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Post subject: Why so many firings? Russell Wilson part of reason why  Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:48 pm |
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You may question why Russell Wilson of all players might have a hand in this, but as teams watched the Seahawks, one of the many teams in the league with a good supporting cast, but no QB, succeed with a rookie 3rd rounder while they floundered, missing the playoffs, many teams became impatient, firing a record number of head coaches and general managers. Quote: But the officials are citing a more important factor. Owners are looking around the sport in places like Seattle, San Francisco, Washington and Indianapolis, seeing the success of young throwers and young programs, and asking why in the Hell aren't they having similar success?
The name Russell Wilson was pointed to on Monday as a grand example of why so many people got fired so quickly. Owners in places like Cleveland and Jacksonville might have been asking why didn't their franchises discover Wilson, who was the 12th pick in the third round? And how is it that a franchise like Seattle can develop him so quickly and our franchise cannot?
Andrew Luck is one thing; he was the first overall pick. But when franchises start finding franchise throwers in the third round and the failing teams do not, then someone is getting fired. Poor Jacksonville. Drafting a punter in front of Russell Wilson? Gene Smith didn't survive long after that move.
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Post subject: Re: Why so many firings? Russell Wilson part of reason why Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:49 pm |
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Post subject: Re: Why so many firings? Russell Wilson part of reason why Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:53 pm |
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Seahawk Sailor wrote: http://www.seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=61409 That's on whether our coaches will get poached, I started a thread on how Russell Wilson's success caused a lot of firings. Kinda close though I guess, sorry if it's a little too repetitive.
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Post subject: Re: Why so many firings? Russell Wilson part of reason why Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:04 pm |
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Really, it's more Pete Carroll and John Schneider's success being the main causes for these firings, not RW, but I guess it's the same thing.
Edit: "main causes" is not the right word. Maybe a secondary cause, though.
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Post subject: Re: Why so many firings? Russell Wilson part of reason why Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:09 pm |
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Like it's Wilson's fault that other teams have lazy scouting processes.
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Post subject: Re: Why so many firings? Russell Wilson part of reason why Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:13 pm |
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hawksfan515 wrote: Seahawk Sailor wrote: http://www.seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=61409 That's on whether our coaches will get poached, I started a thread on how Russell Wilson's success caused a lot of firings. Kinda close though I guess, sorry if it's a little too repetitive. He's referring to the fact that the link was posted in that thread.
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Post subject: Re: Why so many firings? Russell Wilson part of reason why Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:13 pm |
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Recon_Hawk wrote: Really, it's more Pete Carroll and John Schneider's success being the main causes for these firings, not RW, but I guess it's the same thing. Teams want that as well. They want those guys who can find talent like that. I'm sure they haven't been blind to our teams success at finding talent, they are for sure wondering how Pete Carroll went and found a guy like John Schneider, who in turn found steals like Wilson, Sherman, Kam, and hit on 1st rounders consistently.
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Post subject: Re: Why so many firings? Russell Wilson part of reason why Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:14 pm |
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RolandDeschain wrote: hawksfan515 wrote: Seahawk Sailor wrote: http://www.seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=61409 That's on whether our coaches will get poached, I started a thread on how Russell Wilson's success caused a lot of firings. Kinda close though I guess, sorry if it's a little too repetitive. He's referring to the fact that the link was posted in that thread. ohh, oops, I missed that. My bad.
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Post subject: Re: Why so many firings? Russell Wilson part of reason why Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:17 pm |
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Well, a lot of them SHOULD be questioned and held responsible.
At the NFL level, you are expected to be a genius. You are expected to be the best of the best. That's how they are paid, so why shouldn't they? It's true for the players as well.
And let's face the facts here. 31 other teams passed on Russell Wilson. Some of those teams really needed a QB, and the QB position is possibly the sole factor that kept them out of the playoffs. Owners are correct in demanding that their management be able to spot potential in players like RW, and take a risk.
If you had cancer, would you hire a doctor that was aware of every possible treatment and who was willing to explore those treatment options? Or would you choose the guy who always goes by the book, never tries anything, and isn't aware of the most current research? I know who I would choose.
There is a reason why the creme of the crop are what they are. Or to paraphrase a great doctor who I once worked with:
If you only listen to "common sense", you will never achieve uncommon success.
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Post subject: Re: Why so many firings? Russell Wilson part of reason why Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:19 pm |
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/87955 ... uars-firedQuote: The Jaguars fired general manager Gene Smith on Monday Draft 2012 3rd Round 70th Pick Bryan Anger Punter Jaguars 3rd Round 75th Pick Russell Wilson QB Seahawks Hhhhhmmmmm?? LOL
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Post subject: Re: Why so many firings? Russell Wilson part of reason why Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:29 pm |
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HansGruber wrote: Well, a lot of them SHOULD be questioned and held responsible.
At the NFL level, you are expected to be a genius. You are expected to be the best of the best. That's how they are paid, so why shouldn't they? It's true for the players as well.
And let's face the facts here. 31 other teams passed on Russell Wilson. Some of those teams really needed a QB, and the QB position is possibly the sole factor that kept them out of the playoffs. Owners are correct in demanding that their management be able to spot potential in players like RW, and take a risk.
If you had cancer, would you hire a doctor that was aware of every possible treatment and who was willing to explore those treatment options? Or would you choose the guy who always goes by the book, never tries anything, and isn't aware of the most current research? I know who I would choose.
There is a reason why the creme of the crop are what they are. Or to paraphrase a great doctor who I once worked with:
If you only listen to "common sense", you will never achieve uncommon success. You nailed it. PC and JS have turned around a franchise in less than 3 years, now. Its a fantastic accomplishment. One not easily duplicated, but as an owner seeing perhaps years of poor management with their own franchise, it's natural to want what other teams have, and if they aren't getting that, then it's on to the next guy.
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Post subject: Re: Why so many firings? Russell Wilson part of reason why Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:15 pm |
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Fired by owners that in many cases would have vetoed drafting RW in the first round
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Post subject: Re: Why so many firings? Russell Wilson part of reason why Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:16 pm |
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twisted_steel2 wrote: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8795520/gene-smith-jacksonville-jaguars-fired Quote: The Jaguars fired general manager Gene Smith on Monday Draft 2012 3rd Round 70th Pick Bryan Anger Punter Jaguars 3rd Round 75th Pick Russell Wilson QB Seahawks Hhhhhmmmmm?? LOL In their defense they do a lot of punting 
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Post subject: Re: Why so many firings? Russell Wilson part of reason why Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:36 pm |
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Man, wouldn't it be great to have a job like Mel Kiper Jr.? No accountability required? He basically tore our last two drafts apart bit by bit and he has no danger of losing his job at all.
That's why I pay attention to Mike Mayock, Emdiggy, and the Seahawks draft blog site for draft news. I also enjoy NFL Draft countdown from time to time.
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Post subject: Re: Why so many firings? Russell Wilson part of reason why Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:01 pm |
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twisted_steel2 wrote: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8795520/gene-smith-jacksonville-jaguars-fired Quote: The Jaguars fired general manager Gene Smith on Monday Draft 2012 3rd Round 70th Pick Bryan Anger Punter Jaguars 3rd Round 75th Pick Russell Wilson QB Seahawks Hhhhhmmmmm?? LOL Jaguar FO: "Wow, He must really kick the hell out of the ball with a name like that." "That short quarterback is still available?" "Nah, Let's go with the angry punter he'll fit in perfect."
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Post subject: Re: Why so many firings? Russell Wilson part of reason why Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:41 pm |
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Wowww.... so they hate us, but want to be us?
What a bunch of followers....
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Post subject: Re: Why so many firings? Russell Wilson part of reason why Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:49 pm |
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mikeak wrote: Fired by owners that in many cases would have vetoed drafting RW in the first round
Funny This is very true. Wilson could have been the 3rd overall pick, rather than going in the third round, and they'd have gotten their money's worth. It's easy to look at it with hindsight, but his numbers in college were hugely impressive. As soon as we drafted him, I looked up his numbers; his play this year should have come as no surprise to anyone. But it's that "do it like the book" mentality that would have gotten folks canned for taking him where his play merited. _________________ I blog, I tweet. When I'm not writing or goofing around on Seahawks.NET.
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Post subject: Re: Why so many firings? Russell Wilson part of reason why Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:55 pm |
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I don't really understand where Mel Kiper came from and why he is the be-all end-all. I doubt very seriously Pete Carroll and John Schneider look to him for advice
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Post subject: Re: Why so many firings? Russell Wilson part of reason why Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:15 pm |
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HansGruber wrote: If you had cancer, would you hire a doctor that was aware of every possible treatment and who was willing to explore those treatment options? Or would you choose the guy who always goes by the book, never tries anything, and isn't aware of the most current research? I know who I would choose.
There is a reason why the creme of the crop are what they are. Or to paraphrase a great doctor who I once worked with:
If you only listen to "common sense", you will never achieve uncommon success. Great analogy. Also that last part sounds a bit like my sig. _________________  "I believe there’s merit to the idea that once something in life becomes conventional, it’s no longer the safest path to success." -Matt Waldman "If everyone's thinking alike, no one's thinking." -Bill Walsh
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Post subject: Re: Why so many firings? Russell Wilson part of reason why Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:34 pm |
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But, but, but ... RW is only 5ft10. No QB in the history of the NFL has ever had any type of success at that height. I strongly believe that lots of GM failures is due to networks like ESPN, FOX, NFL Network. Does anyone of you remember what Mel Kiper said about Russell Wilson said on draft day? Well, unfortunately lots of GMs listen to crap like that. Here are high draft pick QBs that were pushed by Mel Kiper and the ESPN crew: Tim Couch (Cleveland), first round, David Carr (Houston, first round), Brady Quinn was supposed to be a steal at #22, Jimmy Clausen was supposed to be a first round pick. Jimmy Clausen Career in Carolina: 10 starts, 3 TDs, 9INTs. This is a great one from Mel Kiper: comparing JaMarcus Russell to John Elway ... lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZubYpplmzVkSeahawk Sailor wrote: mikeak wrote: Fired by owners that in many cases would have vetoed drafting RW in the first round
Funny This is very true. Wilson could have been the 3rd overall pick, rather than going in the third round, and they'd have gotten their money's worth. It's easy to look at it with hindsight, but his numbers in college were hugely impressive. As soon as we drafted him, I looked up his numbers; his play this year should have come as no surprise to anyone. But it's that "do it like the book" mentality that would have gotten folks canned for taking him where his play merited.
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