Take your emotions and team loyalty out of this thread and tell me how far you think this team can go with Hasselbeck.

He had plenty of time to throw the ball, but missed open receivers, threw behind guys who actually caught the ball and tossed some inexplicable interceptions.

I love the guy, always will...but when I watch him play it is painfully obvious that he is not the answer. At some point we need to find out what we have in Whitehurst.

2nd INT should have been a TD to Carlson. Terrible throw by Hasselbeck that had no zip on it.

He seemed late making all of his reads.

His passes lacked zip and he underthrew alot. I question his going deep on 4th and 2.

_________________
http://pressboxlounge.blogspot.com/

the 3rd one Matt being indecisive with the ball and throwing it to late. I would honestly trade matt to Minni cause Farve has been worse than matt this year.

8-8, division champs, lose in the 1st round of playoffs (maybe we eeck out a victory and lose on the road in the divisional round but I doubt it since I think the 5 seed will be a much better team than Seattle, being home is worth something but not that much IMO).

For the record I see the same upside with Charlie at QB but........

That is the best case scenario IMO and agree that its not worth it just to get to that point. But that is the plan so I have decided to embrace it and hope it happens, nothing else to do.

He's a system QB. Take him out of Holmgren's offense and his flaws are exposed. He's old, inconstant, has a noodle arm, is injury prone, and makes questionable decisions. I love Matt as a person, but as a QB in Bates offense not so much. Like you said, this team needs to see what it has in Whitehurst sooner or later, and if Hass keeps on playing like this it's going to be sooner.

_________________
I hate Tim Ruskell.

There is something to say about QB/WR familiarness in a different offensive scheme.

Hass hasn't really developed a chemistry with this receiving core....and with Carlson, both Hass and John are in new offensive schemes. The pre-season just wasn't enought time to develop the chemistry...and hell...with the front office continually changing things, it didn't help things any (NOT that I am complaining....I think the FO did what they needed to do...huge kudos to them for having the cojones to do it).

I think the "long" reads are basically Hass not comfortable with the WR's and their pattern running. He just doesn't seem confident in them, even though they appear to be catching almost anything catchable that is thrown their way.

This is just my opinion, and what I think I'm observing. I think after the 4th game (I know, I know.....we shouldn't have to wait that long) we should see some improvement.

I agree completely. We will stick with Hass until or unless we are out of the running for the division, but I have a hard time believing our FO sees him in the plan long-term. Even if Whitehurst projects as a future backup I would like to see him get snaps in games that Hasselbeck looks utterly worthless.

I am as big a Hass supporter as you will find on this forum but it is damn difficult to defend his performance today.

_________________


"We're 11-1? We're 1-0 today and that's all that matters." -- Doug Baldwin after the MNF beatdown against the Saints

We now have better talent around him and he continues to struggle when he's pushing too hard. Let’s see what we got in CBJ even though I think Matt brings more experience to the table. Charlie just seems more accurate especially on the deep ball. But I am certain the coaches will do whats right.

Hass was horrible today. I'm normally a Hass defender but he made some bad decisions and really ugly throws to wide open receivers today.

_________________
Legal Notice: Any references made by the online entity know as SacHawk2.0 or "Sac" in regards to "RolandDeschain" or "iRo" being a pre-op tranny with an anal bead/club and nubbins fetish are entirely accurate.

The biggest problem is that Hasslebeck will only be here for THIS year. Why waste reps with Hass when you are rebuilding. I want to see what Whitehurst can do. Why get down timing when he is likely to be gone at the end of the year?

_________________

"How is it that the first drink from a tankard tastes best?" Martin Luther
"What day is it, anyway? Monday? Huh? The hell it is. It's Sunday. Sunday I always dress for dinner." Robert Neville

I hear you on the mistakes he made in the redzone. And i am really disapointed in his play today, but i just don't think Whitehurst could keep us ontime, driving the length of the field. I realize it is all for nothing when hass throws the ball away in the end but would whitehurst be able to throw a better ball (probably) but make a better read( i doubt it). I want to see Whitehurst but i doubt he would be an immediate improvement.

In Pete i trust. I would not be surprised if he benched Matt, though i don't think he will. From what i saw today i am actually pretty excited about our offense. Cut out the stupid mistakes(by everyone) and we win that game. I think Hass will bounce back next week, even against the dreaded Chargers.

Yes, at some point we will find out what we have in Whitehurst, but i would guess it won't be for at least a couple of months... at least.

_________________
"I can "see" the Niners opening up at the Clink and being choked out so bad that the Hawks send the Niners into a downward spiral of futility that will make the 2010 losing streak look like a title run." - LoafOfTatupu

Too early to pull the plug on him.. Let's talk again in 2-3 week and he continues to stink it up..

But regarding the original question.. He is good enough to win this division but lose in first round of playoff. More to do with what other teams are like in our division than anything...

Hasselbeck had a pretty bad game for sure.

But I'm old enough to remember conversations like this about Dave Krieg at the end of his run with the Hawks. We fans just couldn't wait to be rid of him and those irritating soap-dish fumbles.

And then we wandered in the QB wilderness for a long, long, long time.

So I dunno. I hesitate to abandon ship at this point.

_________________
"If he got both feet in, he... I'm gonna call him -- what do you call the guy on the trampoline? Harry Houdini or something like that?" -- Warren Moon

Because he might not be gone at the end of this year.
So I don't want to see Whitehurst in there.
I honestly think, that if chemistry can be generated between Hass and this receiving group, some good things will happen. It will NEVER be the glorious long bomb accurate throws that CBJ can do, but I still think Hass is the better QB.

I love Hass, but ever since the Super Bowl he`s gone the way of Jake Delhomme or Marc Bulger. Sad, but it`s what has happened.

_________________

He was bad today - and his flaws were on show for the world. He deserves the chance to come back but if there are more weeks of this - we will have to pull the plug.

_________________
Beast Mode...try BORG MODE

Driver of the PC/JS Bandwagon since 2010

It is my stubborn opinion here that had the defense been able to hold on 3rd and long, 3rd and short......hell, 3rd and ANYTHING, those interceptions would not have mattered as much.

Don't get me wrong....they hurt (oh man they did....I am still cleaning up the popcorn I flung all over the room in exasperation at those picks)....but the defense MUST get off the damn field and give the offense more opportunities.

NOTE: I am NOT blaming the defense here. Those guys were frickin' warriors in there...to a man. Run defense was amazing...and the shut down of the screens was beautiful after awhile....I am sick and tired of Bradley's rinky dink defensive calls and him not thinking about....you guessed it....generating a pass rush.