warner28 wrote:Yeah, he had nothing to do with it. Everyone else's fault.

Today, Matt was the reason the offense did not score 20+ points, no one else and this is not the first time he has been a disaster.

If you want to let him off the hook that is your choice but Matt is not playing at anywhere near the level he did in 2005 and IMO he is no longer capable of playing anywhere near that level on a regular basis regardless of the team around him.

Zowert wrote:
Well you don't like to look at the situation he's put in, you would rather blame it all on the QB.

He has a crap O-line protecting him, questionable receivers, a lack of a "go-to" man and an unproven offensive coordinator. What do you expect? A quarterback is limited to the team around him and in the lat couple seasons, the team around him has been a complete joke.

Trrrroy wrote:

Zowert wrote:
Well you don't like to look at the situation he's put in, you would rather blame it all on the QB.

He has a crap O-line protecting him, questionable receivers, a lack of a "go-to" man and an unproven offensive coordinator. What do you expect? A quarterback is limited to the team around him and in the lat couple seasons, the team around him has been a complete joke.

That's true to a point, but Hasselbeck's performance this game and last years Greenbay and Bucs games were nobodies fault but himself. And I'm sure Hass, being a classy guy, would say the same thing.

Zowert wrote:

Trrrroy wrote:

Zowert wrote:
Well you don't like to look at the situation he's put in, you would rather blame it all on the QB.

He has a crap O-line protecting him, questionable receivers, a lack of a "go-to" man and an unproven offensive coordinator. What do you expect? A quarterback is limited to the team around him and in the lat couple seasons, the team around him has been a complete joke.

That's true to a point, but Hasselbeck's performance this game and last years Greenbay and Bucs games were nobodies fault but himself. And I'm sure Hass, being a classy guy, would say the same thing.

So where were you last week to point this out? You were silent. Why? Cause Hass played like Hass. He just had a bad game today. Everyone has those from time to time. He's done the best he can with the cards he's been delt. He's not exactly a QB for the New England Patriots. This team is rebuilding.

Trrrroy wrote:He's had three "bad" games in the past five he's played. It's turning into a trend.

Zowert wrote:

Trrrroy wrote:He's had three "bad" games in the past five he's played. It's turning into a trend.

To be fair, the entire Seahawks had bad games. How are you going to single one player out in a 5-11 team?

warner28 wrote:Some of us have been saying it, including last week, I gave him props but mostly because he did not screw things up last week, he did nothing special last week, anytime he has been tasked with picking the team up over the last couple years he has failed.

IMO, today was closer to Hass playing like Hass but even if last week is Hass, its still no one that is going to win you a playoff game.

warner28 wrote:

Zowert wrote:

Trrrroy wrote:He's had three "bad" games in the past five he's played. It's turning into a trend.

To be fair, the entire Seahawks had bad games. How are you going to single one player out in a 5-11 team?

To be fair, we aren't singling Matt out, we are simply saying he is part of the problem, you are singling him out and excusing his play by saying everyone else is terrible.

You say he is doing the best he can do, while than his best is not good enough, award for effort now lets find someone whose best is good enough.

Zowert wrote:

MeanBlueGreen wrote:Mot sure why he is obsessed with the play down the sideline. Very few throws over the middle and, missed a critical throw late in the 3rd that would have been a difference maker - guy was open by at least 5 years. Bummer. I'm a big Hass fan but watching him live, I have to question his reads on the receivers. Opening drive looked great until he threw the pick. Went downhill from there.

Its not that Hass is obsessed with those plays, those were the cards he was delt. Hass isnt necessarily allowed to call audibles like he used to under Holmgren. He gets the play calls and tries to execute them, that's all he can do. Most of the completions Hass made were up the middle anyway, so I dont know what youre talking about.

kidhawk wrote:If you want to look objectively at hasselbeck, you have to do the same with Whitehurst and from what I've seen he's not the answer today, tomorrow, next year or ever. We wasted a pick on him and we'll still be looking for our qb of the future next year and the year after until someone figures this out. Hasselbeck is our only option at winning now.

Stiletto wrote:I guess im not sure why the focus is on JUST Hasslebeck? I saw so much garbage plays and costly penalties that it made me sick.

I mean seriously, the team self destructed on so many levels that it was embarressing.

I am not saying that he DIDNT play poorly, I'm just saying that its one area in a long list of problem areas for this team today.

Zowert wrote:

warner28 wrote:Some of us have been saying it, including last week, I gave him props but mostly because he did not screw things up last week, he did nothing special last week, anytime he has been tasked with picking the team up over the last couple years he has failed.

IMO, today was closer to Hass playing like Hass but even if last week is Hass, its still no one that is going to win you a playoff game.

He did NOTHING special last week? LOL! Were you even watching the game?

18/23 170 yards, 2 TD's and 1 rushing TD (1 int)

Hass had the best passer rating in week 1. Come on bro, you're just being a little negative.

endzorn wrote:
I love the guy, always will...but when I watch him play it is painfully obvious that he is not the answer. At some point we need to find out what we have in Whitehurst.

Zowert wrote:
Yes you are. THis whole thread is about how bad Matt sucks. I don't see an Aaron Curry, Walter Thurmond, or Seahawks defense thread.

MeanBlueGreen wrote:

Zowert wrote:

MeanBlueGreen wrote:Mot sure why he is obsessed with the play down the sideline. Very few throws over the middle and, missed a critical throw late in the 3rd that would have been a difference maker - guy was open by at least 5 years. Bummer. I'm a big Hass fan but watching him live, I have to question his reads on the receivers. Opening drive looked great until he threw the pick. Went downhill from there.

Its not that Hass is obsessed with those plays, those were the cards he was delt. Hass isnt necessarily allowed to call audibles like he used to under Holmgren. He gets the play calls and tries to execute them, that's all he can do. Most of the completions Hass made were up the middle anyway, so I dont know what youre talking about.

I'm talking about the fact that the majority of Matt's throws are to the sidelines on either swing passes or fade routes. I don't know what game you were watching today, but the one I saw today had him constantly challenging Brian Dawkins for some reason.

warner28 wrote:

Zowert wrote:
Yes you are. THis whole thread is about how bad Matt sucks. I don't see an Aaron Curry, Walter Thurmond, or Seahawks defense thread.

Really? They have been ALL OVER THE PLACE. Want me to link them for you?

Aaron Curry is right under this one, the defense was all over the game day board.

Of course they are here, we have multiple threads.

Zowert wrote:

warner28 wrote:

Zowert wrote:
Yes you are. THis whole thread is about how bad Matt sucks. I don't see an Aaron Curry, Walter Thurmond, or Seahawks defense thread.

Really? They have been ALL OVER THE PLACE. Want me to link them for you?

Aaron Curry is right under this one, the defense was all over the game day board.

Of course they are here, we have multiple threads.

Yeah in the game day thread, of course. But not in the general thread.

GeekHawk wrote:Zowert, my man. It does no good to use facts on the haters. They gonna hate.

warner28 wrote:

Zowert wrote:

warner28 wrote:Some of us have been saying it, including last week, I gave him props but mostly because he did not screw things up last week, he did nothing special last week, anytime he has been tasked with picking the team up over the last couple years he has failed.

IMO, today was closer to Hass playing like Hass but even if last week is Hass, its still no one that is going to win you a playoff game.

He did NOTHING special last week? LOL! Were you even watching the game?

18/23 170 yards, 2 TD's and 1 rushing TD (1 int)

Hass had the best passer rating in week 1. Come on bro, you're just being a little negative.

He controlled the game, I did not say different. That was what he was asked to do and he did it, that is why I gave him props last year.

Against SF he was not asked to make the difficult throw, it was the defense (not him) that kept Seattle in the game and it was the defense that was the game changer.

As I said he had a good game, it was not a great game, today a good game probably would have been enough (and is about all he is capable of nowadays IMO) but he had a bad game instead.

Today when the team really needed a Pro Bowl performance he took a dump.

warner28 wrote:

GeekHawk wrote:Zowert, my man. It does no good to use facts on the haters. They gonna hate.

Okay, so you agree that Matt is the only one getting the blame then? Ignoring the FACT (you like facts) that there are plenty of threads questioning the defense, the coaching, Curry, and pretty much everything else on the main board.

But yeah, we are the one's singling Matt out, okay


Matt is the leader, he is the veteran, he is the CAPTAIN, he gets more credit and more blame, its how it works but he is NOT being singled out as Zowart claims. Its simply not happening.

Zowert wrote:
No matter what I say you're going to do your best to discredit Hass. You love to argue.

Your point was that Hass did nothing special in the game against the 49ers....... NOTHING? Really? It was his rushing TD that gave the Hawks momentum. He was responsible for 21 points in that game.

Zowert wrote:Your point was that Hass did nothing special in the game against the 49ers....... NOTHING? Really? It was his rushing TD that gave the Hawks momentum. He was responsible for 21 points in that game.

warner28 wrote:

Zowert wrote:

warner28 wrote:Really? They have been ALL OVER THE PLACE. Want me to link them for you?

Aaron Curry is right under this one, the defense was all over the game day board.

Of course they are here, we have multiple threads.

Yeah in the game day thread, of course. But not in the general thread.

You promised that you would have me on 'ignore'. I was in Bend the last couple of days, and purposely didn't let you know.


Yes there is, several of them.

Look around man, there is a thread about defense, Curry, everything but Thurmond (whom is a rookie and frankly I expect mistakes). Everything else is all over the place, look around.

Zowert wrote:

warner28 wrote:

GeekHawk wrote:Zowert, my man. It does no good to use facts on the haters. They gonna hate.

Okay, so you agree that Matt is the only one getting the blame then? Ignoring the FACT (you like facts) that there are plenty of threads questioning the defense, the coaching, Curry, and pretty much everything else on the main board.

But yeah, we are the one's singling Matt out, okay


Matt is the leader, he is the veteran, he is the CAPTAIN, he gets more credit and more blame, its how it works but he is NOT being singled out as Zowart claims. Its simply not happening.

Uhmmm yeah! LOL! Hass has a bad game and the haters come out to play. They're silent when he plays well. Why is there no Walter Thurmond thread in the general discussion forum? It was his fumble that turned the momentum to the Broncos.

warner28 wrote:

Zowert wrote:
No matter what I say you're going to do your best to discredit Hass. You love to argue.

Your point was that Hass did nothing special in the game against the 49ers....... NOTHING? Really? It was his rushing TD that gave the Hawks momentum. He was responsible for 21 points in that game.

I gave him credit for that game, I believe the defense did more than him in San Francisco but I gave him credit for that game, he played a good game.

It was not a Pro Bowl performance IMO, I stand by that. But if you want to say it was a great performance and he won the game last week, fine. You win.

Think what you want to think about me with regards to Hass but no one is singling him out.

I am much more interested in your claim that we are singling him out because that is BS and you know it.

warner28 wrote:Because Thurmond is a ROOKIE day 2 draft pick whom made 1 mistake in his 2nd game of his career, Matt on the otherhand is a veteran who is the CAPTAIN of the team and made multiple mistakes today.

Is that a double standard? Probably but a fair one.

When Thurmond is in his 10th year as a Seahawk and a team captain and fumbles a punt return I expect a thread about it.

Zowert wrote:

warner28 wrote:

Zowert wrote:
No matter what I say you're going to do your best to discredit Hass. You love to argue.

Your point was that Hass did nothing special in the game against the 49ers....... NOTHING? Really? It was his rushing TD that gave the Hawks momentum. He was responsible for 21 points in that game.

I gave him credit for that game, I believe the defense did more than him in San Francisco but I gave him credit for that game, he played a good game.

It was not a Pro Bowl performance IMO, I stand by that. But if you want to say it was a great performance and he won the game last week, fine. You win.

Think what you want to think about me with regards to Hass but no one is singling him out.

I am much more interested in your claim that we are singling him out because that is BS and you know it.

So now you're giving him credit, after you said he did nothing special.

It was a great performance, everyone thought so. Not just me.

Trrrroy wrote:

Zowert wrote:Your point was that Hass did nothing special in the game against the 49ers....... NOTHING? Really? It was his rushing TD that gave the Hawks momentum. He was responsible for 21 points in that game.

Hmm, so when Hass does good he gets credit, but when he sucks its the team's fault. I smell a double standard.

Zowert wrote:

warner28 wrote:Because Thurmond is a ROOKIE day 2 draft pick whom made 1 mistake in his 2nd game of his career, Matt on the otherhand is a veteran who is the CAPTAIN of the team and made multiple mistakes today.

Is that a double standard? Probably but a fair one.

When Thurmond is in his 10th year as a Seahawk and a team captain and fumbles a punt return I expect a thread about it.

Regardless if he's a rookie, he's still an NFL player and he should be able to catch an F'n ball!!!! Its not like he got burned by a pro bowl receiver on a difficult route. All he had to do was catch a ball. You want to talk about 7th graders, I know a couple JV middle school football players that have never dropped a punt return.

warner28 wrote:

Zowert wrote:

warner28 wrote:Because Thurmond is a ROOKIE day 2 draft pick whom made 1 mistake in his 2nd game of his career, Matt on the otherhand is a veteran who is the CAPTAIN of the team and made multiple mistakes today.

Is that a double standard? Probably but a fair one.

When Thurmond is in his 10th year as a Seahawk and a team captain and fumbles a punt return I expect a thread about it.

Regardless if he's a rookie, he's still an NFL player and he should be able to catch an F'n ball!!!! Its not like he got burned by a pro bowl receiver on a difficult route. All he had to do was catch a ball. You want to talk about 7th graders, I know a couple JV middle school football players that have never dropped a punt return.

Then start a thread about Thurmond.

I have no expectations for Walter (and never claimed I did) so when a guy I have no expectations for fails to deliver I am not going to waste my time on it.

If it bothered you that much, start a thread, bet it gets to 3 pages really quick because Thurmond did screw up, just did not surprise me when he did.

I have expectations for Matt and Curry so those are the one's I talk about (and notice I started neither thread about them either, just responded to others posts).

warner28 wrote:Zowart,

If you actually look around this board, find the thread I started, you will notice something, the one I started was positive and optimistic about this season.


Even my first post in this thread was far from an attack of Matt, Matt is an average NFL QB and I expect him to play like today often and like last week often, neither is good enough to win in the playoffs IMO, I want a QB that can win in the playoffs, Matt ain't that guy anymore IMO.

cknoxxhawk wrote:IMO I wish "stash" would give it a rest. history told the tale in all other aspects of life, why should hawks football be any different?
like others have said, I'm a hassle fan, but not one with blind faith in his future play.

I hate to say it but I too would like to find out what we have in cbj before we beat this horse and gloss over looking for the magical draft pick. btw if you think it's Locker you're not sober.

really like the guy but, no, I just think this team needs new blood behind center.

Mjolnir wrote:There is something to say about QB/WR familiarness in a different offensive scheme.

Hass hasn't really developed a chemistry with this receiving core....and with Carlson, both Hass and John are in new offensive schemes. The pre-season just wasn't enought time to develop the chemistry...and hell...with the front office continually changing things, it didn't help things any (NOT that I am complaining....I think the FO did what they needed to do...huge kudos to them for having the cojones to do it).

I think the "long" reads are basically Hass not comfortable with the WR's and their pattern running. He just doesn't seem confident in them, even though they appear to be catching almost anything catchable that is thrown their way.

This is just my opinion, and what I think I'm observing. I think after the 4th game (I know, I know.....we shouldn't have to wait that long) we should see some improvement.

imnKOgnito wrote:

kidhawk wrote:If you want to look objectively at hasselbeck, you have to do the same with Whitehurst and from what I've seen he's not the answer today, tomorrow, next year or ever. We wasted a pick on him and we'll still be looking for our qb of the future next year and the year after until someone figures this out. Hasselbeck is our only option at winning now.

How do you know this about Whitehurst without ever seeing him in a regular season situation? If you want to compare Whitehurst with Hasselbeck you put them under center with the same
supporting cast. That's not something that's been done to this point.