Every time I see your username Jiggy I think that I'm about to enter a party... then I read your post and I am disappointed.

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Yeah, sure do to some extent. Even your own source says only 3% of gun homicides are caused by rifles. Fits very nicely with my belief that concealable guns mostly are the problem (and in fact the AR15 was in the trunk, he killed the kids with handguns).

That said though, I don't see any way that can happen. My new position is as stated earlier in the thread. Make it like a driver's license, make people prove, they have no criminal or mental health issues that make gun ownership dangerous, require that they know applicable state and federal laws, and gun safety, test them on it, then issue the license. Do it just like driver licensing. Whose got a problem with that, and why?

I am certain, someone does, it should be entertaining to hear why this is a bad idea.

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I think it's a great idea. I also don't think it's going to stop bad people from illegally getting guns to kill a person or kill them by some other means.

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It would prevent some. It will also prevent more suicides and accidental shootings.

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I agree, it won't stop many criminals, but I think the ones it won't stop are more likely to be professional career type criminals. I think it will make it a little harder for the average school shooting nutjob to obtain them, or at least obtain them without stealing them from someone (like as in this case his mother I think it was?). I too doubt it would make a huge impact, but it's a start, and I think it would make some difference.

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You morons know the ATF isn't allowed to investigate any arms dealer more than once every 17 years, right? Not allowed to require inventories from dealers, right? Not allowed to do anything, like look at sales right? That the current federal laws are not punishable, pretty much. Background checks are mandated to be destroyed within 24 hours, so, they dont occur. That the NRA did right the current federal laws.

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A lot like the EPA being barred from regulating fracking. Thanks scumbag fuckwad!



He likes to shoot people too! We may never recover from the damage he did us when he held Dubya's puppet strings in the first term.

Deregulate till agencies can't even enforce existing laws seems to be the order of the day.

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I've made my position on this pretty clear, but I just saw this, and if it's true, it's pretty disturbing. Doesn't change my position, but it is pretty telling about how fucked up we truly are.

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Give a rich man 50 assault rifles, and let him arm every member of his family and see how many people they kill.

Give a poor man 50 assault rifles, and let him arm every member of his family and see how many people they kill.

This problem is not about guns, but about violence, family issues, and mental healthcare. Address poverty, healthcare, corporate interests in politics, the prohibitions of drugs(over 6 million incarcerated), our international policy(and the several wars going on), and then you can look back and see how the improved health of this country has affected gun violence.

When you are trying to affect a change to the bill of rights (or further legislation of them) you should take a closer look as to why these changes are truly necessary. Does anyone think that the lawmakers today are more intelligent than the men who wrote our declaration of independence? These laws are there for a reason. I am not really going to mention the horrible incident at Sandy Hook except to say this: No legislation should be in response to a single event. Especially when you consider that the majority of gun violence is done with unregistered weapons.

The second amendment is there so that American citizens can have the opportunity to protect their homes, states, and country in a time of tyranny (as part of a militia in certain cases). I would like to give up my guns and never need them again, but I do not have that high of an opinion of the politics in the world today.

So only rich people are responsible with guns?

The issue is more than just guns. No shit. Guns are absolutely part of the problem. Removing guns isn't a fix-all, but its faster, easier and cheaper than solving the other issues.

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Pearl Harbor, 9-11, OKC Bombing come to mind as single events that required immediate legislation.

I agree that Sandyhook shouldn't be viewed as a single event that required legislation. It was the straw that broke the camel's back after decades of gun violence. Or maybe a better way to put it: How many events does it take until we respond with legislation?

Of course rich people aren't the only people who can be responsible with guns, they are just far more likely to be. Rich people don't need violence to get what they want or need, they can just use money.

Faster, easier, and cheaper than trying to help the root cause than the outcome? Do you think this kid, or any other violent offender uses guns to kill people just because he has a gun? Would restricting access to guns make our society less violent? Restricting access to drugs sure cured addictions in our country, people still get drugs in prisons!

Faster, easier, and cheaper. How about we end the prohibition of drugs and regulate and control them? Bye Bye the majority of gun violence. New revenue streams for the government. No more Americans spending years in prison for non-violent crimes (and turning them violent).



I believe we are thinking of different viewpoints of legislation evan. Maybe I should say instead that we shouldn't further limit the rights in the Bill of Rights over a single event. The legislation after Pearl harbor was congress declaring war iirc, and the OKC bombing, shouldn't have required further legislation imo but I am unaware of the law passed. How many events until we respond with legislation? There isn't a single number, but I would say as many as possible before changes are made. Further legislation very rarely solves the problem that it sets out to solve, and when it does then the law tend to be well-thought out. (not written in a couple of days and pushed through)

However I would say that 7 million would be enough to pass legislation. There were over 7 million Americans in 2009 that were under correctional supervision, 2.5 million of which were in prison cells. These people aren't being rehabilitated, they are being punished. Do some of them deserve it? Yes, but most are there for petty crimes.

I'll get more into how drugs could be controlled rather than outlawed when someone calls me a nutjob for saying that it's a possible solution to violence. Also I'll just leave my favorite Ben Franklin quote here:

This is hilarious.

http://news.yahoo.com/three-hurt-firear ... 51916.html

So a gun accidentally goes off because its owner was dumb enough to keep it loaded in its case, and this Reuters article immediately connects it to gun rights?

That is borderline yellow journalism.

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Can't use specific events can't use huge data... What can we do to overturn such a harmful right?

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I found this letter interesting.

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Do you have any idea what would happen if the government tried to remove all guns? It'd be a law enforcement bloodbath.

Please watch it to the end, his quote at the end should make you think about some of the laws that have been passed over the last 10 (or more) years.

*edit* Maybe we should focus more on what our government agencies are doing with guns.



Also, in Mexico, guns are heavily restricted from the civilians, with most higher caliber weapons being reserved only for the police, military, government agencies, and of course... the cartels who get their weapons illegally (or from the ATF).