Jazzhawk wrote:The early draft should go to stud RT and another guard.
pehawk wrote:Haha, Montana and English think Jazz and 515 are dumb! You got a "groan" and a "that worked well last time".
Montanta and English remind me of Jimmy Fallon's IT guy character from SNL, anytime non-cred draft person speaks.
Dummies!
pehawk wrote:Chip on my shoulder?
Jeez, lighten up nancy. Or learn to laugh at yourself a bit.
hawksfan515 wrote:pehawk wrote:Haha, Montana and English think Jazz and 515 are dumb! You got a "groan" and a "that worked well last time".
Montanta and English remind me of Jimmy Fallon's IT guy character from SNL, anytime non-cred draft person speaks.
Dummies!
I was using intense sarcasm in my post, for the record. While I am not really against spending a whole bunch of 1st rounders on O-line (whole bunch of people wanted Decastro last year... not me), we have bigger needs, and cohesion on the line is a need too, and that comes with time.
Scottemojo wrote:The best player on the Hawks is Wilson. Now, all the bullshit about his height is kind of annoying, but there is one truth about his stature: he will never get the full benefit from a pristine pocket. He just won't. So, having linemen who are just league average is ok, since our QB does some of his best work from outside the pocket anyway.
So, unless the lineman who falls to our drafting spot miraculously is freakin awesome, I am all for giving the Russ some more weapons. Or replacing Hll. Or getting a DT who will make the pocket uncomfortable.
I will bet some dollars the Hawks front office agrees with me. There will be no lineman selected with the first pick.
hawksfan515 wrote:Scottemojo wrote:The best player on the Hawks is Wilson. Now, all the bullshit about his height is kind of annoying, but there is one truth about his stature: he will never get the full benefit from a pristine pocket. He just won't. So, having linemen who are just league average is ok, since our QB does some of his best work from outside the pocket anyway.
So, unless the lineman who falls to our drafting spot miraculously is freakin awesome, I am all for giving the Russ some more weapons. Or replacing Hll. Or getting a DT who will make the pocket uncomfortable.
I will bet some dollars the Hawks front office agrees with me. There will be no lineman selected with the first pick.
Wilson the best player on the Hawks? woah that is a little too high of praise....
Scottemojo wrote:hawksfan515 wrote:Scottemojo wrote:The best player on the Hawks is Wilson. Now, all the bullshit about his height is kind of annoying, but there is one truth about his stature: he will never get the full benefit from a pristine pocket. He just won't. So, having linemen who are just league average is ok, since our QB does some of his best work from outside the pocket anyway.
So, unless the lineman who falls to our drafting spot miraculously is freakin awesome, I am all for giving the Russ some more weapons. Or replacing Hll. Or getting a DT who will make the pocket uncomfortable.
I will bet some dollars the Hawks front office agrees with me. There will be no lineman selected with the first pick.
Wilson the best player on the Hawks? woah that is a little too high of praise....
Nope. It is accurate. Best/most important. He is both.
Scottemojo wrote:The best player on the Hawks is Wilson. Now, all the bullshit about his height is kind of annoying, but there is one truth about his stature: he will never get the full benefit from a pristine pocket. He just won't. So, having linemen who are just league average is ok, since our QB does some of his best work from outside the pocket anyway.
So, unless the lineman who falls to our drafting spot miraculously is freakin awesome, I am all for giving the Russ some more weapons. Or replacing Hll. Or getting a DT who will make the pocket uncomfortable.
I will bet some dollars the Hawks front office agrees with me. There will be no lineman selected with the first pick.
sutz wrote:Scottemojo wrote:The best player on the Hawks is Wilson. Now, all the bullshit about his height is kind of annoying, but there is one truth about his stature: he will never get the full benefit from a pristine pocket. He just won't. So, having linemen who are just league average is ok, since our QB does some of his best work from outside the pocket anyway.
So, unless the lineman who falls to our drafting spot miraculously is freakin awesome, I am all for giving the Russ some more weapons. Or replacing Hll. Or getting a DT who will make the pocket uncomfortable.
I will bet some dollars the Hawks front office agrees with me. There will be no lineman selected with the first pick.
Well, maybe a defensive lineman.
hawksfan515 wrote:Scottemojo wrote:hawksfan515 wrote:
Wilson the best player on the Hawks? woah that is a little too high of praise....
Nope. It is accurate. Best/most important. He is both.
Better than Sherman?
I have a hard time arguing Russell Wilson is the 3rd best rookie QB with some people (not Hawk fans though). But the best player on a pretty talented Seahawk team??? Uhhhhh..... that's pretty cool.... but I don't really think so..... Maybe most important I guess.
Scottemojo wrote:Yeah, better than Sherman. And don't get me wrong, I really like Sherman. Our QB is quietly one of the two or three best QBs in the entire league since week 5.
Happypuppy wrote:Best player available. We are at the point we can do it. OL is pretty far down my need list. I'd look to D first. I'd like a DT that cold play every down and get some serious pressure up the middle. If we had Jones, Irvin , Clemons and a new beast DT ..look out
Kelly.Orr wrote:Happypuppy wrote:Best player available. We are at the point we can do it. OL is pretty far down my need list. I'd look to D first. I'd like a DT that cold play every down and get some serious pressure up the middle. If we had Jones, Irvin , Clemons and a new beast DT ..look out
Point is there really aren't any that i see that can dominate a game like a Suh, Ngata, Atkins. I just don't see it here. Before you want to bash taking an olineman due to continuity? Look at how much continuity we have had? Pretty much none. Only ones who have played at their position the entire season are Okung, Unger, Giacomini. I think everyone here can say we definitely would be near the bottom in pass protection if it wasn't for Russell's ability to run. Flynn back there? Pretty sure he would have been hurt already. I wish Carpenter could get consistent and stay in the lineup because i think he could become very good on the left side. But maybe we should draft an OG in the first round and RT in the 3rd. I am thinking HIll's replacement in the second round. Right now though i think everyone can say Giacomini has been better lately but he is definitely the weakpoint. Neither Moffit nor Carpenter seem to want to put a lock on who is going to be our LG. Although Carpenter's recent injury could give Moffit a leg up. We can sit here all day everyday and try to predict what this FO should draft and is going to draft. But recently they have proven their prospect ranking boards go beyond conventional wisdom. But i don't care because i know what ever they pick will improve t he team in one form or another. I will say this 3/5 of the 49ers Oline that flat out demolished our Dline has 3 first round picks on it. Can't wait to see the rest of the season unfold. Go Hawks.
hawksfan515 wrote:Yep let's comprise a line entirely of first and 2nd rounders. Not like we have other needs or anything.
Jazzhawk wrote:hawksfan515 wrote:Yep let's comprise a line entirely of first and 2nd rounders. Not like we have other needs or anything.
Funny, I don't recall at all specifying first or second rounders. That you choose to assume that just shows you the old axiom is true. When you assume, you make an ass.... well at least out of yourself. You're on fire tonight bro.
The early draft should go to stud RT and another guard.
hawksfan515 wrote:Jazzhawk wrote:hawksfan515 wrote:Yep let's comprise a line entirely of first and 2nd rounders. Not like we have other needs or anything.
Funny, I don't recall at all specifying first or second rounders. That you choose to assume that just shows you the old axiom is true. When you assume, you make an ass.... well at least out of yourself. You're on fire tonight bro.The early draft should go to stud RT and another guard.
What did you mean by the early draft then?
I didn't mean to come off overly rude, just a little sarcastic. Anyways in general the early draft is 1-2, middle rounds 3-4, and late rounds 5-7. Lines are a little fuzzy but that's how I see it.
Don't overreact too much now though. Quite honestly, this was not a great question. Cohesion is very important in D-line play, and we already have guys who could develop into good players. They just need more time.
SmokinHawk wrote:I don't care what round we draft them in, I just want a good line for Russell Wilson. Keeping him upright is an investment in the future.
Kelly.Orr wrote:Happypuppy wrote:Best player available. We are at the point we can do it. OL is pretty far down my need list. I'd look to D first. I'd like a DT that cold play every down and get some serious pressure up the middle. If we had Jones, Irvin , Clemons and a new beast DT ..look out
Point is there really aren't any that i see that can dominate a game like a Suh, Ngata, Atkins. I just don't see it here. Before you want to bash taking an olineman due to continuity? Look at how much continuity we have had? Pretty much none. Only ones who have played at their position the entire season are Okung, Unger, Giacomini. I think everyone here can say we definitely would be near the bottom in pass protection if it wasn't for Russell's ability to run. Flynn back there? Pretty sure he would have been hurt already. I wish Carpenter could get consistent and stay in the lineup because i think he could become very good on the left side. But maybe we should draft an OG in the first round and RT in the 3rd. I am thinking HIll's replacement in the second round. Right now though i think everyone can say Giacomini has been better lately but he is definitely the weakpoint. Neither Moffit nor Carpenter seem to want to put a lock on who is going to be our LG. Although Carpenter's recent injury could give Moffit a leg up. We can sit here all day everyday and try to predict what this FO should draft and is going to draft. But recently they have proven their prospect ranking boards go beyond conventional wisdom. But i don't care because i know what ever they pick will improve t he team in one form or another. I will say this 3/5 of the 49ers Oline that flat out demolished our Dline has 3 first round picks on it. Can't wait to see the rest of the season unfold. Go Hawks.
Hasselbeck wrote:Matt Flynn should be our starter. Wilson is nothing more than a backup and will never amount to anything in this league.
T-Sizzle wrote:Picking Guards high in drafts is not a good habit to get into.
Jazzhawk wrote:What a bunch of putzes.
seedhawk wrote:Well, as another noted, we a ranked 6 as an O-line for run blocking. Not too damn shabby, and 18 for pass. I support the theory that RW does not need a dominant top 5 ranked pass blocking line to be effective.
How many times this year has anyone seen RW just get creamed in the pocket? 2? 4? Just basically has not happened. With our teams offensive philosophy, our line is working pretty damn well for what we want to do, and how we want to do it.
We just might actually be to the point that in the first round we just go BPA.
T-Sizzle wrote:Picking Guards high in drafts is not a good habit to get into.
Hawkspur wrote:seedhawk wrote:Well, as another noted, we a ranked 6 as an O-line for run blocking. Not too damn shabby, and 18 for pass. I support the theory that RW does not need a dominant top 5 ranked pass blocking line to be effective.
How many times this year has anyone seen RW just get creamed in the pocket? 2? 4? Just basically has not happened. With our teams offensive philosophy, our line is working pretty damn well for what we want to do, and how we want to do it.
We just might actually be to the point that in the first round we just go BPA.
Yup. I wouldn't be averse to taking an o-lineman if he was BPA, though. However, I do think interior pass rush and top-notch pass catchers should be the priority.
Kelly.Orr wrote:Hawkspur wrote:seedhawk wrote:Well, as another noted, we a ranked 6 as an O-line for run blocking. Not too damn shabby, and 18 for pass. I support the theory that RW does not need a dominant top 5 ranked pass blocking line to be effective.
How many times this year has anyone seen RW just get creamed in the pocket? 2? 4? Just basically has not happened. With our teams offensive philosophy, our line is working pretty damn well for what we want to do, and how we want to do it.
We just might actually be to the point that in the first round we just go BPA.
Yup. I wouldn't be averse to taking an o-lineman if he was BPA, though. However, I do think interior pass rush and top-notch pass catchers should be the priority.
So tell me this? How do you think the Oline would grade out in Pass Protection if we didn't have a running QB? I guarantee you we would be towards the bottom of the league. And for the people that say Drafting OG in the first round is a bad habit to get into well i guess we really screwed up drafting Hutchinson. Now do i think other guards could be found in round two or 3 yeah i do. But how often do you see guys like Warmack or Cooper around? I am hoping we can get something like a Cooper in Rnd 1 and Arthur Brown or Greene in the Second. See how it goes. But i think week 1 and in multiple other games has proven our C/G havent done well on interior pass pro at all. They are going to have their hands full with Dockett again this week.
Jville wrote:So ...... I guess this means your also blowing off Tom Cable and his assessment of the state of the offensive line.
Kelly.Orr wrote:So tell me this? How do you think the Oline would grade out in Pass Protection if we didn't have a running QB?
theENGLISHseahawk wrote:*Groan*
Ask any offensive lineman what the key is to creating a great line. They'll tell you it's time on the field together. I asked one a few weeks ago who was in the Super Bowl last year. The single most important thing for a line to work is familiarity, working as a group, growing together and acting as one. If you keep swapping players in and out every season, you're never going to get that. You draft a rookie and put him at RT and he struggles a bit in year one, what then? Draft another? It's the easiest position to say every year - 'draft another lineman'. The offensive line is not the biggest issue here. It's not even the second biggest issue. Time to spend high picks on other areas of the team.
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