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  • Zebulon Dak wrote:
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    Zebulon Dak wrote:They've done two things to set up time travel in Star Wars: they introduced "new" Force powers in TLJ, showing that pretty much anything is possible with the Force, not just telepathy and telekinesis.

    Secondly, they introduced a "Force realm" in Rebels which allowed Ezra to revisit other points in time. (He even had some kind of Force contact with Palpatine, so that potentially opens the door for something like that.)

    So even though it would kind of feel cheap and as though it kinda came out of nowhere if they do use time travel in RoS, they'll be able to point to precedent in the Star Wars canon.

    And like you guys said, it's JJ, so it's not just possible, it's probable. Or as Thanos would say, inevitable.


    Man, I loved that part of Rebels and love that they've introduced new Force abilities since Disney took over.

    Just waiting for the day we get to see Ezra again.


    I wonder where we'll see him again. I suppose the Obi Wan series, especially if Maul shows up, is the most plausible of all the confirmed projects. But I feel like we'll probably get a Ezra/Sabine/Thrawn animated series before too long.


    I would be rock hard if The Mandalorian ended up being about Ezra/Sabine post ROTJ. The main character himself being Ezra, Sabine being the leader of Mandalore.

    Hiiiiiiiiiiiiighly doubtful this will be the case though.
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  • You probably shouldn't admit to getting rock hard over cartoon characters. Just sayin'.
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  • HawkGA wrote:You probably shouldn't admit to getting rock hard over cartoon characters. Just sayin'.


    I'd have the erection if they're brought to live-action, not cartoons.

    How dare you kink shame anyway.
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  • JGfromtheNW wrote:
    HawkGA wrote:You probably shouldn't admit to getting rock hard over cartoon characters. Just sayin'.


    I'd have the erection if they're brought to live-action, not cartoons.

    How dare you kink shame anyway.


    Hey, if you say you get off to Japanimation, I won't judge. I've only seen some of Rebels, but I don't recall it being of the same quality of animation.
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  • Sabine is hot as balls.
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  • HawkGA wrote:
    JGfromtheNW wrote:
    HawkGA wrote:You probably shouldn't admit to getting rock hard over cartoon characters. Just sayin'.


    I'd have the erection if they're brought to live-action, not cartoons.

    How dare you kink shame anyway.


    Hey, if you say you get off to Japanimation, I won't judge. I've only seen some of Rebels, but I don't recall it being of the same quality of animation.


    lol no I have no interest in such things. Rule #34, I'm sure that 'quality' of animation is out there.
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  • So it seems to be all but confirmed that the final trailer will be released next Monday, the 21st, during MNF, with tickets going on sale to coincide.
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  • Final trailer dropped.

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  • Can't say it gets my excitement up, to be honest. I still bought my 5pm 12/19/19 ticket to see it, though.
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  • Serendipitously being at Galaxy's Edge the same weekend this trailer dropped got me extra hype. Thanks for the waterworks, 3PO.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:Can't say it gets my excitement up, to be honest. I still bought my 5pm 12/19/19 ticket to see it, though.


    Yep, I'll definitely be seeing it (probably not as early as you) but my excitement level to do so is pretty low.
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  • This movie is probably going to feel a lot more like TFA than TLJ. I think it's going to be a superior movie to TFA though as far as the stakes and the story go. Not that I really trust JJ as a story teller, but I think in this situation he knows how important it is to get this one "right". Now whether that ends up happening, or is even possible, is obviously up the you.
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  • Zebulon Dak wrote:This movie is probably going to feel a lot more like TFA than TLJ. I think it's going to be a superior movie to TFA though as far as the stakes and the story go. Not that I really trust JJ as a story teller, but I think in this situation he knows how important it is to get this one "right". Now whether that ends up happening, or is even possible, is obviously up the you.


    I'm just glad they dropped Colin Trevorrow before he could do to Star Wars what he did to Jurassic Park.
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  • Maulbert wrote:
    Zebulon Dak wrote:This movie is probably going to feel a lot more like TFA than TLJ. I think it's going to be a superior movie to TFA though as far as the stakes and the story go. Not that I really trust JJ as a story teller, but I think in this situation he knows how important it is to get this one "right". Now whether that ends up happening, or is even possible, is obviously up the you.


    I'm just glad they dropped Colin Trevorrow before he could do to Star Wars what he did to Jurassic Park.


    Haha yeah after a couple of years of being curious of what he would do, I'm pretty glad we'll never get to find out.
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  • Zebulon Dak wrote:
    Maulbert wrote:
    Zebulon Dak wrote:This movie is probably going to feel a lot more like TFA than TLJ. I think it's going to be a superior movie to TFA though as far as the stakes and the story go. Not that I really trust JJ as a story teller, but I think in this situation he knows how important it is to get this one "right". Now whether that ends up happening, or is even possible, is obviously up the you.


    I'm just glad they dropped Colin Trevorrow before he could do to Star Wars what he did to Jurassic Park.


    Haha yeah after a couple of years of being curious of what he would do, I'm pretty glad we'll never get to find out.


    You ever hear about The Book of Henry? It's literally what got him fired.
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  • Maulbert wrote:I know it's not technically related to Episode IX, but Benioff and Weiss are no longer making a new Star Wars trilogy:

    https://variety.com/2019/film/news/star-wars-game-of-thrones-creator-trilogy-killed-1203386590/

    I wonder what Kathleen Kennedy is going to replace them with.


    So, Disney definitely kicked them to the curb right? Because there's no way they'd choose a Netflix partnership over A STAR WARS TRILOGY WITH DISNEY MONEY. They make it sound like they just don't have enough time to do both....?

    Sad thing is they rushed to finish GOT because of wanting to work on Star Wars, even though HBO said they'd be completely fine paying more money for a full final season or more.
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  • mistaowen wrote:
    Sad thing is they rushed to finish GOT because of wanting to work on Star Wars, even though HBO said they'd be completely fine paying more money for a full final season or more.


    Do you have a link on that? I'd never heard that particular take on it.
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  • Zebulon Dak wrote:
    mistaowen wrote:
    Sad thing is they rushed to finish GOT because of wanting to work on Star Wars, even though HBO said they'd be completely fine paying more money for a full final season or more.


    Do you have a link on that? I'd never heard that particular take on it.


    It is known, since they went off source material there was no excuse to not tie up story lines and questions, also the whole rushed aspect and making things happen like shooti8ng a flying dragon from an extreme distance to even the playing field out of no where.

    They were really eyeballing the Star Wars thing like someone taking to much food on their plate or eyes bigger then their stomach approach.

    They had the money, the support, the story, the viewers interest. I really think it came down to a bit of burn out and the chance to date a ten in the Movie arena versus the 10 they had already even though it was on HBO.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    Zebulon Dak wrote:
    mistaowen wrote:
    Sad thing is they rushed to finish GOT because of wanting to work on Star Wars, even though HBO said they'd be completely fine paying more money for a full final season or more.


    Do you have a link on that? I'd never heard that particular take on it.


    It is known, since they went off source material there was no excuse to not tie up story lines and questions, also the whole rushed aspect and making things happen like shooti8ng a flying dragon from an extreme distance to even the playing field out of no where.

    They were really eyeballing the Star Wars thing like someone taking to much food on their plate or eyes bigger then their stomach approach.

    They had the money, the support, the story, the viewers interest. I really think it came down to a bit of burn out and the chance to date a ten in the Movie arena versus the 10 they had already even though it was on HBO.


    I guess I just feel like whatever happened here was probably much less about B&W "hurrying" to finish Thrones so they could move on to do Star Wars than it was about them exploring their options when they figured out that Thrones was going to be ending prematurely because they'd run short on source material (likely as far back as season 3 or 4 when they realized that Martin wasn't going to have another book out in time). Why would HBO let them "tank" the biggest show they ever had if they weren't ready for it to end? What's to stop them from bringing in somebody else as showrunner? As was mentioned they had the money and apparently the desire, they have George Martin... How, at this point, were B&W vital to the show? They could have hired just about anybody they wanted to come in and give things a proper finish. I just don't really get it and wish there was more info out there to help fill in the blanks and make this make more sense than it does.

    I could be totally wrong and you guys could be totally right, I just would like to see more information than I have. I read the Variety article from 2016 that I think most people got their info on the situation from. I just want to know if there's more out there that is more specific to the claims people make. I'm not saying there isn't, I'm saying I would like to see it if there is.
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  • I can't believe I'm going to pass on a Star Wars movie, but I just have no interest in this one.

    I love Star Wars, LOVE. But for me, I think Disney really messed the sequels up. I'm still not over how they wrecked Luke's character, or should I say Jake Skywalker. :)

    Enjoy guys, I wish I was still feeling that Star Wars magic..... I guess I still have The Mandalorian. :Dunno:
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  • twisted_steel2 wrote:I can't believe I'm going to pass on a Star Wars movie, but I just have no interest in this one.

    I love Star Wars, LOVE. But for me, I think Disney really messed the sequels up. I'm still not over how they wrecked Luke's character, or should I say Jake Skywalker. :)

    Enjoy guys, I wish I was still feeling that Star Wars magic..... I guess I still have The Mandalorian. :Dunno:


    I'm sure you're not alone. I'm still holding out a little bit of hope that JJ will somehow do the seemingly impossible and finish it off in a way that will make the majority of the fan base happy. I'd probably be better off hoping to find a way to go back in time to marry 1997 Liv Tyler, but I'm hoping nonetheless.
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  • Zebulon Dak wrote:
    twisted_steel2 wrote:I can't believe I'm going to pass on a Star Wars movie, but I just have no interest in this one.

    I love Star Wars, LOVE. But for me, I think Disney really messed the sequels up. I'm still not over how they wrecked Luke's character, or should I say Jake Skywalker. :)

    Enjoy guys, I wish I was still feeling that Star Wars magic..... I guess I still have The Mandalorian. :Dunno:


    I'm sure you're not alone. I'm still holding out a little bit of hope that JJ will somehow do the seemingly impossible and finish it off in a way that will make the majority of the fan base happy. I'd probably be better off hoping to find a way to go back in time to marry 1997 Liv Tyler, but I'm hoping nonetheless.


    I still think anyone who complains about these new movies that were on board for the prequels are nucking futs. Attack of the Clones is an objectively terrible movie. It has awful editing and pacing, a horribly written script, a plot that only makes sense if ALL the Jedi are mentally challenged, and on top of Hayden Christiansen being a terrible actor, he has ZERO chemistry with Natalie Portman. Even Ewan McGregor couldn't save that movie. The Phantom Menace was a better film. It at least made some goddamned sense.
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  • Maulbert wrote:I still think anyone who complains about these new movies that were on board for the prequels are nucking futs.

    You're entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong. ;) I'm not defending Attack of the Clones, but the prequels at least FEEL like Star Wars. The newer films feel like generic sci-fi with some Star Wars stickers randomly slapped on, and perhaps a dash of Star Wars salt thrown on top.

    https://www.cnet.com/news/why-new-star- ... -prequels/

    I've got my ticket already for 5pm Thursday night...we'll see, but my expectations are tempered.
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  • The prequels don't feel like Star Wars to me. Never have. Certain moments, sure; the scroll, the wipes, toward the end of RotS when George Lucas was trying to tie it into A New Hope and we start to see some similar settings and aesthetics (Death Star, Tantive IV, etc). But other than that they feel very unnatural and forced, cartoonish and goofy.

    The ST feels much more like Star Wars, aesthetically and in tone. The humor, while admittedly a little over the top in TLJ, much more in line with the OT, where virtually every "joke" in the PT falls embarrassingly flat (Threepio is legitimately funny in RotS, I'll give you that).

    While the ST does lack some depth (so far), the PT was propped up only by the fact that we already knew what was coming IMO. If you take away the OT, the PT is sloppy and meaningless. Without the OT the ST is still a competent story.

    I know you'll disagree, Ro, and you won't be the only one by far, but that's the way it is from my perspective.
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  • Two things I like better about the PT than the ST (so far) are better use of the droids as actual characters (in that they're actually used as characters, not that they're used particularly well) and far superior lightsaber battles, from both a quality and quantity standpoint. Even though most of the dialog during the fights is awful.
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  • A couple of interesting tweets from people in The Rise of Skywalker premiere, especially for people who hated The Last Jedi:



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  • Maulbert wrote:A couple of interesting tweets from people in The Rise of Skywalker premiere, especially for people who hated The Last Jedi:





    This is the most promising thing I've seen about Rise of Skywalker.
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  • Man I do not like the sound of that. Luckily I understand that people are prone to spewing total horsesh*t about Star Wars so I'll obviously take all this with a grain of salt until I see it for myself.
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  • I know nobody ever changes their mind about anything but this guy makes some really good points. It's less about movie making and more just about understanding the story. Worth a watch if you have a moment.

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  • Maulbert wrote:


    I love that tweet, as someone who despises Ruin Johnson for what he did, I hope he's curled up in a closet right now crying.
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  • Dude I really recommend that video if you have the time to watch it. It's not going to change your opinion on TLJ as a movie, I don't think you can really explain away somebody's dislike for a movie, but I think it makes a lot of the decisions that were made make more sense and clears up a lot of the confusion over some of the directions that Star Wars has taken since George Lucas handed it over to Disney. It's less about the "movie making" aspect of TLJ and more about understanding some of the choices the characters make and explaining some of the arcs and why a lot of the things that people complain about being wrong or not making sense are actually right in line with the way things should go and have gone in that universe.

    This guy does not shy away from the fact that there are questionable creative decisions and he fully admits there's things about the movie he doesn't like and thinks should have been different. But he just puts a lot of stuff into perspective for those who are unsure about it or who think it's just bad, stupid and wrong. Of course, as mentioned above, if you're already firmly entrenched in the idea that the movie is awful and you hate it then he's not going to change your mind. But if you are open to maybe understanding a little better I think it's a very well researched commentary and makes a lot of sense. Even made me see some things differently than I did before. Worth the watch IMO.
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  • I'll watch the rest tomorrow, I got through about 10 minutes. Seems pretty interesting. The new force powers, and that kind of stuff don't bother me, I'm ok with flying through space, and Luke projecting across the galaxy, I'm fine with all that. There's always something new.

    For me it was the story choices, and the way characters were portrayed... it was like I was watching a different Luke. As Mark Hammil said, that wasnt Luke, it was Jake Skywalker. Rian Johnson obviously had very different views on Luke than I did, and a lot of SW fans. Almost like he hated him? And the story now, the way its wrapping up, IMHO undermines the entire story from 1-6. I don't want to include spoilers, but damn. I guess we're just erasing the accomplishment of Anakin and Luke... what was the point of it all? Maybe he touches on this the last 20 min of the video?

    -I'll add too, I just overall don't like the tone of the Disney SW movies, its like they've Marvel'ed them. If that makes sense, tone down the humor, don't try so hard. It's not a comedy, not every movie has to be Thor Ragnarok. But Rogue One nailed the perfect blend of action, suspense, and perfect timing with some comedic relief with K-2SO.
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  • twisted_steel2 wrote:I'll watch the rest tomorrow, I got through about 10 minutes. Seems pretty interesting. The new force powers, and that kind of stuff don't bother me, I'm ok with flying through space, and Luke projecting across the galaxy, I'm fine with all that. There's always something new.

    For me it was the story choices, and the way characters were portrayed... it was like I was watching a different Luke. As Mark Hammil said, that wasnt Luke, it was Jake Skywalker. Rian Johnson obviously had very different views on Luke than I did, and a lot of SW fans. Almost like he hated him? And the story now, the way its wrapping up, IMHO undermines the entire story from 1-6. I don't want to include spoilers, but damn. I guess we're just erasing the accomplishment of Anakin and Luke... what was the point of it all? Maybe he touches on this the last 20 min of the video?

    -I'll add too, I just overall don't like the tone of the Disney SW movies, its like they've Marvel'ed them. If that makes sense, tone down the humor, don't try so hard. It's not a comedy, not every movie has to be Thor Ragnarok. But Rogue One nailed the perfect blend of action, suspense, and perfect timing with some comedic relief with K-2SO.


    I do know Rian Johnson said when he first sat down to write The Last Jedi, he wondered why Luke would disappear like that for so long. He didn't necessarily think Luke would lose hope, but it was the only way Johnson could rationalize Luke exiling himself. So that's what he wrote.
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  • When Rey and Chewbacca show up on on Ahch-To, that would have been the perfect time to write Luke Skywalker, you know like Luke Skywalker, instead of Jake. But he choose the lightsaber throw over the shoulder .... and it just gets worse from there. That scene might be my most hated moment in movie history. I remember in the theatre just being shocked, stunned, it took me out of the moment so hard.

    There were so many ways to explain his absence that made sense for that character, for the story. But hey, as Rian Johnson said, he wanted to subvert fan expectations. Mission accomplished.
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  • He digs quite a bit into Luke in the second half of the video. I appreciate you taking the time to watch it either way.
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  • Zebulon Dak wrote:Man I do not like the sound of that. Luckily I understand that people are prone to spewing total horsesh*t about Star Wars so I'll obviously take all this with a grain of salt until I see it for myself.

    You're going to either like it a lot or love it, I have no doubt. It's a foregone conclusion.
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  • Zebulon Dak wrote:He digs quite a bit into Luke in the second half of the video. I appreciate you taking the time to watch it either way.


    Ok, I'll check out the rest. Maybe he'll give me a different way of looking at it, where I wont hate it so much. Which I want!

    "Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."
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  • Thanks for the video Zeb,

    It sure did make me look at the series in a different way. I didnt hate the the 2 new ones I thought they where fun a fluff, that video makes me want to watch them in a different perspective next time.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:I'm going to either not like it very much or hate it, I have no doubt. It's a foregone conclusion.


    I know.
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  • twisted_steel2 wrote:
    Zebulon Dak wrote:He digs quite a bit into Luke in the second half of the video. I appreciate you taking the time to watch it either way.


    Ok, I'll check out the rest. Maybe he'll give me a different way of looking at it, where I wont hate it so much. Which I want!

    "Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."


    Haha and hey, even if it doesn't change anything for you at least you tried! :irishdrinkers:
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  • Fudwamper wrote:Thanks for the video Zeb,

    It sure did make me look at the series in a different way. I didnt hate the the 2 new ones I thought they where fun a fluff, that video makes me want to watch them in a different perspective next time.


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  • Honestly, reviews like this are probably as much backlash to the way critics reviews for TLJ were received by fans as they are anything else. This whole thing is a game now. I think we're all expecting a sh!t ton of fan service and some "course correction" in this movie to appease unhappy fans, and the critics who loved TLJ for its risks and "subversions" are of course going to be turned off by this. I'm sure either way the next few years (and probably the rest of our lives) will be a never ending argument over whether these movies are trash or treasure. Can't wait. :laugh:
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  • I've read reviews from other sites saying it's the best movie of the reboot..which looking at the last two should not be difficult. Also read that Boyega was asked of his opinion and was kinda meh about the movie...cant find the link for the life of me now
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  • Can't trust these guys reviewing any more, after all many were saying Joker was a crap movie and were all about how great Captain Marvel was.

    Better to find a place that have real peoples opinions these days.
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  • chris98251 wrote:Can't trust these guys reviewing any more, after all many were saying Joker was a crap movie and were all about how great Captain Marvel was.

    Better to find a place that have real peoples opinions these days.

    Rotten tomatoes?
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  • Cyrus12 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Can't trust these guys reviewing any more, after all many were saying Joker was a crap movie and were all about how great Captain Marvel was.

    Better to find a place that have real peoples opinions these days.

    Rotten tomatoes?


    Nope, there have been a few situations where they were found to be swayed by Disney mostly to give their movies a good rating or they were not allowed to screen them, why I stated what I did, been happening more.
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