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 Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
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 Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
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I hope that wasn't posted already. I couldn't wade through the whole thread, and I'm not articulate enough to come up with my own rebuttals...unless I'm screamin' mad, and then no one listens anyway...

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I hope that wasn't posted already. I couldn't wade through the whole thread, and I'm not articulate enough to come up with my own rebuttals...unless I'm screamin' mad, and then no one listens anyway...


Welcome to the PWR, and .Net. Nobody here listens anyway, but we sure love to argue. :)

I say speak up; you won't get better at articulating if you don't exercise the skill.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
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SeAhAwKeR4life wrote:
NorCalHawk12 wrote:
I hope that wasn't posted already. I couldn't wade through the whole thread, and I'm not articulate enough to come up with my own rebuttals...unless I'm screamin' mad, and then no one listens anyway...


Welcome to the PWR, and .Net. Nobody here listens anyway, but we sure love to argue. :)

I say speak up; you won't get better at articulating if you don't exercise the skill.


Thanks, Hawker...
been bird doggin' for awhile, joined just before my trip to the Clink for the beatdown on SF...
I'll try to speak up more, but don't expect much...I'm really old (not so much, just seems maybe older than most here)

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 Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
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I meant "after" the beatdown...


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 Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
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I would find odd that you would think the people who made this country mistrusted central government so much that they created one.


That's a lazy and intellectually dishonest response, and you know it. Wariness of government doesn't make anarchy a better solution.

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You tell me what's better. Your right to have your weapon or reducing firearm related deaths by 90%+?


Tighter gun control will not reduce firearm-related deaths. It will increase them.

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Tighter gun control will not reduce firearm-related deaths. It will increase them.


Less guns for mentally unstable, less ammunition, more/stronger background checks leads to more deaths. Makes sense. Tell me more.


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The issue is white kids getting shot. Black kids get shot in inner-cities and there's really nothing on the national news. So, lets just make sure no more white kids get shot and we all get to keep our guns.

I need my gun, because although I think goverment should be reduced because its dysfuntional, I'm REALLY scared they'll come and get me. Goverment sucks, and cant be left to manage ANYTHING, not ONE THING, but they're scary.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
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Tighter gun control will not reduce firearm-related deaths. It will increase them.


Less guns for mentally unstable, less ammunition, more/stronger background checks leads to more deaths. Makes sense. Tell me more.


How about the numerous public shootings and home invasions that are aborted by a weapon in service of the defenseless, or their deterrence by a criminal's mere knowledge that certain homes are armed?

Background checks I'm perfectly fine with.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
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MontanaHawk05 wrote:
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Tighter gun control will not reduce firearm-related deaths. It will increase them.


Less guns for mentally unstable, less ammunition, more/stronger background checks leads to more deaths. Makes sense. Tell me more.


How about the numerous public shootings and home invasions that are aborted by a weapon in service of the defenseless, or their deterrence by a criminal's mere knowledge that certain homes are armed?

Background checks I'm perfectly fine with.


Do you honestly think guns save 11,000 lives a year?

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 Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
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MontanaHawk05 wrote:
12evanf wrote:
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Tighter gun control will not reduce firearm-related deaths. It will increase them.


Less guns for mentally unstable, less ammunition, more/stronger background checks leads to more deaths. Makes sense. Tell me more.


How about the numerous public shootings and home invasions that are aborted by a weapon in service of the defenseless, or their deterrence by a criminal's mere knowledge that certain homes are armed?

Background checks I'm perfectly fine with.



Because your Republican manifesto says background checks are ok.

But it also says you can't think less guns for mentally unstable is ok, that's restricting freedom.

No one is taking away your right to have a gun in your home. They are trying to make everyone take gun ownership more seriously, because lately its been treated like a priviledge, not a right.


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No one is taking away your right to have a gun in your home. They are trying to make everyone take gun ownership more seriously, because lately its been treated like a priviledge, not a right.


To even insinuate that nobody wants to take guns out of homes is ridiculous. Do a quick google search and you can find plenty of people who are wanting to take away the right to gun ownership. The fact that there are enough people in this country who support the 2nd amendment means it's very unlikely to happen doesn't mean people don't want it to happen.


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 Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
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No one is taking away your right to have a gun in your home. They are trying to make everyone take gun ownership more seriously, because lately its been treated like a priviledge, not a right.


To even insinuate that nobody wants to take guns out of homes is ridiculous. Do a quick google search and you can find plenty of people who are wanting to take away the right to gun ownership. The fact that there are enough people in this country who support the 2nd amendment means it's very unlikely to happen doesn't mean people don't want it to happen.


Do a google search on neo-nazis, see how many want the 4th reich to occur in the United States, too. There's "plenty" of those too. Should I fear that?

Of course you cant see this, because you put me on ignore, because I wiped the floor with you're face.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
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kidhawk wrote:
12evanf wrote:
No one is taking away your right to have a gun in your home. They are trying to make everyone take gun ownership more seriously, because lately its been treated like a priviledge, not a right.


To even insinuate that nobody wants to take guns out of homes is ridiculous. Do a quick google search and you can find plenty of people who are wanting to take away the right to gun ownership. The fact that there are enough people in this country who support the 2nd amendment means it's very unlikely to happen doesn't mean people don't want it to happen.


I want it to happen.

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kidhawk wrote:
12evanf wrote:
No one is taking away your right to have a gun in your home. They are trying to make everyone take gun ownership more seriously, because lately its been treated like a priviledge, not a right.


To even insinuate that nobody wants to take guns out of homes is ridiculous. Do a quick google search and you can find plenty of people who are wanting to take away the right to gun ownership. The fact that there are enough people in this country who support the 2nd amendment means it's very unlikely to happen doesn't mean people don't want it to happen.


I want it to happen.


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I think it should be just like a driver's license; you can be denied because of disability as deemed appropriate, you have to take a test on safe use and storage of firearms, that you know the applicable state and federal laws; essentially prove you know the difference between responsible ownership and irresponsible. For fuck's sake how hard is it to pass a driver's test? Why should we take weapons less seriously than transportation?

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Do you honestly think guns save 11,000 lives a year?


Do you think guns (specifically AR) take 11,000 lives a year?

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Less guns for mentally unstable, less ammunition, more/stronger background checks leads to more deaths. Makes sense. Tell me more.


How about the numerous public shootings and home invasions that are aborted by a weapon in service of the defenseless, or their deterrence by a criminal's mere knowledge that certain homes are armed?

Background checks I'm perfectly fine with.


Do you honestly think guns save 11,000 lives a year?


They might, actually. What is known is that they stop more than a million crimes every year, frequently without firing a shot. I'll take it.

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500 kids die every year from accidental gun shootings. That's one number.

Again, the goal from policy makers is not to eliminate violence nor gun violence. 11,000 people is a lot. We should be able to trim that number in half. This is 2013 people!

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They might, actually. What is known is that stop more than a million crimes every year, frequently without firing a shot. I'll take it.


How many crimes are committed with guns without firing a shot?


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500 kids die every year from accidental gun shootings. That's one number.

Again, the goal from policy makers is not to eliminate violence nor gun violence. 11,000 people is a lot. We should be able to trim that number in half. This is 2013 people!

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They might, actually. What is known is that stop more than a million crimes every year, frequently without firing a shot. I'll take it.


How many crimes are committed with guns without firing a shot?


I'm going to throw a party, knowing that there are 500 fewer potential Darwin Award winners out there.

If we're trying to address violent crime, perhaps we should address what actually causes violent crime, and it's not firearms.

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