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 Post subject: The Seattle gun buyback was AWESOME
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Yesterday I attended Seattle's gun buyback, hoping to find people willing to sell me their guns by offering more than the city. I was not unsuccessful in my endeavor. For my effort, I was rewarded with the following bargains:

Kel-Tec Sub 2000 9mm carbine - $150
Olympic Arms AR-15 - $300
Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 Mag - $200

I hope the city has more of these events in the future. Maybe next time the sun will be shining and more people will turn up.

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Hooray, now you can use those to... uhh... shoot targets? Good use of $650!

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Hooray, now you can use those to... uhh... shoot targets? Good use of $650!


Damn right. :P

In all it was just $350 as a friend of mine begged me to sell him the Oly Arms AR-15 and I didn't hesitate to oblige him as AR-15s are crap to begin with and models by Oly Arms are some of the crappiest of all.

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Generally all these buy-back programs do is pull in a bunch of worthless pieces of crap that nobody wants anyway.

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Generally all these buy-back programs do is pull in a bunch of worthless pieces of crap that nobody wants anyway.


I ran into this issue as well. There was absolutely no shortage of people wanting to sell me their old piece, but I did run into a shortage of people with decent arms for sale. Can't tell you how many Makarov pistols and Mosin Nagant rifles people tried to offload on me. I wasn't the only one with this idea, either, as at least a half dozen people were doing the same thing. My schtick worked, though, as I was dressed in a suit and tie, bearing a sign that said "This responsible gun owner will pay double, in CA$H, for your gun".

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Generally all these buy-back programs do is pull in a bunch of worthless pieces of crap that nobody wants anyway.


I ran into this issue as well. There was absolutely no shortage of people wanting to sell me their old piece, but I did run into a shortage of people with decent arms for sale. Can't tell you how many Makarov pistols and Mosin Nagant rifles people tried to offload on me. I wasn't the only one with this idea, either, as at least a half dozen people were doing the same thing. My schtick worked, though, as I was dressed in a suit and tie, bearing a sign that said "This responsible gun owner will pay double, in CA$H, for your gun".


This is a great example of why we need stronger gun laws/enforcement. A guy in a suit can buy all the guns he wants to, and no one knows a thing about him.

He could be a terrorist, serial killer, hit man, mentally unstable, etc, etc, etc. Literally, all he did was walk down the street with money in his hand.

And not only did he buy guns, he even re-sold one!

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Generally all these buy-back programs do is pull in a bunch of worthless pieces of crap that nobody wants anyway.


I ran into this issue as well. There was absolutely no shortage of people wanting to sell me their old piece, but I did run into a shortage of people with decent arms for sale. Can't tell you how many Makarov pistols and Mosin Nagant rifles people tried to offload on me. I wasn't the only one with this idea, either, as at least a half dozen people were doing the same thing. My schtick worked, though, as I was dressed in a suit and tie, bearing a sign that said "This responsible gun owner will pay double, in CA$H, for your gun".


This is a great example of why we need stronger gun laws/enforcement. A guy in a suit can buy all the guns he wants to, and no one knows a thing about him.

He could be a terrorist, serial killer, hit man, mentally unstable, etc, etc, etc. Literally, all he did was walk down the street with money in his hand.

And not only did he buy guns, he even re-sold one!



Would stronger gun laws stop a criminal / terrorist or mentally unstable person from doing the same thing as described in the OP?

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Just because a law cannot stop EVERYONE, does not mean there should be no laws. Do rape laws stop all rape? How about DUI laws, do they stop people from drinking and driving? Do pedophile laws stop people from abusing children?

When a person can simply walk down the street and buy/resale guns with no background check, license, etc., it is fairly obvious our present laws/enforcement need fixing.

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Just because a law cannot stop EVERYONE, does not mean there should be no laws. Do rape laws stop all rape? How about DUI laws, do they stop people from drinking and driving? Do pedophile laws stop people from abusing children?

When a person can simply walk down the street and buy/resale guns with no background check, license, etc., it is fairly obvious our present laws/enforcement need fixing.


/shrug

One thing I can say for certain. Everything I did was done within the confines of the law as it's written now. On this day, no fucks were given.

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When a person can simply walk down the street and buy/resale guns with no background check, license, etc., it is fairly obvious our present laws/enforcement need fixing.


I am just stating the obvious when I say that regardless of the laws, this scenario is going to take place (legal or illegal) and bad people are going to get guns just like they can get dope. I respect your right to voice your opinion on the need for more legislation, just disagree with your premise for it in this thread. I actually have no issues with laws that require the private sale/transfer of firearms to be regulated thru your local LE Agency via background check, but then I’m no criminal/terrorist.

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Just because a law cannot stop EVERYONE, does not mean there should be no laws. Do rape laws stop all rape? How about DUI laws, do they stop people from drinking and driving? Do pedophile laws stop people from abusing children?

When a person can simply walk down the street and buy/resale guns with no background check, license, etc., it is fairly obvious our present laws/enforcement need fixing.


/shrug

One thing I can say for certain. Everything I did was done within the confines of the law as it's written now. On this day, no fucks were given.


That's my point exactly! No laws were broken.

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Yes there's definitely a problem here. The gun lobby constantly complains about the thousands of gun laws on the books that aren't stopping gun violence when a new law is proposed.

It's a pretty obvious law that is needed if Smokin can purchase weaponry in a parking lot I assume (?) from strangers without any record of the firearm changing hands. If that's not illegal I have to assume posting a "WTB a weapon" ad on Craigslist and the subsequent transaction is legal as well. If there are regulations that apply to gun dealers when transferring ownership they should apply to private citizens as well.

Remove the hundreds or thousands of useless laws on the books and keep and add to those remaining that make sense.


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Yes there's definitely a problem here. The gun lobby constantly complains about the thousands of gun laws on the books that aren't stopping gun violence when a new law is proposed.

It's a pretty obvious law that is needed if Smokin can purchase weaponry in a parking lot I assume (?) from strangers without any record of the firearm changing hands. If that's not illegal I have to assume posting a "WTB a weapon" ad on Craigslist and the subsequent transaction is legal as well. If there are regulations that apply to gun dealers when transferring ownership they should apply to private citizens as well.

Remove the hundreds or thousands of useless laws on the books and keep and add to those remaining that make sense.


The transactions occurred right on the Seattle city sidewalk, in plain view of Seattle's finest. You would be correct in that placing a "want to buy" ad on Craigslist is totally legal, though it's against the Craigslist terms of service.

Did you know it's a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison for attaching an American-made stock to a Russian SKS rifle, unless you also attach a minimum of four other American made parts? One minor, cosmetic, ergonomic change to an SKS rifle and you could be going down for 10 years. Did you know that if your firearm malfunctions and fires more than one round in a single trigger pull, despite being built as a semi-automatic weapon, you are guilty of manufacturing a machine gun and can spend the next 10 years in prison? Absurd, isn't it?

The pro-gun lobbyists protest new laws for good reason - the old laws will still be on the books even after passing the bigger, better, newer law. There are some folks, myself included, who wouldn't mind some minor revisions to the existing law, such as nixing the gun show loophole, provided that we could slack up on certain things, such as the 1986 moratorium on machine guns, which had absolutely no appreciable impact on crime. I would also be willing to accept more stringent controls on the sale and transfer of guns, provided that it did not impede my own ability to purchase, and provided that they lift the 1986 moratorium, along with something known as "922R". Restore my access to weapons to a state as it existed prior to 1986 and I would be on board with closing the so-called gun show loophole.

It isn't going to happen, though. This isn't about what rights we have. It's about what rights we're allowed to have - for now. When said rights are taken away or restricted, it's damn near impossible to get them back. THAT is why the pro-gun lobbyists are so unyielding in their stance.

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Looks like I made the news, though I'm not in any of these pics.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01 ... by-police/

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Looks like I made the news, though I'm not in any of these pics.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01 ... by-police/



Were you the one who bought the rocket launcher? :lol:

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Looks like I made the news, though I'm not in any of these pics.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01 ... by-police/



Were you the one who bought the rocket launcher? :lol:

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Nope. Funny thing is that device (I believe it to be an SA-7 surface-to-air missile launcher) is one time use only, can't be reloaded, and the spent tubes frequently found their way into surplus outlets where they were sold as demilitarized curiosities. I would be willing to bet that holds true with this one as well.

I'm curious to learn what happens to it as provided it isn't property of the US military, it should be returned to its rightful owner (the guy who purchased it on the street).

Wouldn't surprise me a bit if the thing was planted as so to help further sensationalize the cause.

As an aside, I am taking the Ruger Super Blackhawk to the range tonight after work. I still can't believe I scored it for $300.

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US military doesn't use SA-7's. Those are Soviet-made weapons, and quite common throughout the world.

And Smokin' I agree with your sentiment on new laws. The problem really boils down to the fact that laws are made to address the perception of crime, rather than being made to address crime itself. That's why they only create the illusion of safety, rather than fixing anything.

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I feel much safer now. Thanks.


Wanna know what at least a few criminals are thinking right now, having seen a bunch of new guns circulate to others?

"Gee, probably not a good idea to try anything around here. You never know who has a gun."

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US military doesn't use SA-7's. Those are Soviet-made weapons, and quite common throughout the world.

And Smokin' I agree with your sentiment on new laws. The problem really boils down to the fact that laws are made to address the perception of crime, rather than being made to address crime itself. That's why they only create the illusion of safety, rather than fixing anything.


You are right they don't use the SA-7 (though the Stinger is damn near the same thing), however they do occasionally wind up in the hands of our military for demonstrations, training, etc. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if it ended up coming over as a prize some enlisted man took while in the sandbox.

While I will begrudgingly admit that our system does make it easy (in some problem states, anyway) for criminals to get their hands on a gun, I won't so much as consider supporting any new legislation to combat the issue until the 1986 moratorium and 922R restrictions are lifted. What I would like to see is a clear line drawn in the sand and afforded the full protection of the 2nd Amendment, particularly the part where it says "shall not be infringed".

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