Joker (Spoilers in thread)

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Joker (Spoilers in thread)
Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:59 am
  • Saw this on Saturday, man what a movie. Well shot, well written, and carried by Joaquin. The guy eats up every scene he's in and is very deserving of an Oscar.
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Re: Joker
Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:46 pm
  • I want to have seen it, but I'm not sure I actually want to sit through it and watch it.
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Re: Joker
Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:39 am
  • I saw it and really liked it. Phoenix's performance was amazing and a large part of my enjoyment. There was a police presence at the theater that isn't normally there, however, they were standing outside of the theater showing Judy. Unless there was the threat of munchkin violence, I think there was a miscommunication somewhere.
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Re: Joker
Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:47 am
  • Seanhawk wrote:I saw it and really liked it. Phoenix's performance was amazing and a large part of my enjoyment. There was a police presence at the theater that isn't normally there, however, they were standing outside of the theater showing Judy. Unless there was the threat of munchkin violence, I think there was a miscommunication somewhere.


    Because CNN and the other wokescolds tried to sabotage it saying it was quote: "invidious validation of the white-male resentment" and that "it glorifies a killer and could encourage copycat attacks." In other words, CNN blasted hype that there was a danger or racist lunatics being violent because of the movie and police had to respond. Everyone else thought it was just a good movie.
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Re: Joker
Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:47 pm
  • Have not seen it but read reviews and they are saying it is great and that Phoenix is going to get a Oscar Nomination for it.
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Re: Joker
Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:29 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:Have not seen it but read reviews and they are saying it is great and that Phoenix is going to get a Oscar Nomination for it.

    He always seems to be very good in any movie I have seen him in..
    I knew he'd be great for that role just like he played Cash..A rare
    actor in todays world.
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Re: Joker
Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:02 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:Have not seen it but read reviews and they are saying it is great and that Phoenix is going to get a Oscar Nomination for it.


    Maybe, these type of utlra violent movies don't usually sit well with the new age of woke Hollywood Oscar voters.
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Re: Joker
Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:50 pm
  • Sick and twisted movie, just how you would expect joker to be. Worth a watch for sure.
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Re: Joker
Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:51 pm
  • Oh. My. God.

    What a film. I consider it to be amazing, but a good part of the reason why is not for anything that a lot of people will even recognize.


    SPOILERS:


    So...This Joker film takes place in 1981. That is not a coincidence. It is a direct reference to former President Reagan's repeal of the Mental Health Systems Act and pushing through the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act in 1981. One of the things this did was put the responsibility for mental health care on the states, and created federal grants for states for mental health care, but also a bunch of other things. Mental health budgets then had a much lower amount of money than was needed to maintain the same level of care. The fallout is sad, outrageous, and predictable. The fact that this poor man with mental health problems, who becomes the Joker, was a victim of the treatment center he was regularly going to losing funding and shutting down is a brilliant plot point and piece of writing.

    38 years later and we're seeing the negative effects of that legislation, particularly in the PNW. This is a fictitious film that makes some excellent nonfiction points in the real world of 2019 America. It sickens me that the politicians in Seattle continue to throw money at "helping" the homeless in ways that do seemingly everything under the sun except things that help the homeless actually not be homeless anymore.

    Everyone owes it to themselves to see this film.
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Re: Joker
Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:47 pm
  • Seahawk Sailor wrote:
    Seanhawk wrote:I saw it and really liked it. Phoenix's performance was amazing and a large part of my enjoyment. There was a police presence at the theater that isn't normally there, however, they were standing outside of the theater showing Judy. Unless there was the threat of munchkin violence, I think there was a miscommunication somewhere.


    Because CNN and the other wokescolds tried to sabotage it saying it was quote: "invidious validation of the white-male resentment" and that "it glorifies a killer and could encourage copycat attacks." In other words, CNN blasted hype that there was a danger or racist lunatics being violent because of the movie and police had to respond. Everyone else thought it was just a good movie.


    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Have not seen it but read reviews and they are saying it is great and that Phoenix is going to get a Oscar Nomination for it.


    Maybe, these type of utlra violent movies don't usually sit well with the new age of woke Hollywood Oscar voters.



    What the hell are you two talking about? What is YOUR definitions for that term and where in the world did you get it? :| :?
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Re: Joker
Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:56 am
  • hgwellz12 wrote:
    Seahawk Sailor wrote:
    Seanhawk wrote:I saw it and really liked it. Phoenix's performance was amazing and a large part of my enjoyment. There was a police presence at the theater that isn't normally there, however, they were standing outside of the theater showing Judy. Unless there was the threat of munchkin violence, I think there was a miscommunication somewhere.


    Because CNN and the other wokescolds tried to sabotage it saying it was quote: "invidious validation of the white-male resentment" and that "it glorifies a killer and could encourage copycat attacks." In other words, CNN blasted hype that there was a danger or racist lunatics being violent because of the movie and police had to respond. Everyone else thought it was just a good movie.


    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Have not seen it but read reviews and they are saying it is great and that Phoenix is going to get a Oscar Nomination for it.


    Maybe, these type of utlra violent movies don't usually sit well with the new age of woke Hollywood Oscar voters.



    What the hell are you two talking about? What is YOUR definitions for that term and where in the world did you get it? :| :?


    Have you paid attention to what's been going on at the Oscars?

    Not to take this in a political direction, but all you have to do is look up what's been nominated over the past decade, and more importantly what's won and you'll see what we're talking about.

    I haven't seen Joker, but I'm sure Phoenix is incredible, dude's an amazing actor............but with all the negative press over the violence of the movie, I wouldn't hold your breath that he or the movie sees any nominations. If you want to get nominated, you better come strong with the diversity, preachy politics or good vibes.
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Re: Joker
Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:17 pm
  • RolandDeschain wrote:Oh. My. God.

    What a film. I consider it to be amazing, but a good part of the reason why is not for anything that a lot of people will even recognize.


    SPOILERS:


    So...This Joker film takes place in 1981. That is not a coincidence. It is a direct reference to former President Reagan's repeal of the Mental Health Systems Act and pushing through the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act in 1981. One of the things this did was put the responsibility for mental health care on the states, and created federal grants for states for mental health care, but also a bunch of other things. Mental health budgets then had a much lower amount of money than was needed to maintain the same level of care. The fallout is sad, outrageous, and predictable. The fact that this poor man with mental health problems, who becomes the Joker, was a victim of the treatment center he was regularly going to losing funding and shutting down is a brilliant plot point and piece of writing.

    38 years later and we're seeing the negative effects of that legislation, particularly in the PNW. This is a fictitious film that makes some excellent nonfiction points in the real world of 2019 America. It sickens me that the politicians in Seattle continue to throw money at "helping" the homeless in ways that do seemingly everything under the sun except things that help the homeless actually not be homeless anymore.

    Everyone owes it to themselves to see this film.


    Yeah I wonder if they have figured out that shutting down mental health facilities and ramp up of the Homeless has any correlation yet.

    I know they shut down another three facilities like last year due to funding.
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Re: Joker
Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:20 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    hgwellz12 wrote:
    Seahawk Sailor wrote:
    Seanhawk wrote:I saw it and really liked it. Phoenix's performance was amazing and a large part of my enjoyment. There was a police presence at the theater that isn't normally there, however, they were standing outside of the theater showing Judy. Unless there was the threat of munchkin violence, I think there was a miscommunication somewhere.


    Because CNN and the other wokescolds tried to sabotage it saying it was quote: "invidious validation of the white-male resentment" and that "it glorifies a killer and could encourage copycat attacks." In other words, CNN blasted hype that there was a danger or racist lunatics being violent because of the movie and police had to respond. Everyone else thought it was just a good movie.


    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Have not seen it but read reviews and they are saying it is great and that Phoenix is going to get a Oscar Nomination for it.


    Maybe, these type of utlra violent movies don't usually sit well with the new age of woke Hollywood Oscar voters.



    What the hell are you two talking about? What is YOUR definitions for that term and where in the world did you get it? :| :?


    Have you paid attention to what's been going on at the Oscars?

    Not to take this in a political direction, but all you have to do is look up what's been nominated over the past decade, and more importantly what's won and you'll see what we're talking about.

    I haven't seen Joker, but I'm sure Phoenix is incredible, dude's an amazing actor............but with all the negative press over the violence of the movie, I wouldn't hold your breath that he or the movie sees any nominations. If you want to get nominated, you better come strong with the diversity, preachy politics or good vibes.




    I totally get all of that. Still not sure why you two are using the term 'woke' in that context tho.
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Re: Joker
Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:09 pm
  • hgwellz12 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    hgwellz12 wrote:
    Seahawk Sailor wrote:
    Because CNN and the other wokescolds tried to sabotage it saying it was quote: "invidious validation of the white-male resentment" and that "it glorifies a killer and could encourage copycat attacks." In other words, CNN blasted hype that there was a danger or racist lunatics being violent because of the movie and police had to respond. Everyone else thought it was just a good movie.


    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Maybe, these type of utlra violent movies don't usually sit well with the new age of woke Hollywood Oscar voters.



    What the hell are you two talking about? What is YOUR definitions for that term and where in the world did you get it? :| :?


    Have you paid attention to what's been going on at the Oscars?

    Not to take this in a political direction, but all you have to do is look up what's been nominated over the past decade, and more importantly what's won and you'll see what we're talking about.

    I haven't seen Joker, but I'm sure Phoenix is incredible, dude's an amazing actor............but with all the negative press over the violence of the movie, I wouldn't hold your breath that he or the movie sees any nominations. If you want to get nominated, you better come strong with the diversity, preachy politics or good vibes.




    I totally get all of that. Still not sure why you two are using the term 'woke' in that context tho.


    What context should we be using it? IMO the word fits perfectly into what we're discussing................Hollywood wanting to be progressive and diverse in who they nominate and vote for.
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Re: Joker (Spoilers in thread)
Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:36 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:Yeah I wonder if they have figured out that shutting down mental health facilities and ramp up of the Homeless has any correlation yet.

    I know they shut down another three facilities like last year due to funding.

    God knows it couldn't possibly have any correlation to mass shooting perpetrators, either.
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Re: Joker
Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:13 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    hgwellz12 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    hgwellz12 wrote:



    What the hell are you two talking about? What is YOUR definitions for that term and where in the world did you get it? :| :?


    Have you paid attention to what's been going on at the Oscars?

    Not to take this in a political direction, but all you have to do is look up what's been nominated over the past decade, and more importantly what's won and you'll see what we're talking about.

    I haven't seen Joker, but I'm sure Phoenix is incredible, dude's an amazing actor............but with all the negative press over the violence of the movie, I wouldn't hold your breath that he or the movie sees any nominations. If you want to get nominated, you better come strong with the diversity, preachy politics or good vibes.




    I totally get all of that. Still not sure why you two are using the term 'woke' in that context tho.


    What context should we be using it? IMO the word fits perfectly into what we're discussing................Hollywood wanting to be progressive and diverse in who they nominate and vote for.


    Just double checking that THAT is what woke means to you. Funny shit.
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Re: Joker (Spoilers in thread)
Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:26 pm
  • I just have to say, after having seen the movie, anyone afraid of it inspiring violence missed the point of the film about as badly as anyone who would actually be inspired to violence by it. At no point did I feel it endorsed Arthur Fleck's actions. Was he treated sympathetically? Certainly, but that suggests to me a message that we could all afford to be more compassionate. We're too ready as a society to ignore and degrade people we think are beneath us, for whatever reason. Arthur was undoubtedly a sick man, but a man who was left to fall into the cracks and snapped because of it. No, I don't think that excuses his actions, but that doesn't mean help couldn't have prevented them. It also does a fairly good job of condemning mob mentality.

    Of course, I could just be talking out my ass, but that's what I took away. Also, Joaquin Phoenix deserves an Oscar nomination for his performance.
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Re: Joker (Spoilers in thread)
Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:39 am
  • All the negative press did was boost the movie's earnings.

    I agree with Maulbert...as an audience member, I never identified with the Fleck character. The movie successfully walked the fine line between teaching us a lesson and blaming society for the consequences of failing to learn it.
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Re: Joker (Spoilers in thread)
Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:03 pm
  • Literature has plenty of examples of "Sympathy for the Devil" type stories, where the villain is the "hero" of the story. Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita, Joe Hill's Horns, etc. Like they say, everyone is a hero in his own story.

    And we do not identify with these characters as much as we are made to understand them and empathize with them even as we see that they are villains. The Joker is no different. The only difference is that Real Journalists™ want some people to identify with them and act out on that identity because horrific news causes clicks and views.
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