Largent80
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This shit is costing us 2 of our best players. I hate this crap. and I really lost respect for all 3 of these "Seahawks"
SharkHawk":1we2oses said:HGH isn't illegal. That's why doctors can prescribe them. They are just as legal as amphetamines. They need to be taken under a doctor's care with a prescription. Now, if you're talking "illegal" in the sense that they are banned by sport, then that's different, because there are exceptions. There are lots of players who take synthetic testosterone. They are under the same "waiver" from a doctor system as those who take adderall and other medications. They have to do the same thing when taking male pattern baldness drugs, and so on. Anything that can trigger a positive must be documented and approved.
I thought you stated somewhere that you were a surgeon. I guess you were joking, or I am mistaking you for somebody else. But Adderall isn't a mask and you saying flat out that our players are "juicing" and the use of adderall as a mask as your reasoning doesn't make any sense. Sorry.
According to the DEA, “Human growth hormone is not controlled under the Controlled Substances Act (CSA). However, as part of the 1990 Anabolic Steroids Control Act, the distribution and possession, with the intent to distribute, of HGH “for any use...other than the treatment of a disease or other recognized medical condition, where such use has been authorized by the Secretary of Health and Human Services ... and pursuant to the order of a physician ...” was criminalized as a five-year felony under the penalties chapter of the Food, Drug, and Cosmetics Act of the FDA.”
Largent80":3nb9mzo9 said:This shit is costing us 2 of our best players. I hate this crap. and I really lost respect for all 3 of these "Seahawks"
HansGruber":3eb7a4jc said:SharkHawk":3eb7a4jc said:HGH isn't illegal. That's why doctors can prescribe them. They are just as legal as amphetamines. They need to be taken under a doctor's care with a prescription. Now, if you're talking "illegal" in the sense that they are banned by sport, then that's different, because there are exceptions. There are lots of players who take synthetic testosterone. They are under the same "waiver" from a doctor system as those who take adderall and other medications. They have to do the same thing when taking male pattern baldness drugs, and so on. Anything that can trigger a positive must be documented and approved.
I thought you stated somewhere that you were a surgeon. I guess you were joking, or I am mistaking you for somebody else. But Adderall isn't a mask and you saying flat out that our players are "juicing" and the use of adderall as a mask as your reasoning doesn't make any sense. Sorry.
I'm not a surgeon. I'm a neurologist. Big difference. I don't perform surgeries, but often attend surgeries as part of my ongoing research and education, and also as part of the cooperative treatment process. Your neurologist and neurosurgeon work hand-in-hand from day 1 to determine the best course and methods of treatment based on a number of factors, many of which are apparent to one or the other but not both.
Obviously, toxicology and pharma is not my specialty. I can admit that my take on Adderall and HGH is the result of things I've read and heard, so who knows how accurate it is. Perhaps the "masking" part is just that a player can claim that it was Adderall when it was something else and the NFL can not say what it was.
I would still bet good money they were using HGH. I think it's silly that people are getting so worked up and denying that these guys were using HGH. Get a grip. Of course they were. Millions of dollars are at stake, and HGH gives them a clear advantage.
As to HGH being "illegal", we are arguing semantics here. While HGH is not a controlled substance (for good reason), and is not sold over-the-counter (also for good reason), quote:
According to the DEA, “Human growth hormone is not controlled under the Controlled Substances Act (CSA). However, as part of the 1990 Anabolic Steroids Control Act, the distribution and possession, with the intent to distribute, of HGH “for any use...other than the treatment of a disease or other recognized medical condition, where such use has been authorized by the Secretary of Health and Human Services ... and pursuant to the order of a physician ...” was criminalized as a five-year felony under the penalties chapter of the Food, Drug, and Cosmetics Act of the FDA.”
This is absurd to me, and is the direct result of ignorance and hype. The fact that someone could be sent to prison for 5 years for selling HGH is just ludicrous. HGH, if taken in absurdly high dosages, can have long-term negative effects, but is fairly harmless in the short-term and especially at the dosages available on the market. The "war on drugs" in America has produced many artifacts of pure stupidity, but the war against "steroids and PEDs" has produced some of the most stupid results of all. And I am far from the only medical doctor who believes this.
SharkHawk":l32plc92 said:Just really quickly here.... I'm familiar with what a neurologist is and does. I see one monthly due to a case of myotonia congenita that I was born with. It is a myotonic disorder (hereditary) and in the muscular dystrophy family, but rather than muscle wasting, it causes muscle growth. This is one reason I was a good athlete, because my nerves are constantly firing, which results in increased muscle mass. It is a genetic disorder, that provided me with a definite advantage. The problem is that it causes muscle locking as well, which can lead to many strains and tears, which I also suffered. I have dealt with several neurologists and have yet to deal with one who didn't understand the difference between an amphetamine and a synthetic hormone and how they interact, especially considering that my neurologists have all dealt with brain, nerve, and muscle function and the disorders and how they all interact for 8+ years before ever entering private practice.
I also am surprised that you are still saying that the guys were "juicing" with HGH and tested positive. THERE IS NO TEST FOR HGH IN THE NFL. It doesn't exist. The only way to bust somebody is to catch them getting shipments, and even then, you still can't ban them for using it, because there is no way to prove it unless you catch them using a masking agent, but there not masking agents that are taking for HGH... only for testosterone and precursors and so on. HGH is free and clear in the NFL as far as testing goes as they can't agree on a blood test protocol. Baseball had the problem with HGH and most players who got busted got outed by dealers as part of plea agreements. They tested positive for things like HCG or the clear, or admitted to using in order to not get suspended.
I think you need to get into the research a bit more for the benefit of others. This is an area with tons more to learn and study and develop positive uses. HGH is currently being studied for treatment of my conditions of arachnoiditis and MC (things you probably deal with daily in your practice). I wish more neurologists would put their peer reviewed research time into the benefits of HGH in the treatment of tonic/clonic disorders and incurable spine pain in the arachnid space (arachnoiditis).
You could do the world a lot of good, as these disorders go untreated in many and the suffering is pretty massive for many.
Scottemojo":2b1ii85h said:Call me naive, but why would you take a masking agent that carries the exact same penalties as the product it is masking?HansGruber":2b1ii85h said:Adderal is popular with athletes (and banned in sports) because it is a masking agent for "steroids"/PEDs; ie winny, dbol, etc.
Our guys were taking it to mask other things. They were juicing. No doubt in my mind.
No kidding. I kept looking, and all I came across was some reference to it being a diuretic. There are plenty of diuretics that won't get you banned.rideaducati":1etye3yv said:Scottemojo":1etye3yv said:Call me naive, but why would you take a masking agent that carries the exact same penalties as the product it is masking?HansGruber":1etye3yv said:Adderal is popular with athletes (and banned in sports) because it is a masking agent for "steroids"/PEDs; ie winny, dbol, etc.
Our guys were taking it to mask other things. They were juicing. No doubt in my mind.
I keep seeing this in forums on the internet, but I have yet to see a "reputable" source as to adderall's masking capabilities. I keep asking people where they heard or read about it and have yet to get "reputable" answers. I'm not saying these people are making it up, but I'm starting to think they wrote it down themselves and then read it somewhere.