MontanaHawk05 wrote:Just pick a good football player this time, Pete. I'm tired of the Carpenter-Irvin cuteness. It's a damn good thing you're so epic in Rounds 3-5.
In fairness, Seattle's 1st round draft options really sucked in 2011. Carpenter has a good chance to be a solid long term starter. If it were my pick to make, I would have taken Ingram or Kaepernick. Ingram wouldn't have added much more value than Carpenter has, and Kaepernick would be a likely backup right now.
I liked the Irvin pick. Nothing cute about it. He was the best pass rusher in the draft. Honestly, I think if Pete hadn't been so extremely conservative with blitzes this year Irvin probably ends up with 10+ sacks.
As far as this topic, hell yeah, Hopkins! But you are right Montana, would it surprise anyone if Seattle took a "reach" player in round 1? Hell no.
That said, is Allen really a "reach" player? Most big boards have him going in the mid-1st round (much higher than Hopkins). I don't agree with that ranking, but the point is that if the draft were tomorrow, Allen would be viewed as the better value than Hopkins.
A more accurate 1st round reach would look more like Markus Wheaton, Sharrif Floyd, etc.
kearly wrote:In fairness, Seattle's 1st round draft options really sucked in 2011.
SeatownJay wrote:I wanted the team to draft Gabe Carimi instead of Carpenter, but he's been just as injured as Carp has.
MontanaHawk05 wrote:They sucked in 2009, too, and nobody let Ruskell off the hook for it.
They DON'T suck this year.
The Yugoslavian wrote:What about Tavon Austin? I know his small 5'7 172lbs but man that guy is ridiculous. Using him on screens, creative packages out of the backfield, and eventually Leon will need a replacement and Austin is lethal. Is he worth a late 1st pick? A lot of scouting reports I've seen have him projected in that range. I'm not sure though, but I'd love to have any of the three. Austin, Hopkins, or Allen.
They DON'T suck this year.
Oh dude, don't even go there. Ignoring the fact that you made a strawman fallacy here (I'll run with it anyway), Ruskell's options at #4 in 2009 were vastly superior to what JS had at #25. Crabtree had 1100 yards and 9 TDs this year. Remember too- Cleveland traded down the very next pick with the Jets for Sanchez, so unlike JS in 2011 you can probably assume Seattle had offers for their pick that year (the late 1st that year was pretty loaded btw). Tim Ruskell had tons of great options, and he made a terrible decision despite them.
When Seattle had good options in 2010, they hit it out of the park. I liked the Irvin pick in 2012 and based on what we know now it was not a reach. I think the idea that they flub the first round is a myth.
Plus who knows, maybe Carpenter becomes a great player? O-lineman are known to start slow. Based on how he looked at Alabama, I think he could be a very good player if he can just get in shape and/or stay healthy.
Just pick a good football player this time, Pete. I'm tired of the Carpenter-Irvin cuteness. It's a damn good thing you're so epic in Rounds 3-5.
Scottemojo wrote:I love Allen. And would take him over Hopkins.
kearly wrote:Scottemojo wrote:I love Allen. And would take him over Hopkins.
I have Hopkins a lot higher, but I appreciate this comment. I think Allen is my 2nd favorite WR right now. His YAC ability is basically as good as Patterson's (albeit with less sex appeal). And he doesn't come with the question marks.