I gotta agree with Veta on this. Why do we always have to resort to embellishment and hyperbole on these types of issues? You like guns. You don't like guns. You enjoy them or you don't. They scare you or they make you feel safe. Just be fucking honest. Don't compare them to cars (Rick). Just be truthful.

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Here's another one, if that last one wasn't up to your journalistic tastes:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/21/a-gun-tale-of-two-cities/

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How is comparing the two hyperbole? Both are very real statistics, and both are illegal actions (Murder by gun or DUI), and you should be scared either way (someone pointing a gun at you or a drunk barreling down the road at you swerving like a mad man). If anything, using the comparison is actually shedding light on the fact that some people on the banning guns side of the debate are being intellectually dishonest by saying they just want to save lives. Both of them kill and they do so by very comparable numbers.

I am 100% against driving drunk and have even suggested that we install blow and goes on all cars to prevent DUIs.

Let's install a "human killing prevention system" on guns and then we can make them legal too.

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Putting those breathalyzers on cars isn't any different than trigger locks or gun safes. They help in some ways but aren't infallible, but you still aren't looking for a ban on this like you are with guns.

Oh my god, seriously you think a breathalyzer is the same as a trigger lock?

I can't argue with you on this subject. You are absolutely impossible to deal with.

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It is the same thing that gets said about almost 100% of these killings when they interview people that know the killer.

I see people here saying the problem isn't guns but mental illness. Well, if a stable person becomes unstable, it is the easiest thing in the world to obtain, a gun. Blast away mr. or mrs. stable or formerly stable America, it is your right to do so. People get unstable in seconds, so the argument of mental illness is pretty weak. It doesn't matter. The gun nuts need their guns and thats the end of the discussion.

Can't breathalyzers be fooled with a spray bottle filled with water?

Breathalyzer...a device used to lock your ignition system until you can unlock it by breathing into it with a sufficiently low blood alcohol level (or get someone else to, or leave your car running or drink while your driving or bypass it in any other number of ways)

Trigger lock...a device used to block access to the trigger of a weapon until such time as the device is unlocked or the locking mechanism is bypassed in some other way.

Exactly how are they not similar? Oh yea, because YOU said so

Because you can unlock a trigger lock even if you're shitty drunk? Because you can't just unlock your breathalyzer anytime you want, you have to meet a pretty particular set of standards to be able to unlock it?

They're obviously similar things, but they also quite obviously have some major differences.

Not unlike cars and guns.

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Maybe the very cheapest ones, but in general, no, they are not that much of low performance equipment.

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I'm done explaining to grown men the differences between guns and cars. This is just fucking stupid. Nobody with half a brain is buying this bullshit.

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Wait, are you trying to say there's a difference between these two lethal death machines?

It's funny when you bring up the fact that drunk drivers cause more homicide than firearms, they just scream about how they are different. Nobody says they are the same, but the outcome is the same. A lot of the argument against guns is to protect lives. The outcome of gun death is, well death, the outcome of running over someone while driving drunk is just as often, death. They want to argue to ban guns to save lives, but when you point out more lives are lost by something else they could just as easily ban, they say the two are different and call you stupid.

What does this tell us? well it tells us that they don't want to ban guns to save lives, but they want to ban guns for another reason. It says their saving lives argument is intellectually dishonest. Even though their premise is completely intellectually dishonest, they actually believe it.

Obviously some deaths are better than others. And they become martyrs when they can be used to advance a cause.

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Nope. Samesies. The banning of each would have the exact same results and consequences. Hey, maybe at least then we could really get that light rail system up there goin'!

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Of course there's an agenda!! They want to disarm the population. Doesn't make the shitty cars argument anymore reasonable. Just be honest and reasonable, that's all I ask!

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When someone says that they want to ban guns to save lives and begin touting statistics of gun homicides, then another form of homicide that does even more damage is a fair argument. It's not the people bringing up the vehicular (DUI) homicides that are being intellectually dishonest, just pointing out the ones who are being hypocritical, even if they don't realize it.

When people start talking sardonically about banning cars to stop drunk driving deaths is when the argument becomes dishonest. It's not a valid argument because it's not the same situation. But you already know this.

So question, you say yourself "they don't want to ban guns to save lives, but they want to ban guns for another reason" and I 100% totally, completely agree with you. So what do YOU think the reason is?

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Of course it's not the same situation, but you could also ban alcohol and reduce the amount of DUI deaths in this country. This is where there is a parallel (not the same but parallel) between the two. They cause a similar amount of homicides, and both actions are criminal, yet it's ok to ban guns, but not the alcohol.




I really can't say what EVERYBODY'S reason is, but I think some people don't see any useful purpose for owning a gun. Many may have never touched a gun in their lives, some may have been touched by gun violence and that may affect their thought process. It's really hard to know, especially when they probably aren't really sure themselves.