As per Jon Ryan twitter @JonRyan9:
"If Chris Culliver isn't suspended by Goodell then I am absolutely embarrassed to be part of a league that accepts this type of behavior."
Good for him for publicly standing up for tolerance.
Tru2RedNGold25 wrote:Us as Niners fan have every right to rep Niners all day everyday when we have the hardware to back it up do can u guys say that???
Rocket wrote:The employer has NO right to control a man verbalizing his opinion when he's off the clock. We have a god-given constitutional right to differ and say so...
Tru2RedNGold25 wrote:Us as Niners fan have every right to rep Niners all day everyday when we have the hardware to back it up do can u guys say that???
Tru2RedNGold25 wrote:Us as Niners fan have every right to rep Niners all day everyday when we have the hardware to back it up do can u guys say that???
400WattHPSHawk wrote:Thanks Raz.
Tru2RedNGold25 wrote:Us as Niners fan have every right to rep Niners all day everyday when we have the hardware to back it up do can u guys say that???
Tailspin Hawk Fan wrote:Actually, tho I do like Jon speaking up - I don't really feel Culliver should be suspended.
Tru2RedNGold25 wrote:Us as Niners fan have every right to rep Niners all day everyday when we have the hardware to back it up do can u guys say that???
The Outfield wrote:Eh... Even if you disagree with what he said (I do), I don't see why he should be suspended for freedom of speech.
I mean, if he had said it on the field, I would agree with suspending him. Otherwise, I don't.
olyfan63 wrote:being honest about what he thinks about a hypothetical situation
Tru2RedNGold25 wrote:Us as Niners fan have every right to rep Niners all day everyday when we have the hardware to back it up do can u guys say that???
The Outfield wrote:Eh... Even if you disagree with what he said (I do), I don't see why he should be suspended for freedom of speech.
Hawkspur wrote:Freedom of speech is a bit of a misnomer. Would you be in favor of letting someone say whatever they want under the banner of freedom of speech if they were coming out in support of al Qaeda or the Nazis?
400WattHPSHawk wrote:Hawkspur wrote:Freedom of speech is a bit of a misnomer. Would you be in favor of letting someone say whatever they want under the banner of freedom of speech if they were coming out in support of al Qaeda or the Nazis?
Isn't that the way we've always been here?
400WattHPSHawk wrote:The Constitution of the United States, should, and still does, trump corporate by-laws (for now).
Hawkspur wrote:400WattHPSHawk wrote:The Constitution of the United States, should, and still does, trump corporate by-laws (for now).
If that's the case then he'll have little to worry about.
400WattHPSHawk wrote:The Constitution of the United States, should, and still does, trump corporate by-laws (for now).
pinksheets wrote:Try calling your boss a litany of racial slurs and see if the Constitution helps you.
400WattHPSHawk wrote:pinksheets wrote:Try calling your boss a litany of racial slurs and see if the Constitution helps you.
I only read the article and did not see or hear any audio/visual of the press conference. But i get the gist of it.
So where do the racial slurs come in?
400WattHPSHawk wrote:Hawkspur wrote:400WattHPSHawk wrote:The Constitution of the United States, should, and still does, trump corporate by-laws (for now).
If that's the case then he'll have little to worry about.
As it should be. He didn't murder anyone or even physically harm anyone. People talk shit every day.
SouthSoundHawk wrote:Does this hurt the NFL's image?
Is it not Roger Goodell's job to "protect the shield?"
Just a few things to think about. No need to answer them, think of them as rhetorical.
Suspension? If I were RG I'd enforce this during training camps, and the preseason games, and make sure he just keeps this kind of talk for home and around friends. I just don't see the need for it inside a locker room or around any NFL facility, what would be the purpose...
kidhawk wrote:SouthSoundHawk wrote:Does this hurt the NFL's image?
Is it not Roger Goodell's job to "protect the shield?"
Just a few things to think about. No need to answer them, think of them as rhetorical.
Suspension? If I were RG I'd enforce this during training camps, and the preseason games, and make sure he just keeps this kind of talk for home and around friends. I just don't see the need for it inside a locker room or around any NFL facility, what would be the purpose...
Honestly, I don't think this should be an NFL issue, but a team issue. The team needs to be able to decide for itself what consequence it feels is best for the behavior shown by a representative of them. If the Niners feel they've done what they feel is best in the eyes of their organization, than I'm ok with it. Afterall, it's not like he is hurting my team
Hawkspur wrote:I'll also add that when I was a teenager I had 5 or 6 friends/acquaintances who were outwardly homophobic. A decade or so later, 3 of them came out, but only after a few years of doing their best to make a few classmates' and teachers' lives miserable.
I'd imagine that a locker room full of alpha-male types would be intimidating workplace in which to be gay. After seeing what happened at high school I always wonder about someone's motives when someone makes an aggressively homophobic statement.
Sarlacc83 wrote:kidhawk wrote:SouthSoundHawk wrote:Does this hurt the NFL's image?
Is it not Roger Goodell's job to "protect the shield?"
Just a few things to think about. No need to answer them, think of them as rhetorical.
Suspension? If I were RG I'd enforce this during training camps, and the preseason games, and make sure he just keeps this kind of talk for home and around friends. I just don't see the need for it inside a locker room or around any NFL facility, what would be the purpose...
Honestly, I don't think this should be an NFL issue, but a team issue. The team needs to be able to decide for itself what consequence it feels is best for the behavior shown by a representative of them. If the Niners feel they've done what they feel is best in the eyes of their organization, than I'm ok with it. Afterall, it's not like he is hurting my team
So, we have more proof that Harbaugh is a complete douchebag since he cares more about winning than making sure the right message is sent? Sounds right to me.
pinksheets wrote:400WattHPSHawk wrote:pinksheets wrote:Try calling your boss a litany of racial slurs and see if the Constitution helps you.
I only read the article and did not see or hear any audio/visual of the press conference. But i get the gist of it.
So where do the racial slurs come in?
The point being that your freedom of speech is not absolute in all venues. It pertains to state limitations of speech and that's about it. Your employer can fire you for saying things they deem against their policy AT work, ABOUT work, while representing work, or in public while identifying yourself as a part of the organization. You have no freedom of speech on this forum, you have no freedom of speech at work, you have no freedom of speech in your interpersonal relationships. You can be punished for saying awful things in several facets of life in several ways, you just, for the most part, can't be so by the state. Corporate bylaws don't trump the Constitution, they just operate entirely separately and the Constitution offers you little to no protection in these instances.
The reason I used racial slurs was that racist comments are easily equatable with homophobic ones, though many seem to be amazingly more forgiving about the latter. You can't say whatever you want without consequences, you have to make responsible decisions as an adult and not be a jerkoff.
NFL personal conduct policy wrote:Personal Conduct Policy
All persons associated with the NFL are required to avoid "conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the National Football League." This requirement applies to players, coaches, other team employees, owners, game officials and all others privileged to work in the National Football League.
For many years, it has been well understood that rules promoting lawful, ethical, and responsible conduct serve the interests of the League, its players, and fans. Illegal or irresponsible conduct does more than simply tarnish the offender. It puts innocent people at risk, sullies the reputation of others involved in the game, and undermines public respect and support for the NFL.
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/spo ... z2JgE0FnjZ
razgriz737 wrote:Rocket wrote:The employer has NO right to control a man verbalizing his opinion when he's off the clock. We have a god-given constitutional right to differ and say so...
The Constitution only protects free speech from government interference. People get fired for Facebook postings all of the time.
Hawkspur wrote:400WattHPSHawk wrote:The Constitution of the United States, should, and still does, trump corporate by-laws (for now).
If that's the case then he'll have little to worry about.
AbsolutNET wrote:If he was a white guy saying "Hell no I'm not sharing a locker room with any black guys" he would have been cut by now. I'd imagine some sort of punishment by his employer would be reasonable in this case.
The Outfield wrote:Eh... Even if you disagree with what he said (I do), I don't see why he should be suspended for freedom of speech.
AbsolutNET wrote:If he was a white guy saying "Hell no I'm not sharing a locker room with any black guys" he would have been cut by now. I'd imagine some sort of punishment by his employer would be reasonable in this case.
MrCarey wrote:AbsolutNET wrote:If he was a white guy saying "Hell no I'm not sharing a locker room with any black guys" he would have been cut by now. I'd imagine some sort of punishment by his employer would be reasonable in this case.
Came to post exactly this.
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