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Whats the real story. A group of 36 huh. Sounds like some whinners bit off more then they could chew. Sorray foya :angry017:
 

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This the NFL, thats 32 teams, you should be able to support your team at any venue without worrieing about living to tell about it. Ribbing and sarcasm is fine, making it a personal issue is not. I have been to playoff games in the Kingdome, Monday Night Games against the Raiders and never seen this type of behavior, been a long time since I was at an actual regular season game. In those days it was about the game and experience and having fun. Opposing fans made it that much more enjoyable when it was competitive ribbing.

Being able to wear opposing colors and supporting the team you choose is not an invitation to be beat up, cornered, have shit thrown at you.

Where if that group of 36 was all together and the 49ers jerseys in mass may appear as a great heckle target, kids and descretion should be thought of as if your kids were there.

Now saying that and since there was not itr sounds more and more like young punks in a group feeling like they were all that and didn't have kids to think about what they were actually doing.
 

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Not that it excuses any behavior but these kids were 14. When I was 14 I would have loved to have guys cuss at me and insult my team. I would have smiled, laughed and loved every minute.
 

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JSeahawks":1nvdw0l0 said:
Not that it excuses any behavior but these kids were 14. When I was 14 I would have loved to have guys cuss at me and insult my team. I would have smiled, laughed and loved every minute.

Well in these days of coddleing and your special type parenting many are sheltered from the actual world by their parents. It's a shock to see what reality is and it's ugly side.
 

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There's always going to be a few bad apples that really cross the line, that's unfortunate.

I do want opposing fans to feel unwelcome in our house, though. I don't want them there.
The above says it all IMHO. A few forty whiner fans crying, at least no one got stabbed unlike candledump. To the story, meh whatever! Odds are its full of exaggerating and half truths, and I hardly doubt they are the innocent victims they claim to be. If you are wearing enemy colors into an opposing stadium and don't expect to get harassed a little then you are naive. More than likely a few butthurt whiner fans still bitter over their team being completely dominated and embarrassed on national tv.
 

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Sports Hernia":3e93l4ce said:
pinksheets":3e93l4ce said:
There's always going to be a few bad apples that really cross the line, that's unfortunate.

I do want opposing fans to feel unwelcome in our house, though. I don't want them there.
The above says it all IMHO. A few forty whiner fans crying, at least no one got stabbed unlike candledump. To the story, meh whatever! Odds are its full of exaggerating and half truths, and I hardly doubt they are the innocent victims they claim to be. If you are wearing enemy colors into an opposing stadium and don't expect to get harassed a little then you are naive. More than likely a few butthurt whiner fans still bitter over their team being completely dominated and embarrassed on national tv.


"enemy" colors... because THIS IS WAR!!!

ffs... whats naive is that a bunch of idiots think that when they're at a sporting event (an entertainment venue by the way) that they are somehow inclined to act like idiots.

Regardless of whether this story is true or not, it happens. Regardless of whether someone was stabbed or not, the idea that we need to "protect this house" and make the opposing fans feel uncomfortable through verbal abuse reeks of immaturity.

Seahawk fans, if you value the 12th man and the gameday experience, understand that this behavior was an extensive part of the fan experience in the English Premier League... now the opposing teams fans get cordoned off sections with police escorts, tickets are priced out of average fans monetary means, roudy fans lose their season tickets... forever, alcohol is often banned.

As the OP said, clean it up. be loud. have fun (its a party after all) but lose the mentality that you are somehow involved in the physical battle between the two teams. Crowd noise impacted the game. acting like bullies to 14 year old kids didnt. its not your inherent right to intimidate other human beings because they were "naive" enough to support their team by wearing a uniform to a game. ridiculous
 

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The whole "colors" thing just sounds so moronic. It's a gang war at a Seahawks game? A gang war where games cost too much for the average person to attend? You're talking hundreds of dollars after it's all said and done to get a decent seat, parking, some food, lodging, etc. etc. if you're coming from out of town, and yet people are acting like they are armed soldiers attending a by invitation only war on a Sunday afternoon in a billion dollar park. Give it a rest with the Under Armour commercial bullcrap. It's a game.
 

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As always when this topic comes up, it is primarily those who never travel alone and outside the safety of home and the crowd of majority who condone and promote this kind of barbarism.

Get your ass caught in someone else's web and watch how you twitch and hope for a just and compassionate stranger.
 

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As a life long Seahawks fan who went to his first home game....at the first home game in 1977, Things HAVE really changed. I was 11 years old during my first season with the Seahawks. My parents felt it was totally ok to buy our family season tickets and take me to every game, where their largest worry was strategic parking before the game. They had no worry that I would be exposed to rude fan behavior, or that some drunken fan would throw up on us. In fact, I can remember no specific incidents of bad fan behavior from Home fans or visiting fans. In fact, we had a KC Chiefs fan sit in front of us one game early on.....and 10 years later that same fan sat in the same seat and my dad greeted him like a lost friend and they bantered back and fourth the whole game....all in good fun. We were ALL fans of football. We held those seats until they brought the place down.

Since those days, our entire culture has changed..... This is not just a football fan issue. This is a larger issue. It has become ok to yell and ridicule people. It has become ok to be disrespectful to women. It has become totally ok to publicly shame another person. I see this behavior most often with the under 25 crowd. Trashing another person on facebook, or twitter or a message board is the new normal........My 18 year old daughter says its fun. Is anyone surprised this behavior then comes out in public, with total strangers....where it is easy to be anonymous hiding behind a fan jersey in a stadium full of 65,000 other people? Man, I don't. It's shameful really.

You can call me old, or stupid, or nostalgic or whatever the hell you want....but I think everyone should be able to experience being a fan. The game day experience is what made me into a lifelong Seahawks fan. I don't want parents to not want to take their kids to a game because they are worried. Now....with that said, I would not take an 11 year old to an away game. I expect a certain amount of ribbing, and a run in or two with a guy who has had too much. I can deal with this just fine....and have most recently at Mile High Stadium a couple of years ago.

It just comes down to treating people the way you would want to be treated. Unfortunately, that's a pretty low level for some.

"You can call me old, or stupid, or nostalgic or whatever ..." No, I call you wise and it's worth repeating. You hit it on the head --- it's the new culture of I can say and do whatever I want because I don't give a $hit about anyone else --- just like facebook, twitter etc.

This "defending our home turf" is BS -- let the guys on the field take care of business.
 

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I love the whole "it's the younger generation" crap. Every older generation says the same thing about some younger generation, it's almost always entirely selective perception fueled BS. I've seen just as many, if not more, drunk and rowdy sports fans in their 40s and older than people between 18-25.

To be clear, I think the actions detailed in the article are largely despicable, but I also think that this lady's letter is exaggerated and not the whole story. She probably didn't have a good time going to watch her team get absolutely annihilated and is PO'd. I obviously wouldn't condone going up and hurling obscenities at a kid, but I also wouldn't dress my kid in opposing team gear and drag them to an NFL game. This isn't some passionless Mariners crowd, this is largely an adult event, not a Disneyfied family friendly experience. I wouldn't drag my kid to a heavy metal concert either, it's loud, rowdy, and an atmosphere that might not be particularly child friendly.

I don't think that opposing fans should expect to be able to walk in, not be acknowledged, and come into our house and hoot and holler for their team. Obviously, harassment and threats are over the line, but if your day is just absolutely ruined because someone told you your team sucks with a few F-bombs thrown in, you probably should have stayed at home. Opposing fans should have realistic expectations just as Hawks fans should respect that nobody should be physically threatened or personally attacked at the game. I don't see anything wrong with wanting opposing fans to feel unwelcome, as long as that desire doesn't extend into also wanting them to feel unsafe.

If everything this lady claimed is 100% accurate(which I doubt), there's a lot of unacceptable behavior that should result in people getting kicked out of the game. There's no denying the Seattle Times won't skip a chance to remind everyone how high brow and above everything they are by denigrating sports and sports fans, though.
 

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This type of bullshiet comes up every year from some whiney fan who's team lost at The Clink...but; Seattle is still in the US of A and ANYONE who can get a ticket has the right to come into The Clink and enjoy the game without being harassed by a punch of punks. Yes, that's what they are, punks.

I will also say that in all the times I've been to Seahawks Stadium, I've never seen a physical assault or anything even close to that nature........of course, I'm usually with Riley12 and NO ONE in their right mind would mess with that gangsta! :stirthepot:
 

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I, personally, don't question the stories validity. I went to the Monday night Seahwaks vs. Packers MNF game and this SNF Seahawks vs. 49ers game. I myself was a little appalled at the behavior of some hawks fans. i seen fights break out during both the games. I love my seahawks and love to see the niners get smashed by us on primetime however it is not the stage to pick fights and degrade the innocent during gameday.

I was sitting in the hawks nest during gameday and there was pretty much just one niners fan around us totally unprepared for the games conditions. Every one around us heckled him but he was literally freezing cold in just a thermal, niners jersey, and niners pajama pants. My wife actually offered him a rain poncho that we had extra and some "hott hands". She even got yelled at by a fan behind us for offering such a thing. After I gave him a piece of my mind things got settled but I was seriously disappointed with some of the 12th mans behaviors during the game. However, it will never overshadow how great of a game it was to be at, and how much I love to see Jim Douchebah and the whiners get stomped on by the Hawks.
 

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LymonHawk":2jnvt2re said:
This type of bullshiet comes up every year from some whiney fan who's team lost at The Clink...but; Seattle is still in the US of A and ANYONE who can get a ticket has the right to come into The Clink and enjoy the game without being harassed by a punch of punks. Yes, that's what they are, punks.

I will also say that in all the times I've been to Seahawks Stadium, I've never seen a physical assault or anything even close to that nature........of course, I'm usually with Riley12 and NO ONE in their right mind would mess with that gangsta! :stirthepot:


And THIS is telling, cuz Lymin considers glitter a physical assault.
 

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bestfightstory":158ohcnd said:
LymonHawk":158ohcnd said:
This type of bullshiet comes up every year from some whiney fan who's team lost at The Clink...but; Seattle is still in the US of A and ANYONE who can get a ticket has the right to come into The Clink and enjoy the game without being harassed by a punch of punks. Yes, that's what they are, punks.

I will also say that in all the times I've been to Seahawks Stadium, I've never seen a physical assault or anything even close to that nature........of course, I'm usually with Riley12 and NO ONE in their right mind would mess with that gangsta! :stirthepot:


And THIS is telling, cuz Lymin considers glitter a physical assault.

That's right!
 

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I've seen a fair share of violence at Seahawks games over the years. At the Raiders home game in 99 a brawl spread over an entire section. I used to sit up in the Hawks Nest and saw things like this on a weekly basis. Most of the time it was one drunk idiot screaming at another drunk idiot. That said, I haven't seen any fights over the last couple of years, but it seems to me the crowd has become a little more intense and alcohol fueled than when we were mediocre and no one cared (1992-2002). I think its a newer type of fan that pulls this.

Its never ok to get in a kids face and scream profanities at them and I have literally never seen this happen at a Seahawks game. However, if it did happen, thats unfortunate.

I think the writer of the letter might be blowing things out of proportion, and if the Niners had won, I'm willing to bet her feelings would be different. And honestly, 36 people in a crew and your horrified that your getting crap? However, kids should be off limits and I've never got all the macho bs and fighting that occurs at a sporting event. Its like "I'm tougher than you because the team I support is beating you"?? Really??

I flip opposing fans a decent amount of crap if they want to dish some out. Most of the time, I question the depth of their fandom, flipping them off and telling them to F themselves just doesn't do it for me. But challenging their knowledge of their teams history and calling them front runners is always fun.

People always blame alcohol, but, in my extensive experience with the substance in question, I've learned that the people that act like dicks when they are drunk, act like dicks when they are sober. I went to hawks games and was a dick before I even could legally drink, why? Because I was a dick. Alcohol amplifies whats already there, that's it.
 

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Anyone who is a fan of the Seahawks usually has my respect, but in this case I wouldn't mind seeing those assholes getting their ass kicked even if it means they stop being seahawks fans. They are most likely band wagon fans who were no where to be seen before the Hawks were this good again.
 

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I had season tickets for 7 years, saw a lot of ass hats start fights and just act disorderly, but usually opposing fans didn't get into trouble with locals unless they were a little overboard or couldn't take what they dished out. I also saw the general profanity and drunken morons increase every year. It wasn't every fan like the article kind of implies, but there were lots, sometimes we sat in sections with families and stood cheering the hawks with no profanity. Sometimes we sat in sections with a bunch of drunks that didn't care about the game and started fights. As a local I think we see more opposing fans in fights and being asses because there's one in each altercation and so few out of the masses of people it seems to be a lot more. The behavior in the article was one of the reasons I let my tickets go, I just don't dig having beer spilled on me and garlic fries all over my hawks gear. Still attend a few a year to get my fix, but I remember having Raiders fans try to tell me to sit down in our stadium and then ask if I want to walk outside and get my ass kicked.
 

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Dyelon42":9u7ldwyg said:
I, personally, don't question the stories validity. I went to the Monday night Seahwaks vs. Packers MNF game and this SNF Seahawks vs. 49ers game. I myself was a little appalled at the behavior of some hawks fans. i seen fights break out during both the games. I love my seahawks and love to see the niners get smashed by us on primetime however it is not the stage to pick fights and degrade the innocent during gameday.

I was sitting in the hawks nest during gameday and there was pretty much just one niners fan around us totally unprepared for the games conditions. Every one around us heckled him but he was literally freezing cold in just a thermal, niners jersey, and niners pajama pants. My wife actually offered him a rain poncho that we had extra and some "hott hands". She even got yelled at by a fan behind us for offering such a thing. After I gave him a piece of my mind things got settled but I was seriously disappointed with some of the 12th mans behaviors during the game. However, it will never overshadow how great of a game it was to be at, and how much I love to see Jim Douchebah and the whiners get stomped on by the Hawks.

Now that last part is just plain stupid. It's called "The Hawk's Nest" for a reason. I would never go into an opponents stadium and sit in a section pretty much designated for the home crowd. That's just ridiculous. And its the middle of Dec in Seattle and this dummy isn't bundled up? And he's by himself? Cmon, let's be real now. That guy should've done more research.
 

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I have traveled to see the Seahawks play in New Orleans, Miami, Philly, Denver(x3), KC(x3), Buffalo, Pittsburg, Denver, Toronto, San Francisco, Minnesota, and Green Bay. I think that is all.

I know I am not the most traveled Hawks fan but I have been around some. I don't start shit on the road. In fact, I rarely cheer my team's successes to excess. And, ftr, I am much bigger and tougher than Jonrud or Hemi.

All that said. I can assure you that in every stadium there are assholes who go to the games looking for someone to demean and threaten and challenge and cause suffering to.

I don't care whether I am in Denver or Seattle or KC. And i dont care what color the jerseys are. I know whose side I am on when I see a predator in action.
 
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