The question is how much? Will current gun owners have to turn in their guns? This last shooting involved both hand guns and a assault rifle. Will they go after both types of guns?

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According to you guys Obama should have already taken away your guns by now, what happened?
There is this little thing called the 2nd amendment of the United States constitution, your guns are safe, though you may just have to put down the NRA/GOA propaganda to realize it.

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I belong to 4 organizations...

1) My family
2) My job
3) My band
4) Catholic church (albeit not a very active go to church every Sunday Catholic)

None of which are motivated by gun rights. Nice try though. Obama mentioned 2 tell tale words tonight during his speech. "Policy Change"

Regardless of all the rhetoric by the NRA, he has been quiet on gun control over the last four years. So I would say his policy during his last 4 years on gun control has been to let the status quo remain.

What other policy could he be talking about changing? Middle East policy?

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I hope this is our Dunblane.

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RIP ROAD WOES 12/2/2012

You're a sick little fuck for saying that. There were heavy gun control laws in place before Dunblane happened. Evil people will still find a way to get guns if they want one bad enough. You're way the fuck out of your element with comments like this.

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A sick fuck? You'll have to explain this one.

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RIP ROAD WOES 12/2/2012

Invoking a tragic occasion in which several school children were shot dead by a sick bastard for use as a political bargaining chip is sick. how would you feel if after some kind of major attack on British soil by terrorists, some right-wing British person said 'I hope this is our 9/11', in the hopes of stricter new security and immigration laws? it's low as fuck.

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I don't view it as a bargaining chip and think its fucked up that you think like that. Those children are dead and it is fucking horrible. God willing something comes out of this, in their memory, to prevent future sickos wreaking similar violence.

But mentally unstable people I.e schizophrenics will have a much harder time (hopefully) getting weapons and that will save lives.

Making something illegal doesn't make it harder to get, only harder to get legally. People only tend to think about themselves and in this instance, just because most people buy their guns legally, they think that taking away those legal avenues would make it harder to buy. This is just wrong. It only makes it harder to buy them legally, not to buy them. There are hundreds of millions of guns in this country, and as soon as you try to ban them, they go underground and you have even less control.

Also, mentally unstable people don't need guns to commit these actions, they will always find a way. Will you feel better when they mentally deranged slash and stab all the kids to death instead or will that create a need to take all the sharp instruments? Where does it end?

If you think people's guns are "safe" after this incident, you are must be smoking some really good crack. Obama doesn't have a reelection to worry about now. He, along with loud mouthed Democrats like Diane Feinstein are going to take every step they can to put a permanent version of the Brady Bill into effect.

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What can the government do to either stop the sales of guns or even confiscate existing guns. What will the consequences be for not falling in line with the new gun control laws?

I believe it was Sonichawk that said in another thread that there is something like 297 million guns in the US. I would say it's feasible to say that there are in excess of 20 million gun owners in the US. If we can't put the adult subset of the 11 million illegal aliens in jail or deport them back to where ever it was they came from, how can we jail gun owners that won't give up their guns? How can one be logistically feasible and the other not?

Will the administration take another route and ban or severely restrict the sales of ammunition? Which will in effect send that business underground and create a new form of dealer. Doing this move will essentially give the existing drug cartels another revenue stream. We all know how effective our fight against these guys has been when it comes to drugs.

My intention of starting this thread wasn't to discuss the second amendment end of this move, that's being done in other threads. It was to discuss how is it even possible to create and enforce stricter gun control laws? We really can't point to other countries and confidently say "Well it worked there!", simply because the WIDE cultural differences between the US and any other country in the world.

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What the fuck do you use as a means for change then? Non events? Hypothetical situations?

People are reactionary. We make laws based off history. We see something wrong, we do our best to fix it.

It would be like after 9/11 not doing anything to improve airport and airplane security. It's not politics, it's a problem that needs a solution.

I would prefer that we would create laws without horrible tragedies happening, but this event happened.

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RIP ROAD WOES 12/2/2012

We need to do Mental Health screening in primary grades and then treat. Mental Health still has a stigma and no one wants to be labeled "crazy".

The country needs better access to it as well. We can afford,to,send people through many drug and alcohol programs yet this has as great of a risk to society.

The guy in Seattle that shot up the cafe and then killed himself, his family said he had and they had tried to get him mental,health care to no avail.

GunControl is like putting a bandaid on a badly infected cut. It does nothing and like the cut can't get better until you treat the problem.

Well you start somewhere. You make the purchase of new weapons very difficult (or illegal depending on the depth of new laws). You make possession a fineable offense with confiscation. You have voluntary turn-in period where they are given tax breaks or cash.

In addition to the removal of firearms from the average citizen, there should be an effort to remove them from the police force as well.

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RIP ROAD WOES 12/2/2012

Disregarding gun control and blaming it solely on mental health is not the answer either.

Mental health improvements and access as well as increased gun control (as in what the UK has) is what I believe is the answer.

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RIP ROAD WOES 12/2/2012

This is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, not the UNITED KINGDOM. If you want to take away guns, just go ahead and try to repeal the 2nd amendment, if you can't do that, then either you live with the consequence of guns or move.

You really have only a few options here:

1) Live in an America where we continue to keep our rights and the 2nd amendment continues to protect us from any chance of future tyranny. We can add safety laws to help make them more safe (gun safes, training courses etc.)

2) Appeal the 2nd amendment and put all your faith that the government knows best how to run your life

3) Move to a country that already has all the gun control laws you wish to live by.


Personally, I choose option number 1

If we drastically change gun control laws without changing the 2nd Amendment, will gun nuts do number 3 and move to undeveloped nations? Why should people in support of sensible gun control laws have to move, why can't the gun nuts?

I trust the government with a decision more than I trust an individual with mental issues with a gun.

I live in America, a place that I prefer to make a whole lot better and not live by laws that were made in 1791 and pretend that they were made by God.

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RIP ROAD WOES 12/2/2012

If we create laws such as many on the left (sonic is a good example), the only way they will be upheld would be through removal of the 2nd amendment. This should never happen and I don't think there is any way to get enough support in this country to do such a thing.

Most gun people have no problems with gun safety. Most gun owners are responsible.

My issue here is with the people like Sonic who believe that you can take away our right to own guns and make the world a safer place and that this amount of added safety is worth the loss of rights. He's stated as much in discussions of his support of the Patriot Act previously, and now with his desire to remove guns, not only from the citizens, but he even has a post in one of the threads wanting to take them from the police. He basically wants our country to be run as if it's the UK not the USA