Hill, Pa.; 8/0), Chris Richards (Bayern Munich/GER; Hoover, Ala.; 6/0)

    MIDFIELDERS (6): Frankie Amaya (FC Cincinnati; Santa Ana, Calif.; 11/1), Christian Cappis (Hobro/DEN; Katy, Texas; 2/0); Andrew Carleton (Atlanta United FC; Powder Springs, Ga.; 5/2), , Chris Durkin (D.C. United; Glen Allen, Va.; 0/0), Alex Mendez (Freiburg/GER; Los Angeles, Calif.; 13/8), Juan Pablo Torres (New York City FC; Lilburn, Ga.; 10/4)
    FORWARDS (6): Ayo Akinola (Toronto FC/CAN; Detroit, Mich.; 10/9), Jonathan Amon (Nordsjaelland/DEN; Summerville, S.C.; 0/0), Konrad de la Fuente (Barcelona/ESP; Barcelona, Spain; 0/0), Ulysses Llanez (Unattached; Lynwood, Calif.; 9/7), Justin Rennicks (New England Revolution; Hamilton, Mass.; 12/6), Sebastian Soto (Hannover 96/GER; San Diego, Calif.; 3/2)
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:13 pm
  • And for those wondering why players like Tim Weah, Josh Sargent, and Cameron Carter-Vickers weren't called up to the senior team, they're part of the U-23 camp as USSoccer has committed to make qualifying for the 2020 Olympics a priority.

    Here is the full U-23 roster for the March camp.

    GOALKEEPERS (2): Jonathan Klinsmann (Hertha BSC/GER; Newport Beach, Calif.), JT Marcinkowski (San Jose Earthquakes; Alamo, Calif.)
    DEFENDERS (9): Julian Araujo (LA Galaxy; Lompac, Calif.), Cameron Carter-Vickers (Swansea City/WAL; Southend-on-Sea, England), Marco Farfan (Portland Timbers; Portland, Ore.), Jack Maher (Indiana; Caseyville, Ill.), Matthew Olosunde (Manchester United/ENG; Trenton, N.J.), Donovan Pines (D.C. United; Clarksville, Md.), Lucas Pos (FC Lausanne-Sport/SUI; Irvine, Calif.), Antonee Robinson (Wigan Athletic/ENG; Milton Keyes, England), Miles Robinson (Atlanta United FC; Arlington, Mass.)
    MIDFIELDERS (6): Derrick Jones (Philadelphia Union; Philadelphia, Penn.), Cameron Lindley (Orlando City SC; Carmel, Ind.), Djordje Mihailovic (Chicago Fire; Lemont, Ill.), Keaton Parks (New York City FC; Plano, Texas), Eryk Williamson (Portland Timbers; Alexandria, Va.), Jackson Yueill (San Jose Earthquakes; St. Paul, Minn.)
    FORWARDS (6): Jeremy Ebobisse (Portland Timbers; Bethesda, Md.), Josh Perez (LAFC; La Habra, Calif.), Emmanuel Sabbi (Hobro IK/DEN; Columbus, Ohio), Josh Sargent (Werder Bremen/GER; O'Fallon, MO), Tim Weah (Celtic FC/SCO; Rosedale, N.Y.), Haji Wright (Schalke/GER; Los Angeles, Calif.)
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:27 pm
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:48 pm
  • Not a good camp health-wise. McKinnie will miss 6-8 weeks with an ankle injury and Pulisic is out 3-4 weeks with a quad injury. Hopefully both are 100% for the Gold Cup this Summer.

    And in other USMNT news, the groups were drawn for the inaugural CONCACAF Nations League this Fall. The US is in Goup A with Canada and Cuba.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:23 am
  • Back to back losses to Jamaica and Venezuela.

    I get that these are "just" friendlies, but yikes.

    At this point I won't be surprised if they don't get 6 points out of their first 2 Gold Cup matches against Guyana and Trinidad and Tobago, and then lose to Panama.

    He is far from the only issue, but I don't want to see Steffen in goal for this team again anytime soon.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:50 am
  • Chapow wrote:Back to back losses to Jamaica and Venezuela.

    I get that these are "just" friendlies, but yikes.

    At this point I won't be surprised if they don't get 6 points out of their first 2 Gold Cup matches against Guyana and Trinidad and Tobago, and then lose to Panama.

    He is far from the only issue, but I don't want to see Steffen in goal for this team again anytime soon.


    This young version of the US squad is like an MLS club, it's not good enough yet to sustain key major players missing and still be competitive.

    Honestly, the US squad has always been this way, for it to be competitive it needs ALL it's good players available and in form. Death, taxes and US Soccer has depth issues.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:45 pm
  • they had a very good 2nd half against a capable Venezuela side. Moved the ball into attacking positions, had strong and creative patterns to goal, just could not finish (almost comically so)

    1st half was very naive. All 3 goals were very preventable and rested on the shoulders of individual players making mistakes against top tier players they were not used to playing against (Rondon is a high level striker and took advantage of young players).

    So.. this version, as mentioned, needs seasoning, and is getting it. Which is fine. I do think some players need to be hooked sooner. Thought McKinnie was solid yesterday but Trapp needed off. Yueill was sent home after the first friendly but would have been a perfect ball playing replacement in the game.

    There is plenty of depth though.. this is far different. What it needs is experience. I know that's splitting hairs in some ways, but I think its much different this time around. There is a bevy of young talent in the pool, unlike any of the previous cycles. However, the players need the games. Hopefully a deep run in the Gold Cup gives us that... although I didnt like some of the youth being left off the roster.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:06 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:they had a very good 2nd half against a capable Venezuela side. Moved the ball into attacking positions, had strong and creative patterns to goal, just could not finish (almost comically so)

    1st half was very naive. All 3 goals were very preventable and rested on the shoulders of individual players making mistakes against top tier players they were not used to playing against (Rondon is a high level striker and took advantage of young players).

    So.. this version, as mentioned, needs seasoning, and is getting it. Which is fine. I do think some players need to be hooked sooner. Thought McKinnie was solid yesterday but Trapp needed off. Yueill was sent home after the first friendly but would have been a perfect ball playing replacement in the game.

    There is plenty of depth though.. this is far different. What it needs is experience. I know that's splitting hairs in some ways, but I think its much different this time around. There is a bevy of young talent in the pool, unlike any of the previous cycles. However, the players need the games. Hopefully a deep run in the Gold Cup gives us that... although I didnt like some of the youth being left off the roster.


    Definitely, and I don't mean to disparage the talented roster the US is starting to put together, but it is very young, and does lack the experience and depth needed to go toe to toe with the more experienced CONCACAF countries, even in friendlies.

    Right now we do need guys like Pulisic, Weah, Sargent, Yedlin, Adams and even some experience like Altidore and Bradley for depth to bring on late if needed.

    But that's fine, these are the matches we want some of these younger players playing in, to gain experience and give Berhalter a chance to put together the best roster possible come WC qualifying.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:29 pm
  • Weah and Sargent are U20 players. And that's where i think we are at (saying the same thing from a different angle). The US is very deep in talent, shallow in experience. Even Pulisic has only gone through half a cycle of international football.

    So, it's both exciting and frustrating
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:42 pm
  • Hopefully they can at least avoid getting reverse-US Womens'd.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:52 am
  • Threedee wrote:Hopefully they can at least avoid getting reverse-US Womens'd.


    My 2005 academy team couldve been more competitive than Thailand was in that game.

    This is a strange time for men's soccer. Will be interesting how they navigate the next year.

    Id like to see Teal Bunbury from NWE brought into the fold as they try out new 9s.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:40 am
  • Threedee wrote:Hopefully they can at least avoid getting reverse-US Womens'd.


    I honestly had no problem with what the US Women did.

    The World Cup is the pinnacle of soccer, for both men and women............so to be criticized for excessive celebration for scoring goals, of which is every man and woman's dream since they started playing soccer at a very young age is tone deaf to me.

    btw, absolutely no one on Thailand's team said anything negative, in fact the goalie said it was the greatest moment of her career after the game when Carli Lloyd came over to offer her encouragement.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-world- ... lloyd-did/

    Do we get mad when NFL teams run up the score? Do we expect MLB teams to stop scoring runs once they're up 10 runs?

    The World Cup is professional soccer, and btw every other team in our group is also playing Thailand, we need all the goals we can get to get the best seeding going into the knockout round.

    People who are criticizing don't understand the sport is all I can think.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:16 am
  • U.S. Womens soccer is so much better. Why watch the dreadful mess of the men's team?...Hell I have a hard time watching any soccer but good lord it's hard to understand how the USA can't put together a good mens team.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:26 am
  • Largent80 wrote:U.S. Womens soccer is so much better. Why watch the dreadful mess of the men's team?...Hell I have a hard time watching any soccer but good lord it's hard to understand how the USA can't put together a good mens team.


    Title 9 was instituted in the United States in 1972, that's how big of an advantage our women have had over most of the rest of the world for decades in developing our women's sports programs, including soccer. Our women are light years ahead.

    The men are still trying to develop and catch up to other regions of the world who have had successful programs, developmental systems and superior leagues to develop their players in place for far longer than us.........and we're still struggling to find our way in an insanely competitive men's soccer environment globally.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:11 pm
  • Women rule the world. There should be a womens NFL.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:33 pm
  • I haven't been following the USMNT lately, so I've got a bit of a random question.

    Was it a mistake to fire Jurgen? He obviously had his issues and didn't bring the style of play he promised, but the teams decline was obviously not his fault. It seems to me we were at the tail end of our golden generation and most people didn't realize or want to admit it was a golden generation. Dempsey, Landon (although Jurgen rarely used him), Howard, Jones, Bradley were all in their prime and performed well against high-level competition. As they declined, the team declines, and Jurgen did whatever he could to get young guys more opportunities and challenged them to get better, he failed largely due to a pretty average talent pool.

    Right now we have what Pulisic, Yedlin, Brooks in their prime and a whole bunch of young guys with potential? Is it really a surprise this team is struggling lately or failed to make the WC?
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:35 pm
  • Two things: no... not a mistake to fire Klinsmann. He had a great understanding of how to organize the program but was a fairly mediocre coach when the ball kicked off. The mistake was both the timing and then the replacement. It was recycled waste and uninspiring.

    The men's team is not currently in qualifying. They are using the gold cup to bring along more young players... of which they have a lot. They are pretty deep in names for the back line but we are not seeing those players at the moment.

    When the team is finally assembled they won't struggle too much with qualifying. I do with about their midfield. However, by the time the real games come along many of the .candidates will be fully engaged with big time clubs so that should help
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:38 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Largent80 wrote:U.S. Womens soccer is so much better. Why watch the dreadful mess of the men's team?...Hell I have a hard time watching any soccer but good lord it's hard to understand how the USA can't put together a good mens team.


    Title 9 was instituted in the United States in 1972, that's how big of an advantage our women have had over most of the rest of the world for decades in developing our women's sports programs, including soccer. Our women are light years ahead.

    The men are still trying to develop and catch up to other regions of the world who have had successful programs, developmental systems and superior leagues to develop their players in place for far longer than us.........and we're still struggling to find our way in an insanely competitive men's soccer environment globally.


    Id also disagree that the men are terrible. I mean 7 nations have ever wona world cup, and only 5 more than once. It's an extremely competitive field. The us are right on the outside of that.

    They shit the bed last cycle but that is a very rare thing. They quite typically qualify and advance to the knockouts. Again, not great, but not terrible.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:02 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Threedee wrote:Hopefully they can at least avoid getting reverse-US Womens'd.


    I honestly had no problem with what the US Women did.

    The World Cup is the pinnacle of soccer, for both men and women............so to be criticized for excessive celebration for scoring goals, of which is every man and woman's dream since they started playing soccer at a very young age is tone deaf to me.

    btw, absolutely no one on Thailand's team said anything negative, in fact the goalie said it was the greatest moment of her career after the game when Carli Lloyd came over to offer her encouragement.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-world- ... lloyd-did/

    Do we get mad when NFL teams run up the score? Do we expect MLB teams to stop scoring runs once they're up 10 runs?

    The World Cup is professional soccer, and btw every other team in our group is also playing Thailand, we need all the goals we can get to get the best seeding going into the knockout round.

    People who are criticizing don't understand the sport is all I can think.


    Yeah, I have no problem with what our ladies did. Watching them crush opponents is a lot of fun. Have to admit that despite being a classless mess, I miss seeing Hope Solo defend the goal.

    No, I literally meant it would suck if the men lost 13-0. They do suck, after all.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:05 pm
  • Another thing I want to see happen in soccer: A hat trick of own goals. While it would be traumatizing to the victim, it would be pretty epic.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:37 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:
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    Largent80 wrote:U.S. Womens soccer is so much better. Why watch the dreadful mess of the men's team?...Hell I have a hard time watching any soccer but good lord it's hard to understand how the USA can't put together a good mens team.


    Title 9 was instituted in the United States in 1972, that's how big of an advantage our women have had over most of the rest of the world for decades in developing our women's sports programs, including soccer. Our women are light years ahead.

    The men are still trying to develop and catch up to other regions of the world who have had successful programs, developmental systems and superior leagues to develop their players in place for far longer than us.........and we're still struggling to find our way in an insanely competitive men's soccer environment globally.


    Id also disagree that the men are terrible. I mean 7 nations have ever wona world cup, and only 5 more than once. It's an extremely competitive field. The us are right on the outside of that.

    They shit the bed last cycle but that is a very rare thing. They quite typically qualify and advance to the knockouts. Again, not great, but not terrible.


    Absolutely not terrible, and in the scope of playing well in most of the recent World Cups I'd say we surpassed expectations making it into knockout rounds, and I am optimistic about what's going on with the youth movement in the US Men's program now.

    I think for most non soccer fans like Largent80 who aren't used to seeing the United States not dominate in every sport globally, it's confusing and frustrating...........so they chalk it up as something must be wrong with the program, or we're under performing.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:28 am
  • Threedee wrote:Yeah, I have no problem with what our ladies did. Watching them crush opponents is a lot of fun. Have to admit that despite being a classless mess, I miss seeing Hope Solo defend the goal.


    They didn't even need a goal keeper their first 2 WC games. They literally could've played with an empty net, 10 vs 11, and still easily won both of those games. I expect Sweden to be more competitive, but this USWNT looks extremely strong. I won't be terribly surprised if they curb stomp their way through this tournament fairly comfortably.

    Quick side note, that Chilean goal keeper was absolutely outstanding. She deserves huge props for her performance yesterday.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:19 am
  • Chapow wrote:
    Threedee wrote:Yeah, I have no problem with what our ladies did. Watching them crush opponents is a lot of fun. Have to admit that despite being a classless mess, I miss seeing Hope Solo defend the goal.


    They didn't even need a goal keeper their first 2 WC games. They literally could've played with an empty net, 10 vs 11, and still easily won both of those games. I expect Sweden to be more competitive, but this USWNT looks extremely strong. I won't be terribly surprised if they curb stomp their way through this tournament fairly comfortably.

    Quick side note, that Chilean goal keeper was absolutely outstanding. She deserves huge props for her performance yesterday.


    As strong as I think the US side is, they've had their problems with the top 10 teams, tying both Japan and England in the last six months.........and France is also looking VERY strong in their group matches.

    So I can't buy into the "curb stomp their way through the tournament" statement, but Sweden will be a much better barometer then Thailand or Chili moving into the knockout round.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:35 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Chapow wrote:
    Threedee wrote:Yeah, I have no problem with what our ladies did. Watching them crush opponents is a lot of fun. Have to admit that despite being a classless mess, I miss seeing Hope Solo defend the goal.


    They didn't even need a goal keeper their first 2 WC games. They literally could've played with an empty net, 10 vs 11, and still easily won both of those games. I expect Sweden to be more competitive, but this USWNT looks extremely strong. I won't be terribly surprised if they curb stomp their way through this tournament fairly comfortably.

    Quick side note, that Chilean goal keeper was absolutely outstanding. She deserves huge props for her performance yesterday.


    As strong as I think the US side is, they've had their problems with the top 10 teams, tying both Japan and England in the last six months.........and France is also looking VERY strong in their group matches.

    So I can't buy into the "curb stomp their way through the tournament" statement, but Sweden will be a much better barometer then Thailand or Chili moving into the knockout round.


    For the record, I didn't say I expect them to curb stomp their way through this tournament fairly comfortably. I said I won't be terribly surprised if they do.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:11 am
  • Chapow wrote:
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    Chapow wrote:
    Threedee wrote:Yeah, I have no problem with what our ladies did. Watching them crush opponents is a lot of fun. Have to admit that despite being a classless mess, I miss seeing Hope Solo defend the goal.


    They didn't even need a goal keeper their first 2 WC games. They literally could've played with an empty net, 10 vs 11, and still easily won both of those games. I expect Sweden to be more competitive, but this USWNT looks extremely strong. I won't be terribly surprised if they curb stomp their way through this tournament fairly comfortably.

    Quick side note, that Chilean goal keeper was absolutely outstanding. She deserves huge props for her performance yesterday.


    As strong as I think the US side is, they've had their problems with the top 10 teams, tying both Japan and England in the last six months.........and France is also looking VERY strong in their group matches.

    So I can't buy into the "curb stomp their way through the tournament" statement, but Sweden will be a much better barometer then Thailand or Chili moving into the knockout round.


    For the record, I didn't say I expect them to curb stomp their way through this tournament fairly comfortably. I said I won't be terribly surprised if they do.


    I gotcha, I guess I'm saying I would be surprised.

    So far it's been like the Hawks playing a division 2 college team and a CFL team, destroying them, and now in the knockout rounds they're going to play real NFL teams.

    I fully expect the US to be challenged.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:35 pm
  • There are 5-6 teams in the Women's world cup that can do more than just compete with the US.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:48 pm
  • I LOVE it when the women show the men how it's done.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:22 pm
  • I have absolutely no idea what to expect from the USMNT tonight I wouldn't be surprised if the won 4-0 or lost 2-1.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:46 pm
  • Chapow wrote:
    Threedee wrote:Yeah, I have no problem with what our ladies did. Watching them crush opponents is a lot of fun. Have to admit that despite being a classless mess, I miss seeing Hope Solo defend the goal.


    They didn't even need a goal keeper their first 2 WC games. They literally could've played with an empty net, 10 vs 11, and still easily won both of those games. I expect Sweden to be more competitive, but this USWNT looks extremely strong. I won't be terribly surprised if they curb stomp their way through this tournament fairly comfortably.

    Quick side note, that Chilean goal keeper was absolutely outstanding. She deserves huge props for her performance yesterday.


    Agreed. She single-handedly prevented us from getting to 17 goals in the group stage (a record from 1995 which we should be breaking in the next game).
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:47 pm
  • Largent80 wrote:I LOVE it when the women show the men how it's done.


    Honestly, they are so far above the competition, even when they are doing mundane things like backward passing, you don't have time to register a mental complaint before they are back on the attack.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:32 am
  • SeatownJay wrote:I have absolutely no idea what to expect from the USMNT tonight I wouldn't be surprised if the won 4-0 or lost 2-1.


    Run of the mill..

    Showed some spark at times, but also lacked a cutting edge. Controlled but not measured.

    Typical of an inexperienced but somewhat talented team.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:16 pm
  • The USA has a mens soccer team?.... Ummm we have WOMEN that know how to play the game.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:42 am
  • USMNT has poor development and management. That is why they lag behind in soccer. Germany and France have both strong men’s and women’s national team. There’s absolutely no excuse the USMNT is this poor competitively in the sport. Poor meaning they aren’t in the top 10. Where they should be on a consistent basis. They are losing to countries they have no business losing to....Jamaica, Trinidad, and Venezuela. We’ll see how they fare against Trinidad tonight but I don’t see the team heading in a positive direction.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:54 am
  • hawkfan68 wrote:USMNT has poor development and management. That is why they lag behind in soccer. Germany and France have both strong men’s and women’s national team. There’s absolutely no excuse the USMNT is this poor competitively in the sport. Poor meaning they aren’t in the top 10. Where they should be on a consistent basis. They are losing to countries they have no business losing to....Jamaica, Trinidad, and Venezuela. We’ll see how they fare against Trinidad tonight but I don’t see the team heading in a positive direction.


    France didn't even qualify for the World Cup in the 90's and got bounced twice in the group stage in the 2000's.

    So disappointment and underachieving is a thing even with the major soccer powers......of which the US isn't one.

    And to expect us to be is naive and not a realistic expectation. Our expectations should be solely based in growth and development......only then will the results on the world stage follow.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:53 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    hawkfan68 wrote:USMNT has poor development and management. That is why they lag behind in soccer. Germany and France have both strong men’s and women’s national team. There’s absolutely no excuse the USMNT is this poor competitively in the sport. Poor meaning they aren’t in the top 10. Where they should be on a consistent basis. They are losing to countries they have no business losing to....Jamaica, Trinidad, and Venezuela. We’ll see how they fare against Trinidad tonight but I don’t see the team heading in a positive direction.


    France didn't even qualify for the World Cup in the 90's and got bounced twice in the group stage in the 2000's.

    So disappointment and underachieving is a thing even with the major soccer powers......of which the US isn't one.

    And to expect us to be is naive and not a realistic expectation. Our expectations should be solely based in growth and development......only then will the results on the world stage follow.


    Guess what the US finished 3rd in World Cup in 1930. I’m not talking about something 20+ years ago. Where does France rank currently? They are in the top 5. US ranked #5 in 2006. Since that time they have gone backwards. Getting back to that level is realistic. What makes it seem unrealistic is having passive attitude about it. Which is what has created this problem in the first place.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:36 pm
  • USMNT is playing much better in the second half against Trinidad and Tobago. Hopefully this type of play continues.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:10 am
  • hawkfan68 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    hawkfan68 wrote:USMNT has poor development and management. That is why they lag behind in soccer. Germany and France have both strong men’s and women’s national team. There’s absolutely no excuse the USMNT is this poor competitively in the sport. Poor meaning they aren’t in the top 10. Where they should be on a consistent basis. They are losing to countries they have no business losing to....Jamaica, Trinidad, and Venezuela. We’ll see how they fare against Trinidad tonight but I don’t see the team heading in a positive direction.


    France didn't even qualify for the World Cup in the 90's and got bounced twice in the group stage in the 2000's.

    So disappointment and underachieving is a thing even with the major soccer powers......of which the US isn't one.

    And to expect us to be is naive and not a realistic expectation. Our expectations should be solely based in growth and development......only then will the results on the world stage follow.


    Guess what the US finished 3rd in World Cup in 1930. I’m not talking about something 20+ years ago. Where does France rank currently? They are in the top 5. US ranked #5 in 2006. Since that time they have gone backwards. Getting back to that level is realistic. What makes it seem unrealistic is having passive attitude about it. Which is what has created this problem in the first place.


    There is no passive attitude. However, discontent doesn't ring as loud here in the US. Results from a tournament 80 years ago, set in an entirely different era (as well as tournament structure) is ignoring so many other factors.

    Looking at 2006, things gave gone backwards, but only recently. They also went backwards for Italy, Chile, Netherlands. Cycles are quite common and the usmnt took the first steps in addressing it before the fall off in the top team. Now they've taken the 2nd step with the new coach. Will the new coach and all these young players merge into a strong unit?

    There are not easy fixes to these things. England underachieving massively for 20 years and there are still doubts their purple patch is real. France just got shredded by Turkey with the best team in the world.

    Lot to be said how things shake out but the differences between us soccer in 2006 and 2019 are about the same as 1930 to 2006. The organization from the lowest level is far more structured and deep then ever before. The playing and development opportunities for a US soccer player are far more expansive than ever before.

    The difficulty on top of it is that the US is also transitioning from many vets to many young players.

    Some positives from the TT game though
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:14 am
  • hawkfan68 wrote:USMNT is playing much better in the second half against Trinidad and Tobago. Hopefully this type of play continues.


    Was a heavy attacking lineup with high wing backs. Required solid cb play and lots of pressing from the cms. Early in the cms could not close out TTs counter and they found the gaps where the backs had left.

    2nd half Bradley pressed higher and CBs split to win longer outlets instead of chasing. Kept TT hemmed in and then it was a matter of being creative in breaking down the two banks.

    It's an interesting, complicated and aggressive system predicated on pace, possession in the middle and attacking third, and pressing high. Very difficult for younger players to adopt as it requires a lot of interaction. Liverpool run it for example.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:00 am
  • hawkfan68 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    hawkfan68 wrote:USMNT has poor development and management. That is why they lag behind in soccer. Germany and France have both strong men’s and women’s national team. There’s absolutely no excuse the USMNT is this poor competitively in the sport. Poor meaning they aren’t in the top 10. Where they should be on a consistent basis. They are losing to countries they have no business losing to....Jamaica, Trinidad, and Venezuela. We’ll see how they fare against Trinidad tonight but I don’t see the team heading in a positive direction.


    France didn't even qualify for the World Cup in the 90's and got bounced twice in the group stage in the 2000's.

    So disappointment and underachieving is a thing even with the major soccer powers......of which the US isn't one.

    And to expect us to be is naive and not a realistic expectation. Our expectations should be solely based in growth and development......only then will the results on the world stage follow.


    Guess what the US finished 3rd in World Cup in 1930. I’m not talking about something 20+ years ago. Where does France rank currently? They are in the top 5. US ranked #5 in 2006. Since that time they have gone backwards. Getting back to that level is realistic. What makes it seem unrealistic is having passive attitude about it. Which is what has created this problem in the first place.


    Passive is not doing a complete upheaval of the US Soccer program from the top down. Gulati is gone, Klinsmann is gone, and we're right at the beginning stages of ushering in not only a new hierarchy internally with management and coaches, but a new approach to development.

    So sure, you can expect anything you want, but IMO it's not a realistic expectation to expect the US to be a top 5 program at this point in time.

    I like what I've seen so far with what Berhalter, and I do think we're finally going in the right direction on development, academies and getting everyone on the same page in how to develop the next generations of great young soccer players to hopefully compete with the top 10 countries on a more consistent basis.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:22 am
  • The bottom line is that there is no history of greatness on the men's team. We had that 50s team which upset England, the afore-mentioned 1930 team, and a few teams that went deep. Meanwhile, the women's team came out of the gate as a great team.

    I look forward to the future of the men's team, with developed players who are at least capable of playing for gold.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:57 am
  • Threedee wrote:The bottom line is that there is no history of greatness on the men's team. We had that 50s team which upset England, the afore-mentioned 1930 team, and a few teams that went deep. Meanwhile, the women's team came out of the gate as a great team.

    I look forward to the future of the men's team, with developed players who are at least capable of playing for gold.


    What happened in 1930 has no bearing on the landscape of modern soccer in any country.

    The women "came out of the gate" fast because the nation had been committed to the women's game for decades before there was a Women's World Cup.

    The rest of the world is just catching up to the US and you can see that in their development structure.
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Re: US Mens Soccer
Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:44 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    Threedee wrote:The bottom line is that there is no history of greatness on the men's team. We had that 50s team which upset England, the afore-mentioned 1930 team, and a few teams that went deep. Meanwhile, the women's team came out of the gate as a great team.

    I look forward to the future of the men's team, with developed players who are at least capable of playing for gold.


    What happened in 1930 has no bearing on the landscape of modern soccer in any country.

    The women "came out of the gate" fast because the nation had been committed to the women's game for decades before there was a Women's World Cup.

    The rest of the world is just catching up to the US and you can see that in their development structure.


    I always figured it was because:

    American Women > Foreign Women
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