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Sutz - you may not have said it here, but we haven't seen a single time Dear Leader has even been questioned, let alone criticized by those on the left. Ever. He can do no wrong. Hell, the Pope didn't have that kind of infallibility. Outreach programs had a lower opinion of Mother Theresa. Justin Beiber fans are less devout.
I have a feeling that you've never seen any commentary/news truly from the "left." Given the current state of the media, that's a near certainty if you haven't looked for it.
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sutz wrote:
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Sutz - you may not have said it here, but we haven't seen a single time Dear Leader has even been questioned, let alone criticized by those on the left. Ever. He can do no wrong. Hell, the Pope didn't have that kind of infallibility. Outreach programs had a lower opinion of Mother Theresa. Justin Beiber fans are less devout.
I have a feeling that you've never seen any commentary/news truly from the "left." Given the current state of the media, that's a near certainty if you haven't looked for it.
I have. But the voices in my head that inspire the horror stories aren't even that crazy. I can only take it for so long before retreating to the relative sanity of gore and the supernatural.
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Post subject: Re: Sequestration
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:03 am
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Given the laissez faire tone of the negotiations, it's pretty obvious that neither side was all that scared by the sequestration. For the Republicans, it was certainly better than raising taxes. For the Democrats, it was a tacit admission that social spending is out of control without having to commit political suicide by actually doing something about it.
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MontanaHawk05 wrote:
Given the laissez faire tone of the negotiations, it's pretty obvious that neither side was all that scared by the sequestration. For the Republicans, it was certainly better than raising taxes. For the Democrats, it was a tacit admission that social spending is out of control without having to commit political suicide by actually doing something about it.
By that line of thought, was it also a tacit admission for the Republicans that defense spending is out of control without having to commit political suicide by actually doing something about it?
Honestly, I can understand the IDEA behind sequestration - the concept that managed cuts are better than blind across-the-board cuts and therefore a bad scenario would force the parties to negotiate and compromise. Perhaps both sides were a bit naive/optimistic when they planned that out.
As for the sequestration itself, I don't buy the administration's doom and gloom. The amounts themselves aren't a big deal. The problems are that (from what I've read), the percentage to be cut is applied evenly for the most part not only across all programs, but also across all sub-programs, purchases, etc. It's one thing to agree that we need to cut defense, social security, medicare, education, etc. and try to make sure that we're not just avoiding cuts on pet programs (which both parties are guilty of doing). It's another to carry that wide spectrum of cutting to within the program itself, refusing to allow each program to determine how it handles the reduced budget.
For example, what about defense? Wouldn't it make sense to target most of the cuts to the bloated and problem-riddled F-35 program?
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Post subject: Re: Sequestration
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:45 am
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In the latest attempt to help soften the blow that the sequestration cuts will have, republicans voted to give the president's administration flexibility in how to make the required cuts instead of just being flat cuts across the board. The democrats, following the white house's lead, voted against this measure.
If that isn't playing political games, then what is? This bill gave the white house more power, but instead of taking this and working with it to make the cuts where they need to be made, they decided they'd rather have everything or nothing at all. More stupid political gamesmanship IMO
I (shockingly) do not see how you blame Obama. The republicans don't want to propose where these cuts will come from - afraid of the political backlash for cutting a popular program. It is their job to deal with it - not the presidents.
Obama has made a proposal - including some compromises. Republicans are going into the negotiations adamant that they will not negotiate. In that case, they need to propose where all of the cuts are coming from. They want the cuts, have the balls to publicize what you are going to eliminate/cut.
Obama's problem was not allowing this all to take place in January. Across the board tax increases and spending cuts, then work backward with targeted tax breaks and program increases. Just my opinion, of course.
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Post subject: Re: Sequestration
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:00 am
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The first pictures from the sequester are coming in. Doesn't look good.
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Post subject: Re: Sequestration
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:48 pm
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Post subject: Re: Sequestration
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:54 pm
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Not sticking up for Obama and his obvious flaws, but you must have been asleep when Dubya was president then?
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Post subject: Re: Sequestration....Obama apologizes...
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:50 pm
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Post subject: Re: Sequestration
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 5:36 pm
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Silly Congress. Only proposed a couple of different compromises.
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Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:34 pm
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Post subject: Re: Sequestration
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:19 pm
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So a plan that would allow Congress to not actually have to come up with a plan failed? Oh the horror. The surprising part is that anybody actually thinks this was an actual plan. Sequestration was designed to force an agreement, not figure out a way to kick the can further down. Sequestration was a stupid idea, but you know what, everybody is to blame for letting it come to fruition so they have to deal with it. We will be seeing the pain from it in about a month, hopefully both parties get their heads out of their asses to figure something out.
What is holding everything up is the Republicans not wanting to add new revenue, which even Republicans not in Congress wants more of. The Presidents plan is a 2 to 1 split, for every 2 dollars cut there is 1 dollar in revenue. Sorry, that is fair and gives them almost everything they want with cuts to SS and Medicare/Medicaid. The funny thing here is that the Conservatives here think it is Obama who should cave. Why? The Republicans are completely unwilling to even negotiate, with Boehner just coming out saying he considered new revenue a settled issue he won't touch on.
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Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:32 am
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So, "we said it was going to goddamn hurt; it's gonna goddamn hurt!" Nice. A government by the people, for the people, and hey fuck the people.
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Post subject: Re: Sequestration
Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:49 pm
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I don't think all of these cuts are bad. I like that the Pentagon is taking some big cuts as well as the military industrial complex. There is so much waste, abuse, and fraud in those 2 areas alone!
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Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:59 pm
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Sports Hernia wrote:
I don't think all of these cuts are bad. I like that the Pentagon is taking some big cuts as well as the military industrial complex. There is so much waste, abuse, and fraud in those 2 areas alone!
A lot of cuts wouldn't be bad. There should be a ton of cuts. Just not arbitrarily across the board, and especially not in a way specifically directing they aren't "contradicting what we said the impact would be." These cuts don't target fraud, waste, and abuse anywhere. They just plays politics with people's paychecks, which is a pretty fucked up thing to do.
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do not see how you blame Obama. The republicans don't want to propose where these cuts will come from - afraid of the political backlash for cutting a popular program. It is their job to deal with it - not the presidents.
