Gunshow loopholes are an abomination. Of course guns should have paperwork when transfering owners! That's where most of the illegal trafficking comes from! I would be glad to see such legislation, however I do agree that it should have to pass Congress. However, Congress is so inept I'm pretty sure we'd be better off as a nation to just get rid of it.

You want to talk about skewing the Sandyhook tragedy to support an agenda, let's talk about arming the teachers some more. Right-wing knee-jerk reaction - FILL THE SCHOOL WITH GUNS! Yeah because statistics show that's a good idea

What statistics show it isn't a good idea to have armed conceal carry teachers on the grounds, other than there are no statistics?

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We have statistics showing school shootings are not common place. From what very, very, very limited data of school shootings we have, cases like Columbine had armed guards on campus that were ineffective. Arming teachers would just make them the first target.

Mass murderers like the ones doing the school shootings, don't plan on getting away. They are there to commit suicide and want to take as many as possible with them.

On a personal note, I have a 2 year old son. The love of my life. The day that the school he attends (in the future of course) starts arming the teachers is the day is he is going to a new school.

Legal face-to-face transactions between residents of the same state (e.g. "Gun show loophole transactions") are the majority of such transactions and illegal trafficking makes up only a small portion of those exchanges, and they happen primarily in border states like Texas and Arizona. Paperwork to track the sale is effectively giving the government an open license to confiscate, should they ever find that itch too difficult to resist scratching. To be brutally honest, I don't give a good god damn what happens in Mexico as a result of a transaction in the USA, even if it's illegal. Let the Mexican people demand more of their government in terms of enforcement action.

Out of curiosity, what statistics are you referring to when you cite "fill the school with guns"? I sincerely doubt such statistics exist at all.

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He knows how to use a gun too. That's a good thing right?

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He is handling it in a safe manner. As to the sociopolitical reasons for his handling of that weapon, well, they are a little outside the scope of this conversation, aren't they? Moron.

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As long as their are criminals with guns, there will be non criminals with guns... take the guns out of the hands of the criminals, there would be no need for me to own a gun. i don't hunt and i'm not in the military nor am i a criminal.. but you better believe my nine is locked and loaded...

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As opposed to your bullshit point?

Yeah, that's what's wrong with the guns in the world... not everyone knows how to use them!

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Tracking gun ownership in no way infringes on anybody's right to own a gun. We complain about the bad guys having guns, yet defend the way in which they procure them because it will cause more paperwork. That's ludicrous. Gunshows are antiquated and need to be done away with. Local gun stores can have consignment areas and help with paperwork, BAM! Problem solved.

Here are some statistics. Surprisingly children are much more likely to be killed by guns outside of school! Every parent better get their Concealed Carry permit ASAP! A gun in every room of the house, that'll keep our kids safe.

There's the old adage that "guns don't kill people." Well, guns certainly don't inherently protect people either.

If anything, your picture effectively illustrates just how ridiculously simple it is to operate a gun safely. In this case, it's an FN FAL machinegun, which is about as challenging to operate as small arms can possibly be, yet still so easy a child can do it unsupervised. No matter how hard you try to prove otherwise, the statistics just don't back up your point. Out of hundreds of millions of civilian owned weapons in the USA, why are there relatively few accidental shootings? The fact of the matter is that the vast, sweeping majority of gun owners are responsible with them and educate their children on the dire consequences associated with reckless use and handling.

Accidents happen, but they are usually just nature's way of culling the herd. Guns are simple machines. Do you really want a world filled with those who are too stupid to operate simple machines? You should learn to celebrate these little moments in human evolution, because after all, nobody in YOUR family is THAT stupid, right? I come from a long line of gun owners on both sides of my family tree and not one person has accidentally shot themselves.

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So a couple dead kids of idiot parents per million people is enough to convince you that there's an endemic issue with our gun laws? Sorry bud, I'm not buying it. It's a problem with parenting, first and foremost.

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Too bad they're not as safe as pools.

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Bam! What a solid argument!

I forgot that in lieu of guns people use pools for drivebys. What about the sandy hook kid... didn't he have a loaded pool in his pocket too? That's what the military uses to kill brown people... pools!

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Exactly the response I'd expect. School shootings are enough of an endemic to convince you (through specious reasoning) that armed teachers are necessary, but its not an endemic when it comes to gun control. Idiocy.

Gun violence is an endemic that could be lessened with moderate gun control. School shootings are atrocities and catalogued under "isolated incident" because they happen so rarely, as evidenced in the link I provided showing how much more children are at risk outside of school vs. inside.

And dead kids are now due to parenting!? Um no, that's really stupid.

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Some parent failed to raise the shooter correctly.

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So we ban assault rifles and then realize that hand guns are the main weapon of choice in shootings. What's the next step? Ban semi-automatic handguns?

Then what happens when another school shooting happens involving revolvers? At what point, when bad people are still shooting good people with guns does the government say fuck it ban all guns?

Why does it seem that every time something like this happens, the talking heads go straight to gun control. What I am saying there is, banning all guns IS NOT going to keep the kids safe. Where is the nationally televised, front page of CNN reports of these talking heads talking about keeping our kids safe in general?

Why is it always that we as a society REACTS to shit like this, instead of plans for it and puts measures in place to ensure this doesn't happen to begin with?

Gun control is bullshit. I don't need any fucking statistics or graphs of any kind to be able to say with absolute certainty that those people who don't give a shit about laws will NOT turn in their guns. Nor will they have a moment of pause to reconsider attaining one illegally.

There are political leaders in Illinois right now talking about putting a bill up for vote that will pretty much ban gun ownership for law abiding citizens. I am actually praying it happens. So when Chicago who already has some of the strictest gun control laws and is currently near the top of nation with gun crime remains at or near the top, those people that supported the bill can try to explain why near total gun control does not work, yet should be continued to be enforced.


Should I ever decide to buy a gun, it won't be to go hunting, it won't be to go shooting for the pure enjoyment of it. Although I will go to a range to remain proficient at putting rounds where I want them. It will be for home defense. As far as I am concerned, no one in the government needs to know that I own a gun. I don't want my address put up on some new site as a registered gun owner. That's no ones business but mine and my wife's. I only say this because once again, registering guns will NOT stop gun violence. It's a bullshit, symbolic, feel good measure that doesn't do anything to change the psyche of the violent criminal. He's not going to take a moment to think to himself "Oh no this stolen gun that I have may be registered to someone. I better not go shoot someone with it."

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Yeah because, shit, let's not try new ideas. Fuck, they might work, then what will we do?! Better just jam our thumbs up our asses and talk in circles some more!

When President Hillary Clinton starts knocking on doors collecting your guns, sure I will raise my voice with you but this is just lunacy. If you think a baseball bat, string/rope, and knives are on par with guns, you are a fucking moron. I'm sorry but that's the hard truth. There's a reason you don't bring a knife to a gunfight - because you'll be fucking shot! Guns are way quicker and way deadlier, and hell yes guns should be tracked. I bet a lot of you pro-guns people are pissed at Eric Holder and Obama for the Fast and Furious debacle. Well shit, all they did was lose track of guns, how irresponsible! Those guns should have never been unaccounted for! But now when someone mentions tracking private guns its a big no-no. Big Brother will then know about your arsenal and demand you give them up! Aghh, hypothetical future is so scary I can't think straight! Find any polyps while your heads are shoved up your ass? Jesus, use some common sense people. The government tracks my car and transfers of ownership, through the same reasoning I will assume that one day they will come and take it and I will be forced to use public transportation!! The HORROR!

And Nazi Germany?! Again?! We have a black president, that would piss Hitler the hell off. You half ass "patriots" can suck my dick every time you compare this country to Hitler's Germany.

Rant over.

Did you even watch the video I posted here a couple days ago? Made a pretty compelling argument that guns aren't the problem.

If Hillary or Obama came along and banned all guns tomorrow, you would say jack shit other then "Good it's about damn time!" I.O.W you would toe the progressive liberal line.

Tell you what, find some survivors or people who lost loved ones in Oklahoma (Timothy McVeigh, remember that). Ask them how they feel gun control would have worked in their favor. Fact is it didn't. Of course guns being there didn't save em either. My point being, if someone wants to kill someone. They will find a way. I sure as hell know I would rather take a 45 to the back of my head then a baseball bat.

What the fuck does it matter if we have a black president and how Hitler would feel about that? Neither of them points are relative to this. Hitler is dead, there are still tyrants in the world. AND a persons color has no freaking bearing on them being or becoming a tyrant or the next Ghandi. But why am I not surprised that a liberal has to interject color into the argument, why am I also not surprised your not the first liberal to do it.

Bringing race into everything is why I stopped being a liberal.

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