Restricting violence on video games is just that, lib.

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Where did I say it should be restricted?

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That's weak sauce!

'Actually, no, even just plain old spanking is still fucking stupid and can cause serious problems later in adult life for those kids, despite every single adult who was ever spanked, ever, being a perfectly responsible and well-adjusted adult with no problems whatsoever'.


so can time outs..... let's see sitting in a corner for 20 minutes? sucks, but after 20 minutes it's all good. and all that teaches me is, if i screw up i'm going to have to chill for a while in a corner.

sitting in your room all day waiting for your dad to get home to break out the belt...and that teaches me if i screw up i'm going to have to deal with a higher power, that will make my life hell when he gets home...

i'll take the 20 minutes in the corner.

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Fear of physical abuse sure works well. See: prison system.

Also, I said earlier that punishments need to be tailored to each kid. 20 minutes in a corner for me when I was a little kid was a punishment I hated. My sister, on the other hand, hated being left alone. Her typical punishment was being banished to her room for a while, away from the family. She was very social at a young age, and as soon as she started getting marched to her bedroom, she'd start begging to be let off the punishment.

My point is that one never needs to physically hit or spank their kids to be effective parents, and it's true. Defend it all you want, but the laziest possible way to discipline is to come home, swat a kid's ass a few times, and be done with it.

LAZY. Period.

Positive reinforcement (rewarding good behavior) works a lot better to foster discipline in any animal (children included) than negative reinforcement, and that has been medically proven for a while.

What would you rather have, a child who respects you for being fair and just, or a child who respects you because they fear you? Which of the two is more likely to stay in line? Pretty obvious answer there.

Physical punishments are barbaric and those who employ them to discipline their children are barbaric.

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Dont you like to talk about your guns and judo skills though? Or, was it tai-bo?

Seems opposite of the above statement. In an abstract kind of way.

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Of course he's aware. But, he doesn't care, because he can whip all of our asses. Tai bo's a mother fucker.

Never blithely insult, be direct.

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Why is that opposite of the above statement? Collecting guns, believing in a right to defend oneself or one's family, and beating one's kid are not mutually inclusive concepts. I, like the vast majority of other people, take an abhorrent view on random acts of unprovoked violence. Is that really so surprising to you?

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Lemme guess, you beat your kids. 'scuse me while I nominate you for parent of the year. Good thing you don't have guns in the home, something horrible could happen.

Don't take my word for it, though, I'm just parroting the opinion of pretty much the entire medical community for the past 30 years. They're the experts, I'm just the hack repeating it.

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My son turns 2 exactly one week from today. No I don't beat him.

Of course, there's the part where the two don't have to be mutually exclusive.

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I agree. We got spankings, up to a certain age, and then got the usual restriction, things taken away, etc. We also received positive reinforcement, good grades meant later curfews, more freedom, etc.

My older brother (5 years older), myself, and my younger sister (5 years younger) all turned out fine. Oh yeah, and we got to play violent video games and watch violent movies.

I attribute my bachelors degree, full time job and eventual graduate degree to my enjoyment of video games. It has just as much credence (actually more) than the morons claiming there is a link between violent games and violent behavior. If there is a link, it exists the other way (violent idiots prefer violent games). There is no causal relationship that has been proven.

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i agree with positive reinforcement, and rewarding good behavior, i also believe in disipline to include a good swat on the butt.. i was spanked as were my siblings, my daughter now 21 was spanked exactly one time in her life by me, and that was all it took, never had to spank her again because she knew what would happen...

i disagree with the lazy part of your argument... my dad spanked us, then when we were done sobbing would sit us down and talk to us about it... he's a good man and a damn good father... so your analogy is a bit insulting, but i do understand where you're coming from... and to call it barbaric is a bit ridiculous IMO..

different upbringings, my parents are from the deep south, back in their day, it was go get me a switch to beat you with, that's how they were brought up, that's how i was brought up, my daughter not so much...

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Different punishments are effective to varying degrees, and each has their place.

Children of different ages respond differently to different punishments. When a kid hits that older toddler to early school age, and starts to push the envelope, they don't really understand a lot of nuance with some of the other types of punishment. You put them in a corner for 20 minutes, they'll likely forget why they're there halfway through it. They do, however, understand it'll be hard to sit down for a half an hour if they screw up badly enough, and that is a deterrent.

And different children respond differently. I know some people who could never be spanked. It would be too traumatic for them, and they wouldn't respond well to it. I on the other hand, needed quite a few spankings to behave, and I feel it was one of very few punishments that actually worked on me. You put me in a corner for 20 minutes, and I'd spend the whole time daydreaming in another world, happily content in a fantasy land of my own making. Hardly a punishment. Take away toys and I'd find something else to do, like read, or play by the creek. Take anything away from me and I'd happily divert my attention to something else. Take it all away, and I'd still have my on little world of imagination. Stuff like that flat-out didn't work on me.

Positive reinforcement works well on overall good behavior, but horribly for dealing with actual infractions. "Hey, little Johnny, you haven't fingerpainted the back fence for over a month now. Here's a trip to the candy store!" There was always something questionable available when I was growing up that I could only resist doing for so long. And it's not like my parents could compile a list and reward on the basis of that, because it was mostly something different every time. And this type of treatment is absolutely worthless once the kid begins to make basic risk-reward analysis and determines no amount of reward is really worth not finding out what's inside that big barn down the road, or seeing what will happen when you mix Coke and Mentos, or determining if cats really are directionless when their whiskers are shaved off. None of that worked on me because eventually I determined: any reward < anything cool enough to get in trouble over.

A spanking did, though. No, it wasn't a beating; my folks didn't grab anything random, or do it on the spur of the moment. There was one thin lady's belt used for the occasion, and I usually had to sit and anticipate it for a while. Unlike sitting in the corner, there's really no mental escape when you're well aware of an impending ass-beating. It always came with a lecture, too, which was just about as bad. And I finally outgrew spankings, when I became old enough to begin making decisions based on sound upbringing and principled values.

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great post... my thoughts exactly.... you said it much better than me... i was the same way, send me to my room, ok, had tons of stuff to do there.. ground me, i eventually got used to that, and still had tons of stuff to do in my room... no tv, ok i'll play cowboys and indians.. the absolute worst punishment was sitting there waiting for my dad to get home..

once i outgrew spankings, i still screwed up, but i had a very definite definition of right and wrong, and a very strong awareness that there is consequences to my actions...did that keep me out of trouble in my adulthood, not always , but i did keep me out of serious trouble, because i knew there was a line you simply do not cross ....

maybe not the best method for raising a kid, but i was very effective for me.. i knew my parents loved me, i also knew my parents weren't going to put up with my bullshit and it'd be my ass if i screwed up...

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There's a litany of evidence that spanking is not anymore effective than anything else, often is less effective than other forms of discipline, and that it can cause a ton of other miscellaneous problems on a deeper, more subtle psychological level. Why are so many of you still defending it? Do you use leeches for bloodletting to cure what ails you, as well? Science has proven spanking is unnecessary and carries a much higher risk of causing various problems later in life; it's time to move on. Stop defending the indefensible.

Those of you defending it are doing so because it's how you were raised. Same excuse the guys that actually beat the shit out of their children use; perpetuating the cycle. Well, break the cycle, already.

Science has proven spanking unnecessary, just like using leeches in medicine. You might want to question the science you're using.

Also, you must not have read my post. I was not per se championing the cause of spanking, only saying that it is one option of discipline that works better than others some of the time, and worse than others some of the time. With some people I know, it would have been a horrible punishment. With me, it was pretty much the only effective method.

I also have yet to see all these psychological problems you say will develop later in life, but I'm waiting patiently. A writer's gotta have a few of those if he's to be a true legend.

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