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Rainsong and carbon guitars...
Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:24 pm
  • I know we have at least a few very Akamai (smart) guitar players in this forum. I just received a Rainsong Parlor via US mail. Because we lack such creature comforts here in the islands, I was unable to first play the Rainsong and/or any other carbon guitars like the CAs, Emeralds, etc. I am curious as to whether or not some of you have experience with these very cool guitars (?).

    The neck on this Rainsong seems very bulky. But I am used to playing a Strat, so don't want to give an unfair evaluation to this (pricey) guitar. Has anyone played a Carbon that has a neck more akin to a Strat?

    I will close this by saying this guitar is incredible in almost every other way. The sound is awesome and I've never known such sustain on an acoustic guitar. The harmonics are out of this world and it sometimes sounds more like a piano than guitar. I want to love this thing and will if I cannot locate a slimmer, down sized neck. your thoughts will be greatly appreciated and I thank you in advance.
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Re: Rainsong and carbon guitars...
Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:58 pm
  • I've decided to purchase the "gloss" CA Cargo as well. Should be here Saturday.

    Should any of you acoustic players want to know my comparative thoughts (between the 2), just ask. I do believe these carbon guitars are the wave of the future and neck aside, I'm enjoying this Rainsong in big fashion. A little brighter in sound than I had hoped (compared to wood), but getting use to it now and found the difference ialmost unnoticeable when plugged in.
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Re: Rainsong and carbon guitars...
Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:43 pm
  • HawkWow wrote:I've decided to purchase the "gloss" CA Cargo as well. Should be here Saturday.

    Should any of you acoustic players want to know my comparative thoughts (between the 2), just ask. I do believe these carbon guitars are the wave of the future and neck aside, I'm enjoying this Rainsong in big fashion. A little brighter in sound than I had hoped (compared to wood), but getting use to it now and found the difference ialmost unnoticeable when plugged in.

    With the scarcity of Brazilian Rosewood (my preferred wood for back & sides) I wound up building my acoustic Guitar with Indian Rosewood.
    I scalloped the top inside bracing ( pre- WW 2 Martin style) and it helped to give it a little more boom, and I've noticed that the more I play it, the more I can hear it finding it's voice.
    I have 4 other acoustic guitars guitar's and a mandolin hanging on my living room wall.
    I will be including a Tacoma Chief ( if I can find one that isn't overpriced)
    As you can ascertain, I'm obviously hung up on wood, because of the variable tonalities that each of my instruments produce, but that's not to say that I'm not open, and curious about the voice that the Rainsong may produce, but, I would have to be dazzled out of my socks to put up the money to buy one though.
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Re: Rainsong and carbon guitars...
Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:12 pm
  • You build your own guitars bro? I am in awe. I'm suddenly not so proud I managed to stick our mailbox up on a 4x4. ; )

    I have a buddy that has a hotel in Cambodia. Just the other day he was telling me he lost 2 of his kitchen staff because "they were busted for stealing Rosewood (and shooting at the pursuing cops)". So I guess the stuff must be prized internationally.

    I don't think you would like the Rainsong. It definitely does not remind me of wood. I'm getting use to it only because I do my best to think of it as something other than wood. Rich sound aside, it is an incredible guitar in every other way.

    The CA (Peavey) Cargo is almost half the price but still expensive at $1200. It sounds much woodier than the Rainsong and is simply amazing..especially considering it fits in an overhead. It came with medium Elixer strings, which I've not played before, and they are taking some getting use to but I love this thing. The problem I'm having now is taking it to the beach. And that was my primary reason for getting either guitar but they are just too gorgeous. That and the electronics on the Rainsong are so exposed ...I kinda feel like I was BSed a bit. They act like you can use it for a canoe paddle, then you see the pre-amp etc and understand it better not get wet. So all that money later and I will still be toting my little Martin around down there, lol. Both guitars sound awesome plugged in, btw.

    I've not played the larger CAs but if they have an even bigger, richer sound than the Cargo, I recommend you check one out if you're thinking composite. Would sure love to see a pic or 2 of your builds should you be compelled to share. I envy your talents.
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Re: Rainsong and carbon guitars...
Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:25 am
  • I picked up a used Rainsong Black Ice Jumbo for well under street price and absolutely freaking love it. The craftsmanship places it in the same echelon as Taylor, while the material science puts it on a whole different level. One of the neatest things about the Rainsong design is the lack of internal bracing, so the sound is absolutely massive and uniquely articulate. I honestly cannot say enough good things about Rainsong. Also worth noting is the fact it's a local company, based in Woodinville.
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Re: Rainsong and carbon guitars...
Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:30 pm
  • I couldn't agree more. And local for both of us as the company started on Maui. You have the really real deal. The sound from my Parlor is massive..almost alarming, I can only imagine your Black Ice. Without the bracing..it's a huge cavity acting as a speaker cabinet.

    How's the harmonics? I couldn't believe them and the sustain is other worldly. If you need a travel version, I can't recommend the CA Cargo enough. Same deal as the Rainsongs with perhaps a woodier sound. They come with some pretty craptastic bags and I will ultimately get a hardshell, but I am confident I will be able to board with the Cargo and put it in the overhead. The Rainsongs would really be pushing it and I fear checking any guitar through after a past tragedy. I love this Cargo and I find myself playing it almost exclusively.

    Does the neck seem a bit extra meaty to you? It could just be me as I am use to my Strat..but I am struggling a bit trying to grab certain chords. But this too shall pass. Hawaii is hell on wood guitars and the carbons are providing me a level of comfort I've not known before. I just opened the case of my Le Petre and the neck is bowed. I will have to deal with it when I can locate my allen set. I also have an 81 Ibanez Artist (the ES-335 lawsuit one) and it is showing signs of humidity exposure as well. Scary as hell.

    EDIT: For complete transparency I need to say here that I play like shit. So my opinions should be dismissed if not taken with a grain of salt. I do have a badass collection, though. ; )
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Re: Rainsong and carbon guitars...
Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:47 pm
  • HawkWow wrote:You build your own guitars bro? I am in awe. I'm suddenly not so proud I managed to stick our mailbox up on a 4x4. ; )

    I have a buddy that has a hotel in Cambodia. Just the other day he was telling me he lost 2 of his kitchen staff because "they were busted for stealing Rosewood (and shooting at the pursuing cops)". So I guess the stuff must be prized internationally.

    I don't think you would like the Rainsong. It definitely does not remind me of wood. I'm getting use to it only because I do my best to think of it as something other than wood. Rich sound aside, it is an incredible guitar in every other way.

    The CA (Peavey) Cargo is almost half the price but still expensive at $1200. It sounds much woodier than the Rainsong and is simply amazing..especially considering it fits in an overhead. It came with medium Elixer strings, which I've not played before, and they are taking some getting use to but I love this thing. The problem I'm having now is taking it to the beach. And that was my primary reason for getting either guitar but they are just too gorgeous. That and the electronics on the Rainsong are so exposed ...I kinda feel like I was BSed a bit. They act like you can use it for a canoe paddle, then you see the pre-amp etc and understand it better not get wet. So all that money later and I will still be toting my little Martin around down there, lol. Both guitars sound awesome plugged in, btw.

    I've not played the larger CAs but if they have an even bigger, richer sound than the Cargo, I recommend you check one out if you're thinking composite. Would sure love to see a pic or 2 of your builds should you be compelled to share. I envy your talents.

    I had a head start in building guitars back in 1967 at a factory in Astoria Oregon, the Company name was called Musicraft and they they were equipped with an aluminum neck, Grover Tuners, and my job was final shaping and smoothing the neck just prior to painting.
    Although they are no longer in business, (at least I don't think they are) they were real easy to play, and
    The pickups on the guitar were lousy, and I think that was the most probable reason for their demise.
    I don't recall exactly the Recording artist that used the Musicraft guitar in their recordings, but I'm betting that he probably canned the pickups for something with a lot better quality.
    I'm not sure of which brand of strings you use on your instruments, but I was just turned on to Elixir POLLYWEB, I capitalized the word Polyweb, because Elixir also makes the crappy Nanowebs, and they don't hold the kickass tonality of Polyweb, because the rust proof coating on the strings is insufficient.
    The Polywebs are no longer being produced, because they held their resonant tone quality for approximately 3 to 5 times longer than ANYTHING else on the market.
    I love the boom that my hand built puts out with these new strings, and will let you know how well they hold up.
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Re: Rainsong and carbon guitars...
Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:10 pm
  • Cool stuff, Scutter. I am uncertain which Elixers came with these guitars. My first experience with them and / or coated strings. Growing to like them more by the day but it sounds like the bonus benefit will be later in not having to replace the strings (as frequently as I should) .

    I have to plug a guitar store (I have no affiliation or stock in the company). McNichol guitars out of Salt lake. After having the Rainsong for a few weeks, then buying the Cargo, I expressed to their rep, Michael, that I wasn't happy with the electronics on the Rainsong, nor the neck (not that there is anything wrong with either, just not my preference). So he says.."not a problem, send it back and we will give you a full refund". Say what? How cool is that?

    We are limited here in the islands and sometimes have to buy stuff online that you hate to (like expensive guitars) but this company has all but erased my concerns associated with doing so. I am just floored by their old school brand of customer service and will be buying more guitars from them (probably exclusively). I will likely buy an Emerald next but the company, based in Ireland, has a wait list of several months. I don't have that level of patience, lol, but If McNichol gets one in, they will contact me and I really look forward to checking them out, though it won't be personalized to my specs...as the company prefers to do, but I doubt I'm good enough to know the difference, anyway.

    An aluminum neck. I am vaguely recalling such an instrument. Was the headstock shaped like a U or did Kramer also have an aluminum neck (with the U shaped headstock)? Very cool you gained such experience. Are you now a full on luthier (sp?) ?
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Re: Rainsong and carbon guitars...
Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:44 am
  • HawkWow wrote:Cool stuff, Scutter. I am uncertain which Elixers came with these guitars. My first experience with them and / or coated strings. Growing to like them more by the day but it sounds like the bonus benefit will be later in not having to replace the strings (as frequently as I should) .

    I have to plug a guitar store (I have no affiliation or stock in the company). McNichol guitars out of Salt lake. After having the Rainsong for a few weeks, then buying the Cargo, I expressed to their rep, Michael, that I wasn't happy with the electronics on the Rainsong, nor the neck (not that there is anything wrong with either, just not my preference). So he says.."not a problem, send it back and we will give you a full refund". Say what? How cool is that?

    We are limited here in the islands and sometimes have to buy stuff online that you hate to (like expensive guitars) but this company has all but erased my concerns associated with doing so. I am just floored by their old school brand of customer service and will be buying more guitars from them (probably exclusively). I will likely buy an Emerald next but the company, based in Ireland, has a wait list of several months. I don't have that level of patience, lol, but If McNichol gets one in, they will contact me and I really look forward to checking them out, though it won't be personalized to my specs...as the company prefers to do, but I doubt I'm good enough to know the difference, anyway.

    An aluminum neck. I am vaguely recalling such an instrument. Was the headstock shaped like a U or did Kramer also have an aluminum neck (with the U shaped headstock)? Very cool you gained such experience. Are you now a full on luthier (sp?) ?

    You can find a lot of info on U-Tube about the Musicraft Guitar.
    ALSO, I have SEEN, that they made an aluminum neck for the Mandolin, double neck Guitars, and Banjo's as well, although I don't think they ever got off the ground beyond the electric Guitars.
    On a sad side note :( I was given a Guitar body that was painted a high gloss black), AND as far as I was aware, that was the ONLY black body that they (Musicraft) was EVER going to produce.
    Long story short :34853_doh: , I had this guitar body, along with my hand built Curly Maple Jumbo Acoustic back & sides guitar stored in my In-Laws storage hut, when I went off to the Air Force, AND, their storage building caught fire, :cry: everything burnt up.
    On your post about the Rainsong, my curiosity was piqued, and so, I listened to a few examples on U-Tube, and I have to say, from the few that I heard there, I was damned impressed.
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Re: Rainsong and carbon guitars...
Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:04 am
  • Also HawkWow?, there's NOTHING that soothes the soul like building one for yourself, and I HIGHLY recommend that you at least give it a whirl, because if you do, you will have a brand new love in your life......I GUARANTEE IT.
    My next one is going to be an Electric slim body Guitar in the Tele design, but I intend to personalize it to fit me, and my love of the arts.
    My acoustic that I built has Abalone inlay that I cut, shaped and polished from raw shells (time consuming as hell, but oh so rewarding)
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Re: Rainsong and carbon guitars...
Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:16 pm
  • HawkWow wrote:I couldn't agree more. And local for both of us as the company started on Maui. You have the really real deal. The sound from my Parlor is massive..almost alarming, I can only imagine your Black Ice. Without the bracing..it's a huge cavity acting as a speaker cabinet.

    How's the harmonics? I couldn't believe them and the sustain is other worldly. If you need a travel version, I can't recommend the CA Cargo enough. Same deal as the Rainsongs with perhaps a woodier sound. They come with some pretty craptastic bags and I will ultimately get a hardshell, but I am confident I will be able to board with the Cargo and put it in the overhead. The Rainsongs would really be pushing it and I fear checking any guitar through after a past tragedy. I love this Cargo and I find myself playing it almost exclusively.

    Does the neck seem a bit extra meaty to you? It could just be me as I am use to my Strat..but I am struggling a bit trying to grab certain chords. But this too shall pass. Hawaii is hell on wood guitars and the carbons are providing me a level of comfort I've not known before. I just opened the case of my Le Petre and the neck is bowed. I will have to deal with it when I can locate my allen set. I also have an 81 Ibanez Artist (the ES-335 lawsuit one) and it is showing signs of humidity exposure as well. Scary as hell.

    EDIT: For complete transparency I need to say here that I play like shit. So my opinions should be dismissed if not taken with a grain of salt. I do have a badass collection, though. ; )


    The Black Ice series is definitely the "really real deal". I have never been more impressed with an instrument. It has integrated electronics which I don't use, but they are said to be built around a high quality Fishman design. I work a lot on ships these days, and the rugged carbon fiber construction holds up to a marine environment very well. Fantastically so. Hell, you could even use the thing as an emergency boat oar or floatation device, pull it out of the water, then immediately start playing without fear of warping. That said, I would avoid taking any guitar I love aboard a commercial aircraft, though durability is not a fear with these guitars. In fact, the first generation of them didn't even have a truss rod.

    As for the harmonics, I find the guitar less harmonically complex than wood guitars, but that is a unique quality and is by no means a detriment to the instrument. Either it's my discerning ear, or the sonic quality of carbon fiber, but each note seems to have fewer harmonics than a traditional wooden guitar. It results in an incredibly articulate sound that is almost ghostly. These guitars are in a class of their own in terms of how they sound. Nothing compares.

    The neck is definitely thicker than what I was used to, but I did not find it to be burdensome at all. I love the slick urethane finish as it makes the neck naturally fast.

    Other notable guitars in my collection include a Fender Custom Shop American Deluxe Strat, a customized Gibson Les Paul, an Ibanez Universe 777, and a middle-of-the-line-but-made-in-America Martin dreadnought. The Rainsong trumps them all, hands down.
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