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  • My deepest fear about this choice is that "JJ" secretly stands for Jar Jar...
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  • Vetamur wrote:My deepest fear about this choice is that "JJ" secretly stands for Jar Jar...


    Lol! Abrams would get poisoned in his sleep.
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  • Vetamur wrote:My deepest fear about this choice is that "JJ" secretly stands for Jar Jar...


    I dunno, I'd pay good money to go and just watch the audience's reaction to that. Could be the greatest con job in the history of movies.
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  • Sarlacc83 wrote:Unfortunately, it's too late to cast the original trio but damn what I would give to see them adapt Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire trilogy.

    Edit: Fixed a typo.


    The Heir to the Empire trilogy IS Episode 7 8 and 9 to me. I get that it's impossible now, and that really sucks, but to me that was the next inevitable part of the story presented in Lucas' original three.
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  • Read a lil blurb where Terance Stamp (peaches body and appearence double) ripped Lucas for his direction in Star Wars. No one worked opposite Natalie - instead she was a spot on a greenscreen.

    Lucas sucks.
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  • pehawk wrote:Read a lil blurb where Terance Stamp (peaches body and appearence double) ripped Lucas for his direction in Star Wars. No one worked opposite Natalie - instead she was a spot on a greenscreen.

    Lucas sucks.


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  • pehawk wrote:instead she was a spot on a greenscreen.

    Lucas sucks.


    Who WASN'T a spot on a green screen? Pretty much the entire newer trilogy was filmed that way, and the fact that it made even actors we KNOW are good actors, like Liam Neeson, act poorly...Tells you a lot about depending on your entire cast sitting inside in front of a green screen.
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  • pehawk wrote:Read a lil blurb where Terance Stamp (peaches body and appearence double) ripped Lucas for his direction in Star Wars. No one worked opposite Natalie - instead she was a spot on a greenscreen.

    Lucas sucks.


    Watch the Red Letter Media reviews of the prequels. They pretty thoroughly torch George Lucas for sitting behind monitors for pretty much the entire shoot while sometimes standing up to hand out basic directions before returning to his seat.
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  • He's never been an "actor's director". Gave minimal guidance in Ep 4. Ep 5 was directed by a guy with a much better relationship with performers. Watching Portman in later movies left me stunned how little Lucas got out of her in the prequels.
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  • I am a huge fan of Abrams even if I am not always a fan of his movies (Star Trek was awesome though- Montana you are on crack).

    I don't know if he fits Star Wars per se. I think he'd be perfect for Indiana Jones but that series can't survive without Harrison Ford. The original Star Wars films always had a campy charm to it, and all 3 of the originals contained "alien horror" elements that helped give the universe a much more savage feel. In that sense, I think Star Wars would probably be more suited to someone like Peter Jackson or Sam Raimi who have experience with top end special effects and horror/monster genre stuff- and both even have a bit of the same horror-cheesiness that Lucas had before he started to suck. Like Jackson and Raimi, Abrams has some horror/monster film background which will go well with re-introducing the series to the weird but awesome bestiary of the original trilogy.

    Bottom line, I don't think Disney could have done much better than Abrams. And if Abrams says no, and options 2,3,4, and 5 all say no, you might be down to guys like Michael Bay, or an unproven director that could prove an even bigger disaster. We all thought that Star Wars would become a joke. Maybe it still will. But at least Abrams gives us a solar flare of hope.
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  • Also, I wouldn't expect Abrams to stick with Star Wars long. I'd say 3 movies, tops, probably 2. Disney wants to turn it into a James Bond type franchise, and as with long series like James Bond and Harry Potter, you can expect the director to change every couple of movies, even if the previous director did an awesome job.
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  • Maybe Disney won't be a cheap piece of crap, and will pay a good director enough money to direct 7 or 8 of 'em. Pipe dream, I suppose...
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  • kearly wrote:Also, I wouldn't expect Abrams to stick with Star Wars long. I'd say 3 movies, tops, probably 2. Disney wants to turn it into a James Bond type franchise, and as with long series like James Bond and Harry Potter, you can expect the director to change every couple of movies, even if the previous director did an awesome job.


    Abrams will move on after two movies indeed, but it won't be just because of Disney keeping the rotation fresh. Abrams has ADD and can't stay focused on any one project for long. Leaves a trail of unfinished projects in his wake ("What About Brian", "Six Degrees", "Undercovers", "Alcatraz") and his successful ones get taken on by others.

    And "Trek" was horribly forced writing and sheeny melodrama. I cannot fathom how so many smart media consumers on this board enjoyed that movie. It's like a body-snatchers conspiracy.
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  • Montana right now in this thread:

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  • You, on the other hand...

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  • I've not even seen the Star Trek movie, nor do I know more than a tiny bit about Star Trek. Since I haven't claimed to, I'm not sure how I can have my head up there in this thread?
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  • OK, fine, I'll change the victims of recto-cranial inversion to Pehawk and Kearly. :P
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  • That works! Though, I don't know how much merit there is in that accusation. I'm serious when I say I know nothing about Star Trek, lol. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt! :)
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  • I'm not even going to argue. I don't have to. Based on what critics and audiences thought (95%, one of the highest Rotten Tomato scores of 2009, and one of the highest rated summer blockbusters ever), you might as well be Baghdad Bob on this one Brandon. :)
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  • Montana's new nickname should be Baghdad Bob, for awhile at least.
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  • kearly wrote:I'm not even going to argue. I don't have to. Based on what critics and audiences thought (95%, one of the highest Rotten Tomato scores of 2009, and one of the highest rated summer blockbusters ever), you might as well be Baghdad Bob on this one Brandon. :)


    All that shows is that 95% of critics don't understand what Trek is. There were plenty of critics, FWIW, who admitted as an aside that XI showed little depth or greater purpose and had a swiss cheese plot, but were apparently fine with that since it was a reboot. Curiosity, the suck of "Nemesis", and its reboot nature helped it a lot.

    Once XII proves just as stupidly written and it starts sinking in with people that Abrams has little on his mind besides typical popcorn action and cheap emotion, I'll bet the critical honeymoon will die down considerably. Abrams might manage to keep the box office bubble going with the whole tired "it is Khan?" shtick, though you'll probably see more critics take shots at the movie purely out of annoyance over it.

    If you want a more insightful review, read [url]http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090506/REVIEWS/905069997]Roger Ebert's dissenting opinion[/url]. Gives it a fair shake.
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  • Montanahawk05, you must realize Star Trek has the most ubercritical fans in every culture on the planet and you are telling all 999 gagillion of them that they are wrong? At this point all i can think of is that your expectations were completely unrealistic. Saying that your opinion is in the minority is a massive understatement.

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  • ShyCheetah wrote:Montanahawk05, you must realize Star Trek has the most ubercritical fans in every culture on the planet and you are telling all 999 gagillion of them that they are wrong? At this point all i can think of is that your expectations were completely unrealistic. Saying that your opinion is in the minority is a massive understatement.

    Shy.


    I know my opinion is in the minority. And I don't often go "screw everyone else, they're wrong" on things. But since we're talking about something that doesn't matter much, then I feel pretty comfortable in my opinion even if it is in the minority.
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  • Montana, you are the you're wrong guy, that's you.

    I'm curious, can you rank the films? Or top 5 so we have context?
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  • pehawk wrote:Montana, you are the you're wrong guy, that's you.

    I'm curious, can you rank the films? Or top 5 so we have context?


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  • I'd go;

    Kahn
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    Galaxy Quest (unofficial)
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  • Galaxy Quest was a way smarter movie than XI.

    Just got done watching the "Lost" pilot, which Abrams wrote AND directed, and remembered how awesome it was on every level. So it's not like he can't do great work. He just didn't do it here.
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  • Well, Abrams was also assigned with reenergizing the base AND bringing in new audiences. Have to factor that in. That was accomplished. I think his 2nd one will be a lil more aligned with what we're accustom too.

    I'm hoping its darker than the other ones.
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  • I don't think we'll know if he REALLY brought in new audiences until we see the box office returns for XII, and see how much of XI's success was just curiosity. Of course, like I said, JJ's stupid "is it Khan?" campaign will probably keep the returns inflated.
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Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:55 pm
  • So, Carrie Fisher is now confirmed for the new movie. Harrison Ford was earlier. Now all we're waiting on is Mark Hamill. Cool stuff.

    http://io9.com/5988790/carrie-fisher-confirms-shes-returning-to-star-wars

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Re: Star Wars
Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:38 pm
  • "change all the depends on detention level four, all the depends on detention level four" lol...still would be cool though.
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Re: Star Wars
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Re: Star Wars
Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:10 pm
  • As long as they don't bring back the actor who played R2-D2; he's probably grown taller since then.
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Re: Star Wars
Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:14 pm
  • I just hope she wears a gold bikini in the new movies ;)
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Re: Star Wars
Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:09 am
  • Of course Mark Hamil will be in the new ones. What else does he have to do, be the voice of the Joker some more?
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Re: Star Wars
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  • ...I have a very bad feeling about this.
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Re: Star Wars
Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:31 am
  • Thats good. I loathed the idea of going full-tilt about Solo and Luke's offspring.

    Is JarJar in for sure? Anyone hear?
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Re: Star Wars
Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:40 am
  • HawkGA wrote:Of course Mark Hamil will be in the new ones. What else does he have to do, be the voice of the Joker some more?


    I know, right? I can't imagine his plate is so full that he can't block off some time in the coming years to be part of something ridiculously huge, not to mention something that launched what career he has had.
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Re: Star Wars
Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:48 am
  • pehawk wrote:

    Is JarJar in for sure? Anyone hear?


    Yep. Part will be played by Andy Serkis, per IMDB.
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Re: Star Wars
Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:54 am
  • Thanks peaches. Is Wicket in? I loved that song "Nub-Nub".

    Have I mentioned how much I HATE Lucas? Like really, HATE him. I hate him for raping that franchise and the how his face looks the same if turned upside-down.
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Re: Star Wars
Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:05 am
  • nategreat wrote:As long as they don't bring back the actor who played R2-D2; he's probably grown taller since then.


    Not likely. He was an adult when he played in the original trilogy and he played him again in the prequel trilogy some 20 years later. Psst...there are these people called little people who don't grow very much their entire lives.
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Re: Star Wars
Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:07 am
  • pehawk wrote:Thanks peaches. Is Wicket in? I loved that song "Nub-Nub".

    Have I mentioned how much I HATE Lucas? Like really, HATE him. I hate him for raping that franchise and the how his face looks the same if turned upside-down.


    Yes, Warwick Davis will be reprising his role as Wicket, thanks to his recent resurgence after appearing in 'Life's too short' and 'An idiot Abroad 3'.
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Re: Star Wars
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  • Seahawk Sailor wrote:P.S.: looked for the old thread about J.J. Abrams directing it but couldn't find it. Think it's fallen past the edge of the .NET world. I'll merge this one with that if it's found.


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Re: Star Wars
Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:24 am
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    nategreat wrote:As long as they don't bring back the actor who played R2-D2; he's probably grown taller since then.


    Not likely. He was an adult when he played in the original trilogy and he played him again in the prequel trilogy some 20 years later. Psst...there are these people called little people who don't grow very much their entire lives.


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Re: Star Wars
Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:29 am
  • Seanhawk wrote:
    nategreat wrote:As long as they don't bring back the actor who played R2-D2; he's probably grown taller since then.


    Not likely. He was an adult when he played in the original trilogy and he played him again in the prequel trilogy some 20 years later. Psst...there are these people called little people who don't grow very much their entire lives.


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Re: Star Wars
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  • I hope they don't screw with EU canon. They should have their story take place after the Fate of the Jedi series. They could even determine the story for Vestara. Most importantly, don't have characters that don't exist in the EU at the time this film takes place.



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    If Jacen, Anakin, and Mara are alive and it takes place sometime after their deaths in the EU, I'll be very annoyed.
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Re: Star Wars
Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:43 am
  • RolandDeschain wrote:I hope they don't screw with EU canon. They should have their story take place after the Fate of the Jedi series. They could even determine the story for Vestara. Most importantly, don't have characters that don't exist in the EU at the time this film takes place.



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    If Jacen, Anakin, and Mara are alive and it takes place sometime after their deaths in the EU, I'll be very annoyed.


    From what little I've heard (admittedly very little) the EU as it stands now will have very little bearing on what they do with these new movies. I do hope there's some consistency though. I'm not gonna be happy if they change everything. Gonna have to be one hell of a series to get away with that.
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Re: Star Wars
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  • Zeb, if they go in a new direction, I'm perfectly fine with that; but what I don't want them to do is conflict with existing EU in any meaningful way.
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