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 Post subject: Tom Brady should just retire ...
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I love Tom , but I don't think he can will a team to wins anymore. Don't get me wrong, he is still better than most QB in this league ... not very few QBs are on the other side of 36 years of age.
The Patriots way of playing is old and passed. Brady to Welker ... Brady to Welker ... Brady to Welker ... Duh ...
I like the newer types of QBs better. Wilson, CK7, RG3, ...

Now let's get a few play makers on offense ... Let's find some dynamic powerful receivers ... for RW ... Our time is NOW ... our time has started ... Next Season, the SB is coming to Seattle ...

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Too bad Gronk was out. He's a pretty big weapon.

Tom Brady should demand a trade to a team that has a defense.

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Every team has injured players. The Patriots is Brady and nothing else. Brady has profited all his career from weak divisions to get first round byes and an easy path to the SB.
Good job Ravens ...

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It was just a year ago that everyone was saying how you need an "elite QB" to win in the NFL - a Brady, Rodgers, or Manning.

Now the two teams in the Super Bowl are strong defensive teams, balanced with competent offenses and competent/ above average QBs.

I think this is a good development because it makes winning less dependent on finding an elite QB and allows for more variety in ways to win and more of a variety in ways that you can structure your team and still compete.


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It only shows that guys like Brady, Manning have been constantly oversold by the Media, that want to create supermen out of these guys. Yes, they are good, but it is time credit be given to others.
Look at the mistakes Brady made at the end of the first half. Russell Wilson was blamed last week for a "mistake" that wasn't even as close as what Brady did. This is a 13+ years Veteran?
RW is too short and his passes will be battered by linemen ... how many Brady passes were battered today? LOTS ...and he is 6ft4? or something like that ...

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Tom is still a damn good QB. NE runs a gimmick offense, masking the fact that they don't have receivers who can get separation consistently on their own. Good defenses exploit this, they don't get overwhelmed by the hurry up or the quick snaps or misdirection, Which makes NE a very vanilla offense to defend.

The Patriots need to get a legitimate #1 receiver, or pray Gronkowski can stay healthy if they want any shot at winning another title with Brady.


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Name the last time Brady led his team on a TD drive...

FGs are infinitely easier to get than a TD. He can thank Vinetari for that.

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I'm shocked all these high powered offensive teams haven't figured it out yet. Look at every team that has won the Super bowl the past ten years. They do it with either a really good defense or a really hot defense, regardless how elite their quarterback is. Teams like Green Bay, New Orleans, Atlanta, and New England have virtually no shot in the playoffs unless their defenses get hot at the right time.

The saying "defenses win championships" has never been more true. I made a post awhile back about how the NFL is going to be entering a new more physical cycle shortly and I think I'm spot on so far. Offensive teams are just not going to win super bowls anymore for awhile


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Yes, an elite QB still getting his team to the playoffs every year should just retire.

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Yes, an elite QB still getting his team to the playoffs every year should just retire.

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All those playoff appearances dont mean anything without a Super Bowl ring. They haven't won one since they turned the team over to Brady. When they won the other ones early in the 2000's they had a good defense than they went away from what was working and become a high powered offensive team with a crappy defense.


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Tom is still a damn good QB. NE runs a gimmick offense, masking the fact that they don't have receivers who can get separation consistently on their own. Good defenses exploit this, they don't get overwhelmed by the hurry up or the quick snaps or misdirection, Which makes NE a very vanilla offense to defend.

The Patriots need to get a legitimate #1 receiver, or pray Gronkowski can stay healthy if they want any shot at winning another title with Brady.


How do the Pats run a gimmick offense? They've been like the best Offesne in the NFL for the last 5 years and they consistenly put up 35 points per game. Just because they only scored 13, doesnt mean that the offense is gimmicky.


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Pioli back to NE next season I think. They have lost ground every year since he went to KC, smoke and mirror Db's and inconsistent running game. Brady will keep playing, he loves the limelight and accolades that go with it.

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When you play the Jets, the Dolphins, the Bills every year twice, wouldn't you put 100 points on them consistently?
I don't think the Pats have been as good as the Media wants us to believe.
Brady has kept them from having bad seasons like most teams ... but year after year after year, they play one of the weakest schedule in the league.
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Tom is still a damn good QB. NE runs a gimmick offense, masking the fact that they don't have receivers who can get separation consistently on their own. Good defenses exploit this, they don't get overwhelmed by the hurry up or the quick snaps or misdirection, Which makes NE a very vanilla offense to defend.

The Patriots need to get a legitimate #1 receiver, or pray Gronkowski can stay healthy if they want any shot at winning another title with Brady.


How do the Pats run a gimmick offense? They've been like the best Offesne in the NFL for the last 5 years and they consistenly put up 35 points per game. Just because they only scored 13, doesnt mean that the offense is gimmicky.

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Yes, an elite QB still getting his team to the playoffs every year should just retire.

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All those playoff appearances dont mean anything without a Super Bowl ring. They haven't won one since they turned the team over to Brady. When they won the other ones early in the 2000's they had a good defense than they went away from what was working and become a high powered offensive team with a crappy defense.


Yeah, making the playoffs and winning at least one game almost every year is just as crappy as going 3-13 and picking 1st or 2nd in the draft. Are you freaking serious? Wowwwwwwwwwww.

I don't even know what to say. Well, I do, but this isn't the shack.

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I'm with Roland here. Brady is still playing at a high level. This thread is a head scratcher. Take off the HATE goggles, sheesh.

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amill87 wrote:
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Yes, an elite QB still getting his team to the playoffs every year should just retire.

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All those playoff appearances dont mean anything without a Super Bowl ring. They haven't won one since they turned the team over to Brady. When they won the other ones early in the 2000's they had a good defense than they went away from what was working and become a high powered offensive team with a crappy defense.


They haven't won one since they stopped filming the opponents practice sessions.

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We haven't either..


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i guess everyone on our team should retire too because they haven't won either

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Yeah, making the playoffs and winning at least one game almost every year is just as crappy as going 3-13 and picking 1st or 2nd in the draft. Are you freaking serious? Wowwwwwwwwwww.

I don't even know what to say. Well, I do, but this isn't the shack.


?????

That's not what he's saying - he's saying they haven't won since they made Brady the focal point of the team - a high-powered scoring offense with no running game and no defense - things they had between 00-05.

You know what they say you need to win the superbowl? A good running game and good defense, and it's been the case pretty much every year, though the 09 Saints and 10 Packers screwed with it a bit by not having a running game, their defenses were still pretty outstanding that year.

They went some way to fixing that this year with Ridley and an improved front 7, but until they can defend the pass they'll win nothing


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Stop with the stupid cliches. Most of the time, you need a good OVERALL team to win the Super Bowl. It has nothing to do specifically with the defense, or the offense, or the running game.

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I'm shocked all these high powered offensive teams haven't figured it out yet. Look at every team that has won the Super bowl the past ten years. They do it with either a really good defense or a really hot defense, regardless how elite their quarterback is. Teams like Green Bay, New Orleans, Atlanta, and New England have virtually no shot in the playoffs unless their defenses get hot at the right time.

The saying "defenses win championships" has never been more true. I made a post awhile back about how the NFL is going to be entering a new more physical cycle shortly and I think I'm spot on so far. Offensive teams are just not going to win super bowls anymore for awhile



Love reading the posts...

1st. Pats O needs another WR, and a healthy gronk

2nd if anyone watched the AFCCG game you will notice Baltimore O was doing gawd awful till Talib,Chung AND Jones all went out injured and then suddenly their O was clicking. Pats D has no depth yet and is very young they will only get better.

As for the OP saying Brady should retire, I think he is dead wrong.


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amill87 wrote:
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Yes, an elite QB still getting his team to the playoffs every year should just retire.

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All those playoff appearances dont mean anything without a Super Bowl ring. They haven't won one since they turned the team over to Brady. When they won the other ones early in the 2000's they had a good defense than they went away from what was working and become a high powered offensive team with a crappy defense.



2007 the giants with a KILLER D dominated the game... Absolutly did from beginning to end, but still need a MIRACLE CATCH to win the game, and an epic INT Drop as well.
aND FOR A FAN OF A TEAM THAT IS JUST STARTING TO WIN YOU SURE DO HAVE THAT BAR SET AWFUL HIGH, YOU MUST BE VERY DISAPPOINTED in the Hawks!?!


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Stop with the stupid cliches. Most of the time, you need a good OVERALL team to win the Super Bowl. It has nothing to do specifically with the defense, or the offense, or the running game.



THIS Plus a little bit of luck helps as well.. (a fumble bounces out of bounds instead of into a defenders hands etc.)


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Tom Brady's first 10 playoff games his record was 10-0. He has stayed pretty consistent while his team has gone from having an elite defense to a joke and now he no longer has top receivers or an above average O-line.

His last 14 playoff games he's 7-7. One guy cannot will an entire team to a Super Bowl... If you think Tom Brady can carry an entire team you probably also think Luck/RG3 were the only two rookie QB's in the league this year...


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The OP is on crack.

The Patriots need a better secondary for sure, and their finesse style can be a liability when the weather gets cold and windy, but Tom Brady is still damn good.

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patriots need a secondary, that's what lost them the game sunday, surely not brady... he's got a few good years left in that arm... he's still the man.

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2007 the giants with a KILLER D dominated the game... Absolutly did from beginning to end, but still need a MIRACLE CATCH to win the game, and an epic INT Drop as well.
aND FOR A FAN OF A TEAM THAT IS JUST STARTING TO WIN YOU SURE DO HAVE THAT BAR SET AWFUL HIGH, YOU MUST BE VERY DISAPPOINTED in the Hawks!?!


PatFan, just ignore that guy, like all the other Seahawks posters here are doing; lol.

You guys definitely need to shore up the defense, especially the secondary, though.

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What a joke. He is still probably the best in the game.


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patriots need a secondary, that's what lost them the game sunday, surely not brady... he's got a few good years left in that arm... he's still the man.



Very True, the Pats are way to thin at the CB level to win a SB. IMO if Talib did not get hurt we would have won against the Ravens (they were doing NADA before he got injured) but against SF they have to many weapons and the Pats only have 2 DECENT corners so would have been a total destruction. Key to the Pats off season is resigning Talib and getting another decent nickle corner (Talib,Dennard, McCourty is a nice nucleus in the secondary and hopefully Wilson {the 2nd rnd pick lst yr} keeps developing because IMO the Pats are close to having a decent secondary.)

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The OP is on crack.

The Patriots need a better secondary for sure, and their finesse style can be a liability when the weather gets cold and windy, but Tom Brady is still damn good.


lol

And I don't get the finesse in the AFCCG game, this was the reason they drafted Vareen and Ridley 2 yrs ago, is to be able to pound the ball. (although Pollard Rocked Ridley BIG TIME, was a legal hit but damn I was just glad see Ridley get up after being knocked out.)


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The OP is on crack.

The Patriots need a better secondary for sure, and their finesse style can be a liability when the weather gets cold and windy, but Tom Brady is still damn good.


lol

And I don't get the finesse in the AFCCG game, this was the reason they drafted Vareen and Ridley 2 yrs ago, is to be able to pound the ball. (although Pollard Rocked Ridley BIG TIME, was a legal hit but damn I was just glad see Ridley get up after being knocked out.)

When the Patriots score less than two touchdowns, they got manhandled. And while I respect your run game, it is half based on a high number of offensive snaps and keeping the defense in the wrong personnel with no huddle. Finesse. Your defensive front 7 is not finesse at all.
You have the personnel to play a tough game, but not the philosophy. Running for 150 yards from the shotgun is not physical.
Not a coincidence you lost to the nastiest defenses you faced this year, RavensX2, Seattle, Niners, Cards.

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The OP is on crack.

The Patriots need a better secondary for sure, and their finesse style can be a liability when the weather gets cold and windy, but Tom Brady is still damn good.


lol

And I don't get the finesse in the AFCCG game, this was the reason they drafted Vareen and Ridley 2 yrs ago, is to be able to pound the ball. (although Pollard Rocked Ridley BIG TIME, was a legal hit but damn I was just glad see Ridley get up after being knocked out.)

When the Patriots score less than two touchdowns, they got manhandled. And while I respect your run game, it is half based on a high number of offensive snaps and keeping the defense in the wrong personnel with no huddle. Finesse. Your defensive front 7 is not finesse at all.
You have the personnel to play a tough game, but not the philosophy. Running for 150 yards from the shotgun is not physical.
Not a coincidence you lost to the nastiest defenses you faced this year, RavensX2, Seattle, Niners, Cards.



Actually Baltimore said they figured out the Pats key word on the rush O and thats why it wasn't effective. As for the running game it was working on the drive in the 4th quarter (Pats down by 6) then Pollard almost decapitates Ridley and the fumble just derailed the team as they went down by 13. But gawd of all teams lose to the Ravens only thing worse be the JETS! sigh..(But the silver lining is their D savvy be gone after this year so they will be in 3rd place in the AFC Central lol)


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LOL @ OP.

If you think Tom should retire, then Peyton Manning and Rivers should retire also too.


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Teams like Green Bay, New Orleans, Atlanta, and New England have virtually no shot in the playoffs unless their defenses get hot at the right time.


Virtually no shot? In the last three years, all four of those teams have reached the conference championship, three have reached the Super Bowl, and two have won it.

Hot defense is necessary, hot offense is necessary, hot everything is necessary.

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