Russell Wilson is very close to having thrown for over 20TD's in his very first season.

Kid is the real deal. Come on FO give him the green light. Go Hawks!!!

I posted this in another thread comparing RW to hasslebeck. Here are a few interesting observations:

Hass only has 2 seasons (14 seasons) with a 90+ QB rating- 2005= 98.2, 2007= 91.4
RW is sitting at 93.9 QB rating.

Hass has 5 (of 14 seasons) seasons with YPA over 7.0 -2002= 7.3, 2003= 7.5, 2004=7.1, 2005=7.7, 2007=7.1
RW is at 7.3 YPA

Hass has 4 seasons with 20+ TD passes- 2003= 26, 2004= 22, 2005=24, 2007= 28.
RW has 17 TD passes.

Russell Wilson so far is on track to hit or exceed each of these marks, which is incredibly impressive, when you compare him to arguably the best QB in franchise history.

Here's another stat: Hass went to the SB with this team. Russell?

In a season where the first half was devoted to the run, to limit the amount of passing he'd have to do while learning the ropes as a rookie, Wilson has some pretty impressive numbers.

We've been talking all season about how Wilson wasn't passing enough, but compare the first part of the season with now. Before, we were complaining that he wasn't cutting it as quarterback because he couldn't pass for even 200 yards a game. Now we're saying we want to see more passing because not only is that becoming the dominant part of our offensive game, it's because he's showing he's just that good.

Oh, and he has five games left to throw nine touchdowns for the rookie record. And five left to throw three more to get to that 20 TD plateau.

Seahawk Sailor wrote:
Oh, and he has five games left to throw nine touchdowns for the rookie record. And five left to throw three more to get to that 20 TD plateau.

I was down on Griffin a couple weeks ago for regressing off his fast start...but it could be tough for Wilson to hold off Griffin (who shot from 8 TDs to 16 in the past two weeks). It could be a case where both these guys tie/break the record.

Jac wrote:

Seahawk Sailor wrote:
Oh, and he has five games left to throw nine touchdowns for the rookie record. And five left to throw three more to get to that 20 TD plateau.

I was down on Griffin a couple weeks ago for regressing off his fast start...but it could be tough for Wilson to hold off Griffin (who shot from 8 TDs to 16 in the past two weeks). It could be a case where both these guys tie/break the record.

If only he could play the Cowboys and Eagles every week!

LymonHawk wrote:Here's another stat: Hass went to the SB with this team. Russell?

It took Hass a few years. Give Russell some time, man!

Shaun Alexander scoring from inside the 5 many many times probably did a lot to deflate Hass' TD numbers.

HawkFan72 wrote:

LymonHawk wrote:Here's another stat: Hass went to the SB with this team. Russell?

It took Hass a few years. Give Russell some time, man!

The only two stats that matter are; W-L, and Super Bowls. The rest is just so much masturbation.

The rest is just so much masturbation.

"So Much Masturbation," is the name of my upcoming jazz-xylophone album.

LymonHawk wrote:

HawkFan72 wrote:

LymonHawk wrote:Here's another stat: Hass went to the SB with this team. Russell?

It took Hass a few years. Give Russell some time, man!

The only two stats that matter are; W-L, and Super Bowls. The rest is just so much masturbation.

If you are going to take that stance -

Hass and Wilson have won the same number of Super Bowls. The rest is just masturbation. Who cares if Hass went to a Super Bowl on SA's back? Moreover, Wilson hasn't even finished a season and could lead this team to their first SB win this year. He hasn't even failed at it yet.

But to trun anti-troll down a little - Wilson has exceeded all expectations and has been great.

Hasselbeck wrote:Shaun Alexander scoring from inside the 5 many many times probably did a lot to deflate Hass' TD numbers.

And Alexander running for 1800 yards over the course of the season probably made it a little easier for Hass, just as Lynch is making it easier for Wilson.

TDOTSEAHAWK wrote:
If you are going to take that stance -

Hass and Wilson have won the same number of Super Bowls. The rest is just masturbation. Who cares if Hass went to a Super Bowl on SA's back? Moreover, Wilson hasn't even finished a season and could lead this team to their first SB win this year. He hasn't even failed at it yet.

But to trun anti-troll down a little - Wilson has exceeded all expectations and has been great.

He had to take the two things that he thinks Hass has an edge in and then declare those to be the only things that matter and we shouldn't talk about anything else. Way to turn it right back at him.

Be it far from me as a fan to actually enjoy a superb storyline that is being created before my eyes on my favorite Sports team. I guess in Seattle we are so elitist that we can't stoop to being jazzed up for a great first Season by a kid that is in all probability (barring injury) going to be one of (if not the) greatest QB of all time.

Way to go Russell. What you are doing is phenomenal. I love it. I appreciate it. I recognize it. I am reveling in it. We all know there is enough negativity in following sports, so I am going to enjoy all the positives that I can.

LymonHawk wrote:Here's another stat: Hass went to the SB with this team. Russell?

Uh, How many times has Russell Wilson failed to get us to the Super Bowl? Yeah, that's what I thought.

I think your reply to this thread was a premature ejaculation.

Scottemojo wrote:

LymonHawk wrote:Here's another stat: Hass went to the SB with this team. Russell?

Uh, How many times has Russell Wilson failed to get us to the Super Bowl? Yeah, that's what I thought.

I think your reply to this thread was a premature ejaculation.

Not bad. But, what I'm trying to say is: If you're going to compare Wilson to Hass stats, then use the ones that count. Not a bunch of froo-froo. All his wonderful stats didn't stop RW from throwing that pass to Lynch.

For the Record: I like Wilson. I root for whomever plays for us. But, what I do have a problem with is this god-like adoration some folks on this board obviously have. People already have him in the HOF, and compare him to Farve and Montana. Have you noticed when we win it is all because of RW, but if we lose, it is never his fault? The Teflon Man!!

Flynn would already have the NFL record since he throws for 6 TDs a game.

What the hell is wrong with some of these seahawk fans... Today on KJR they had idiots calling up talking about how terrible our qb is and that we need flynn to start if we are going to make the playoffs... then on here saying hes overrated and seahawk fans shouldn't be excited for him. If you want to go apples for apples lymonhawk compare hasselbecks first season starting to russell wilsons first season starting....

StaffAmerica74 wrote:What the hell is wrong with some of these seahawk fans... Today on KJR they had idiots calling up talking about how terrible our qb is and that we need flynn to start if we are going to make the playoffs... then on here saying hes overrated and seahawk fans shouldn't be excited for him. If you want to go apples for apples lymonhawk compare hasselbecks first season starting to russell wilsons first season starting....

I didn't call KJR; nor have I ever said Flynn should be starting. Nor have I ever said RW is terrible. I dare you to show me a post of mine where I said that! C'mon, show me. Prove it!

In Hass' first season, no one was calling him a HOFer. That's the major difference.

I already like him more than Hasselbeck. Why?

Because Wilson actually does have the "it" factor. You can see it in his eyes.

Hass? We always hoped he had the "it" factor but I don't think he ever did. He just couldn't make ice cream outta horse $hit.
Wilson can. I haven't seen eyes like Wilson's since Joe Montana. So calm, so collected, with a sea of anarchy going on all around him.

We have the real deal here folks. The Joe Cool comparison is valid.

Jac wrote:

Seahawk Sailor wrote:
Oh, and he has five games left to throw nine touchdowns for the rookie record. And five left to throw three more to get to that 20 TD plateau.

I was down on Griffin a couple weeks ago for regressing off his fast start...but it could be tough for Wilson to hold off Griffin (who shot from 8 TDs to 16 in the past two weeks). It could be a case where both these guys tie/break the record.

And doesn't Griffin have a grip of rushing touchdowns? He or Martin should be ROY. I think Luck is probably #4 at this point, behind Russell. Great year for rookie production.

minormillikin wrote:

The rest is just so much masturbation.

"So Much Masturbation," is the name of my upcoming jazz-xylophone album.

<starwarsnerd> Are you a Jizz Wailer? </starwarsnerd>

-SH



Mods: I know this is the main forum; but that's actually what the Max Rebo band in Return of the Jedi played, haha...

LymonHawk wrote:For the Record: I like Wilson. I root for whomever plays for us. But, what I do have a problem with is this god-like adoration some folks on this board obviously have. People already have him in the HOF, and compare him to Farve and Montana. Have you noticed when we win it is all because of RW, but if we lose, it is never his fault? The Teflon Man!!

Honestly, who gives a flying f-word whether those fans get a little over excited? Or if they celebrate his great year by comparing him favourably (and not unfairly) to previous seasons by one of the best and most successful quarterbacks in Seahawks history? If you're going to get bent out of shape about that, why are you even a Seahawks fan?

Fancy that - a god-like admiration for the teams starting quarterback. Whatever next? A keen interest in the fortunes of the teams running back? An over-exuberant celebration during Golden Tate's latest touchdown? Shocking behaviour for a fan.

But at least you've taken the time to reassure us you 'like' Wilson and 'root for whomever plays' for the Seahawks. What a relief! There was me wondering if you were even willing to take such a giant leap of faith. Kudos for that.

Russell Wilson is having a terrific first season as the Seahawks starting quarterback and nobody should be trying to put a lid on that. It's OK to be excited about this team. And the OP using Hasselbeck's stats to emphasise just how well Wilson is doing this year is a fine way of doing just that.

On one hand, I like being analytical about my team. On the other hand, I've learned this year that sometimes we try too hard to be detached because it's the trend in some fan circles, and forget to pump our arms and yell. So I'm trying to be both.

It's not easy.

theENGLISHseahawk wrote:

LymonHawk wrote:For the Record: I like Wilson. I root for whomever plays for us. But, what I do have a problem with is this god-like adoration some folks on this board obviously have. People already have him in the HOF, and compare him to Farve and Montana. Have you noticed when we win it is all because of RW, but if we lose, it is never his fault? The Teflon Man!!

Honestly, who gives a flying f-word whether those fans get a little over excited? Or if they celebrate his great year by comparing him favourably (and not unfairly) to previous seasons by one of the best and most successful quarterbacks in Seahawks history? If you're going to get bent out of shape about that, why are you even a Seahawks fan?

Fancy that - a god-like admiration for the teams starting quarterback. Whatever next? A keen interest in the fortunes of the teams running back? An over-exuberant celebration during Golden Tate's latest touchdown? Shocking behaviour for a fan.

But at least you've taken the time to reassure us you 'like' Wilson and 'root for whomever plays' for the Seahawks. What a relief! There was me wondering if you were even willing to take such a giant leap of faith. Kudos for that.

Russell Wilson is having a terrific first season as the Seahawks starting quarterback and nobody should be trying to put a lid on that. It's OK to be excited about this team. And the OP using Hasselbeck's stats to emphasise just how well Wilson is doing this year is a fine way of doing just that.

Let me guess: You have a little alter in your living room, with a picture of RW on it, and burning candles on both sides...incense too? Am I right?

LymonHawk wrote:Let me guess: You have a little alter in your living room, with a picture of RW on it, and burning candles on both sides...incense too? Am I right?

No, I'm an atheist and dislike the scent of incense.

LymonHawk wrote:Let me guess: You have a little alter in your living room, with a picture of RW on it, and burning candles on both sides...incense too? Am I right?

I have something similar to that. I also have a Marshawn Lynch Fathead on the ceiling above my bed. What of it?

My first post here. I wear my Hasselbeck Jersy every gameday. What our team lacks is age old. Defenseive backs getting burned or commiting fouls, what is there "mission statement" anyway? And little protection from the O line! I see it every week. Wilson is good. Offensive line is bad. Also affecting the ability to run when Lynch get hit 3 yds deep almost every time.
Come on Seahawks, get fired up, ready to go!

I knew before I even clicked on this thread what would happen here.

Someone posts about how good Russell Wilson is doing by comparing his numbers to Hasslebeck's as a point of context

Somebody takes offense to the comparison that would imply that Wilson is better than Hasslebeck.

Somebody takes offense to that person taking offense.

The initial person who took offense has his fanhood questioned.

Thread devolves into standard back and forth of "He's a rookie and hasn't proven anything yet" to "He reminds me of Joe Montana".

Good work fellas, medals of valor awarded to both sides.

seahawk2k wrote:I knew before I even clicked on this thread what would happen here.

Someone posts about how good Russell Wilson is doing by comparing his numbers to Hasslebeck's as a point of context

Somebody takes offense to the comparison that would imply that Wilson is better than Hasslebeck.

Somebody takes offense to that person taking offense.

The initial person who took offense has his fanhood questioned.

Thread devolves into standard back and forth of "He's a rookie and hasn't proven anything yet" to "He reminds me of Joe Montana".

Good work fellas, medals of valor awarded to both sides.

Albert? Is that you?

theENGLISHseahawk wrote: the OP using Hasselbeck's stats to emphasise just how well Wilson is doing this year is a fine way of doing just that.

[x] Gets it
[ ] Does not get it

LymonHawk wrote:For the Record: I like Wilson. I root for whomever plays for us. But, what I do have a problem with is this god-like adoration some folks on this board obviously have. People already have him in the HOF, and compare him to Farve and Montana. Have you noticed when we win it is all because of RW, but if we lose, it is never his fault? The Teflon Man!!

THANK. YOU. SO SO MUCH.

Zebulon Dak wrote:

LymonHawk wrote:Let me guess: You have a little alter in your living room, with a picture of RW on it, and burning candles on both sides...incense too? Am I right?

I have something similar to that. I also have a Marshawn Lynch Fathead on the ceiling above my bed. What of it?

The difference being you have a picture of pehawk on your alter....and please, let's not talk about the stains on the fathead.

LymonHawk wrote:
In Hass' first season, no one was calling him a HOFer. That's the major difference.

That probably has to do with the fact that in Hass' first season, his stats and performances were FAR worse than what we're seeing from Wilson right now.

Yeah, part of that has to do with Wilson having a better team around him, and I agree that people talking HoF for Wilson are out of bounds.

But it's not far fetched to suggest that based on performances thus far, Wilson stands a very good chance at being our best QB ever.

LymonHawk wrote:

Zebulon Dak wrote:

LymonHawk wrote:Let me guess: You have a little alter in your living room, with a picture of RW on it, and burning candles on both sides...incense too? Am I right?

I have something similar to that. I also have a Marshawn Lynch Fathead on the ceiling above my bed. What of it?

The difference being you have a picture of pehawk on your alter....and please, let's not talk about the stains on the fathead.

No, it's a picture of RW. A big one. Because he's awesome and amazing and funny and handsome and smart and talented and handsome.

I can't understand why anybody cares how much people like him.

Zebulon Dak wrote:

LymonHawk wrote:

Zebulon Dak wrote:
I have something similar to that. I also have a Marshawn Lynch Fathead on the ceiling above my bed. What of it?

The difference being you have a picture of pehawk on your alter....and please, let's not talk about the stains on the fathead.

No, it's a picture of RW. A big one. Because he's awesome and amazing and funny and handsome and smart and talented and handsome.

I can't understand why anybody cares how much people like him.

That's because you aren't one of the cool kids. If you were one of the cool kids, you would know that a big part of coolness is not liking anything too much or too little, but just the right amount.

Hasselbeck wrote:

LymonHawk wrote:For the Record: I like Wilson. I root for whomever plays for us. But, what I do have a problem with is this god-like adoration some folks on this board obviously have. People already have him in the HOF, and compare him to Farve and Montana. Have you noticed when we win it is all because of RW, but if we lose, it is never his fault? The Teflon Man!!

THANK. YOU. SO SO MUCH.

You mean the god-like adoration for a guy who is having one of the greatest rookie campaigns ever for a quarterback? One that compares favorably to every QB who has ever lived including Favre and Montana.

Yeah, I am not impressed either.

Scottemojo wrote:

Zebulon Dak wrote:

LymonHawk wrote:The difference being you have a picture of pehawk on your alter....and please, let's not talk about the stains on the fathead.

No, it's a picture of RW. A big one. Because he's awesome and amazing and funny and handsome and smart and talented and handsome.

I can't understand why anybody cares how much people like him.

That's because you aren't one of the cool kids. If you were one of the cool kids, you would know that a big part of coolness is not liking anything too much or too little, but just the right amount.

I love the Fonz! Not as much as I love RW but I love the Fonz! I loved Hass too! And TJ!! I support the players on our team! Even Leroy and Tru and Breno! Crazy, I know. Cray.

LymonHawk wrote:Here's another stat: Hass went to the SB with this team. Russell?

Hass had a totally different team with a far superior O-Line, but yeah.

Zebulon Dak wrote:I can't understand why anybody cares how much people like him.

Yea, I kinda noticed that too
Trouble is, the kid is so damned easy to root for, , been that way everywhere he goes....and now it's those darned Seahawks fans have just latched onto something really positive about the team, and just refuse to let go, hmmm , go figgure

SA had 5x of 10TD's+ of rushing. Which his highest was 27TD's in 2005
Lynch has only 1x of 10TD's or more. Which his highest was 12

Hasselbeck wrote:Shaun Alexander scoring from inside the 5 many many times probably did a lot to deflate Hass' TD numbers.

Or deflated his int's.

scutterhawk wrote:

LymonHawk wrote:Here's another stat: Hass went to the SB with this team. Russell?

Hass had a totally different team with a far superior O-Line, but yeah.

This only applies if Hass took the Hawks to the SB in his first season as a starter...well, did he Lymon?

LymonHawk wrote:

StaffAmerica74 wrote:What the hell is wrong with some of these seahawk fans... Today on KJR they had idiots calling up talking about how terrible our qb is and that we need flynn to start if we are going to make the playoffs... then on here saying hes overrated and seahawk fans shouldn't be excited for him. If you want to go apples for apples lymonhawk compare hasselbecks first season starting to russell wilsons first season starting....

I didn't call KJR; nor have I ever said Flynn should be starting. Nor have I ever said RW is terrible. I dare you to show me a post of mine where I said that! C'mon, show me. Prove it!

In Hass' first season, no one was calling him a HOFer. That's the major difference.

'In Hass' first season' he stunk up the place. Maybe that's why, eh?

It is true, Hasselbeck did play like dog crap his first season, and Russ is doing work on these fools in his first.

He's set 2 rookie records and is on pace to break 2 more (though RGIII might do better overall, since he has the luxury of two more games against the Eagles and Cowboys, whereas Russ has to play 3 of the top 6 passing defenses).

He's also on course to set the franchise record for passer rating.

Is it wrong to be optimistic of his future?

Throwdown wrote:It is true, Hasselbeck did play like dog crap his first season, and Russ is doing work on these fools in his first.

Actually, that was his 4th season. Wilson still has 3 more years to learn and improve before all things are equal. Hasselbeck didn't throw for 20TDs till his 6th NFL season and didn't have over a 90 passer rating till his 8th NFL season.

THAT is how good Russell Wilson has been. He is going to rewrite every Seahawks passing record. Enjoy the ride.

themunn wrote:He's set 2 rookie records and is on pace to break 2 more (though RGIII might do better overall, since he has the luxury of two more games against the Eagles and Cowboys, whereas Russ has to play 3 of the top 6 passing defenses).

He's also on course to set the franchise record for passer rating.

Is it wrong to be optimistic of his future?

Please let me know when breaks the rookie record for wins.

Thank you.

No, there is nothing wrong with being optimistic of his future. However, IMHO, it is wrong to call him a HOFer before the season began.

LymonHawk wrote:

themunn wrote:He's set 2 rookie records and is on pace to break 2 more (though RGIII might do better overall, since he has the luxury of two more games against the Eagles and Cowboys, whereas Russ has to play 3 of the top 6 passing defenses).

He's also on course to set the franchise record for passer rating.

Is it wrong to be optimistic of his future?

Please let me know when breaks the rookie record for wins.

Thank you.

His next win will be the Seahawks rookie record for wins. Rick Mirer won 6 games as a rookie in 1993. I will be sure to let you know when he breaks that record.

LymonHawk wrote:

themunn wrote:He's set 2 rookie records and is on pace to break 2 more (though RGIII might do better overall, since he has the luxury of two more games against the Eagles and Cowboys, whereas Russ has to play 3 of the top 6 passing defenses).

He's also on course to set the franchise record for passer rating.

Is it wrong to be optimistic of his future?

Please let me know when breaks the rookie record for wins.

Thank you.

Because football's an individual game and the quarterback is solely reponsible for whether or not the team wins, right?
Do you know which rookie holds the record for wins in the postseason?
Mark Sanchez

That must mean that unless Wilson wins 3 post season games, Sanchez was a better rookie, right? I mean, Sanchez was not only good enough to lead his team to the playoffs, but he then won 2 games while he was there!

Peyton Manning only won 3 games in his rookie season so there's no way he could be as good as Ryan Leaf who won just as many, but in just 10 games!

Get a grip