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http://espn.go.com/nfl/standings/_/type ... rder/false

I dont get why Minnesota would be ahead of Seattle since we beat Minnesota? Is this just a mistake, or am I not understanding this right? :?:


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They have it wrong. First tiebreaker is head to head.


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because its espn and they are morons lol


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Thats what I thought!!! I just wanted to make sure!


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Is it a 3way tie?


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Is it a 3way tie?

It is. TB, Min, and Sea. However, Minnesota would be eliminated by the head to head tiebreaker having lost to both teams, and Seattle would then beat out Tampa with a better conference winning percentage.


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Is it a 3way tie?

It is. TB, Min, and Sea. However, Minnesota would be eliminated by the head to head tiebreaker having lost to both teams, and Seattle would then beat out Tampa with a better conference winning percentage.


That's a change then. I believe in 1988 or so Hawks lost in 3 way tie, even though they defeated both teams. Or, they beat one team, who had defeated the other. Something whacky.


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TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM

If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.

1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.

Two Clubs

1. Head-to-head, if applicable.
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
4. Strength of victory.
5. Strength of schedule.
6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best net points in conference games.
9. Best net points in all games.
10. Best net touchdowns in all games.
11. Coin toss.

Three or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in conference games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

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They have it right. If it's a 3 way tie the first tiebreaker is whoever has the best conference record (which is Minnesota).


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They have it right. If it's a 3 way tie the first tiebreaker is whoever has the best conference record (which is Minnesota).


NOO! Its because ESPN is stupid.


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It's because ESPN still has us as losing to Green Bay on MNF...


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They have it wrong. First tiebreaker is head to head.

Yup what he said Typical ESPN shit. I have grown to really dislike them over the last few years.

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 Post subject: Re: Why does ESPN say Minnesota is ahead of Seattle?
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Told you guys, Tampa Bay will not win a wildcard, they just end up screwing the Seahawks over.


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Is it a 3way tie?

It is. TB, Min, and Sea. However, Minnesota would be eliminated by the head to head tiebreaker having lost to both teams, and Seattle would then beat out Tampa with a better conference winning percentage.


+1

That's correct. I was confused on this too for a while. The three-way head to head is what confused me. But what you just mentioned is exactly right.

In this case, ESPN is wrong.

NFL.com has the correct seeding and current playoff picture, as was mentioned in another thread.

http://www.nfl.com/playoffs/playoff-picture

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ESPN is wrong, NFL.com is right.

ESPN has the correct tie-breaking procedure written on their site (a replica of what's on NFL.com), however, they didn't seem to think it through before putting up their playoff seeds. Which makes sense, because they literally went up RIGHT after the Bucs game- in an effort to be the quickest, they completely failed at giving any sort of accuracy.

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 Post subject: Re: Why does ESPN say Minnesota is ahead of Seattle?
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Just in case anyone is still confused.....


http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures
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Three or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.


This does not apply, all 3 are still tied, move to step 2.

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2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)


Minnesota lost to both Tampa and Seattle and therefore are elminated. It is now a 2 way tie between Seattle and Tampa.

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(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

1. Head-to-head, if applicable.


Not applicable

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Step 2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.


Seahawks are 4-4, Buccaneers are 3-4.

Seahawks get the 6th seed, ESPN is wrong.

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They have it wrong. First tiebreaker is head to head.

Yup what he said Typical ESPN shit. I have grown to really dislike them over the last few years.

Or read the thread and realize ESPN is right. :34853_doh:

Or maybe you need to study the process a bit further and realize they are not.

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They have it wrong. First tiebreaker is head to head.

Yup what he said Typical ESPN shit. I have grown to really dislike them over the last few years.


Either you cant read or your trolling


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They have it wrong. First tiebreaker is head to head.

Yup what he said Typical ESPN shit. I have grown to really dislike them over the last few years.


Either you cant read or your trolling


huh?


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They have it wrong. First tiebreaker is head to head.

Yup what he said Typical ESPN shit. I have grown to really dislike them over the last few years.


Either you cant read or your trolling

Trolling? :pukeface: :229031_banghead:

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They have it wrong. First tiebreaker is head to head.

Yup what he said Typical ESPN shit. I have grown to really dislike them over the last few years.

Or read the thread and realize ESPN is right. :34853_doh:


No dude.. the media hates Seattle and clearly the media is keeping them out of the playoffs :mrgreen:

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[quote="edogg23Or read the thread and realize ESPN is right. :34853_doh:


No dude.. the media hates Seattle and clearly the media is keeping them out of the playoffs :mrgreen:[/quote]

Has nothing to do with your over generalization. My comment had nothing to do with media hate or over reaction. ESPN is now bigger in dollars than the NFL. They have become gods in their own mind.

For those who actually look at their reporting and watching the trends of this organization they will see that ESPN is trying to tell the world what is what with everything to do with sport. You can have your man crush on them.

All I said was I was I have really grown to dislike them. Why the hell am I not alowed my opinion and likes and dislikes without you telling me I am "WRONG"???

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Always just check out NFL.com for things like this. They will have the right info on there.

Seahawks are #6 seed as of today.

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Always just check out NFL.com for things like this. They will have the right info on there.

Seahawks are #6 seed as of today.


Phew! Thank goodness for that. I was worried we were out of playoff contention there for a minute...

Wait, I just remembered, this whole thread is completely pointless and the playoff standings right now are meaningless.

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I am just curious if ESPN will fix it not.


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Always just check out NFL.com for things like this. They will have the right info on there.

Seahawks are #6 seed as of today.


Phew! Thank goodness for that. I was worried we were out of playoff contention there for a minute...

Wait, I just remembered, this whole thread is completely pointless and the playoff standings right now are meaningless.


Good point, I'd rather be 1-9 so we wouldn't have to deal with these stupid threads.


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Always just check out NFL.com for things like this. They will have the right info on there.

Seahawks are #6 seed as of today.


Phew! Thank goodness for that. I was worried we were out of playoff contention there for a minute...

Wait, I just remembered, this whole thread is completely pointless and the playoff standings right now are meaningless.


We get it, you don't like this thread.

In my opinion, though, it's good to keep a beat on playoff seeds, now that we are working our way into Week 12. It makes things much more interesting to keep track of at this point. True, it may not matter too much right now, as a lot can (and will) change before the end of Week 17. But I guarantee you will not simply ignore the next 5 weeks, and I challenge you to not take a look at the playoff picture until we finish our last game of the season against the Rams. Each week from here on out is important, and it's nice to know where we stand- even if it's not final.

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Always just check out NFL.com for things like this. They will have the right info on there.

Seahawks are #6 seed as of today.


Phew! Thank goodness for that. I was worried we were out of playoff contention there for a minute...

Wait, I just remembered, this whole thread is completely pointless and the playoff standings right now are meaningless.


We get it, you don't like this thread.

In my opinion, though, it's good to keep a beat on playoff seeds, now that we are working our way into Week 12. It makes things much more interesting to keep track of at this point. True, it may not matter too much right now, as a lot can (and will) change before the end of Week 17. But I guarantee you will not simply ignore the next 5 weeks, and I challenge you to not take a look at the playoff picture until we finish our last game of the season against the Rams. Each week from here on out is important, and it's nice to know where we stand- even if it's not final.


He was just joking. everyone got it except you. at least that will be the story.

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This from CBS sports:

Seattle and Tampa Bay are ahead of Minnesota based on head to head sweep (2-0). Seattle is ahead of Tampa Bay based on conference record (4-4 to the Buccaneers' 3-4).

Nuf said for all you ESPN junkies. Go look at ESPN's own made up system for grading QB's. (no, no one else especaily the NFL knew what was right, they needed to created their own system).

According to them Jake Locker is the 7th best QB in football and RW is only the 18th. GIVE ME A BREAk. You can make what ever stats you want to justifiy your opinion especially when they are as subjective as the opinions of the ESPN writers.

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Always just check out NFL.com for things like this. They will have the right info on there.

Seahawks are #6 seed as of today.


Phew! Thank goodness for that. I was worried we were out of playoff contention there for a minute...

Wait, I just remembered, this whole thread is completely pointless and the playoff standings right now are meaningless.

So did we ever make the playoffs or not? I got lost in here somehow.


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Always just check out NFL.com for things like this. They will have the right info on there.

Seahawks are #6 seed as of today.


Phew! Thank goodness for that. I was worried we were out of playoff contention there for a minute...

Wait, I just remembered, this whole thread is completely pointless and the playoff standings right now are meaningless.

So did we ever make the playoffs or not? I got lost in here somehow.


Nope, but at least we got a top 5 pick in the draft. (though apparently we lost 2 double secret rolls for position knocking us back from pick 3). Suck for Luck, suck for Luck, suck for Luck!!! Yay.

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