Trade Rice?

Bobblehead":lmfcsp46 said:

SharkHawk":lmfcsp46 said:

Bobblehead":lmfcsp46 said:

Decoy?
Really?
I don't think so.. In fact I think Russell Wilson would .. be out there tomorrow, getting his timing with him.. Russell would be a happy camper, I have no doubt.

10 to 15 million, yeah, thats why rice would have to be gone, don't want to pay for both.

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Russell would be there tomorrow, unfortunately he'd be throwing to a pretend Wallace, because there is no way in hell that fool would show up before the day he is required to in order to get paychecks. He's shown to be a pretty selfish guy. I'm not going to get into the big long discussion about his work ethic, because yes, he is talented and fast. But... he also is a griper. I don't imagine ending up in Seattle with more money would all of a sudden turn him into a super duper teammate. We've been down this road with Branch and Galloway. Both guys got their big payday and were still just as big of a dink afterward. In fact.... Branch got exponentially worse.

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That maybe so,
I was just responding to somebody that Wilson probably would relish having a wr as Wallace, or Fitz.

Things change, motivation changes, who knows, I don't know for sure, but you never know, Wallace may in fact get excited to play with Wilson instead of that guy in Pitts. Hate to label anybody.

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Since you're so keen on stats. I checked stats for Sidney Rice and Mike Wallace. They are quite similar except for the amount of receptions. The one thing that stood out to me though is avg yards per recep. Sidney averaged 15.0 whereas the blazing Mike Wallace averaged 13.9. One of the things that Rice does, that Wallace doesn't is that he's not afraid to make a catch in the middle of the field. Usually Antonio Brown, Heath Miller, and Sanders do that for the Steelers. Also Rice comes back to help his QB most of the times, does Wallace do that? I like Wallace but not at the expense of Rice.

http://www.nfl.com/player/sidneyrice/2495718/profile - Sidney Rice stats
http://www.steelers.com/team/roster/Mike-Wallace/304eecdf-1b60-4dc4-9cd8-7808d9f5c97a - Mike Wallace stats

Year Team G GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ 1st
2009 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 4 39 756 19.4 60 6 14 6 28
2010 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 16 60 1257 21.0 56 10 26 10 48
2011 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 14 72 1193 16.6 95 8 18 7 54
2012 Pittsburgh Steelers 15 14 64 836 13.1 82 8 9 4 33
TOTAL
63 48 235 4042 17.2 95 32 67 27 163

Year Team G GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ 1st
2007 Minnesota Vikings 13 4 31 396 12.8 60 4 3 2 25
2008 Minnesota Vikings 13 3 15 141 9.4 23 4 1 0 12
2009 Minnesota Vikings 16 14 83 1312 15.8 63 8 19 7 59
2010 Minnesota Vikings 6 5 17 280 16.5 46 2 5 1 14
2011 Seattle Seahawks 9 9 32 484 15.1 52 2 7 2 19
2012 Seattle Seahawks 16 16 50 748 15.0 46 7 11 2 37
TOTAL
73 51 228 336114.7 63 27 46 14 166

things that stand out
Not sure where you got 13.9.. more 17.2
The other things that stand out is how many games Rice has missed.
How many longer passes.

One of the things we noticed while watching the games is how often they DON'T come back for the ball.. Wilson stands in the pocket, running around. they don't come back.. why?

Sorry about the disheveled stats.. they look fine in the editor.

Wallace is not a fit for Seattle. He needs a pass first offense. Seems to me this is all an exercise in creating a problem in Seattle where there is none.

The writing has been on the wall since head coach Mike Tomlin demoted Wallace to "co-starter" with Emmanuel Sanders in November. The speedster went on to complain about his role in coordinator Todd Haley's spread-the-wealth offense while struggling with concentration and effort.

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000 ... ooks-bleak

Bobblehead":3bx3onez said:

Year Team G GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ 1st
2009 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 4 39 756 19.4 60 6 14 6 28
2010 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 16 60 1257 21.0 56 10 26 10 48
2011 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 14 72 1193 16.6 95 8 18 7 54
2012 Pittsburgh Steelers 15 14 64 836 13.1 82 8 9 4 33
TOTAL
63 48 235 4042 17.2 95 32 67 27 163

Year Team G GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ 1st
2007 Minnesota Vikings 13 4 31 396 12.8 60 4 3 2 25
2008 Minnesota Vikings 13 3 15 141 9.4 23 4 1 0 12
2009 Minnesota Vikings 16 14 83 1312 15.8 63 8 19 7 59
2010 Minnesota Vikings 6 5 17 280 16.5 46 2 5 1 14
2011 Seattle Seahawks 9 9 32 484 15.1 52 2 7 2 19
2012 Seattle Seahawks 16 16 50 748 15.0 46 7 11 2 37
TOTAL
73 51 228 336114.7 63 27 46 14 166

things that stand out
Not sure where you got 13.9.. more 17.2
The other things that stand out is how many games Rice has missed.
How many longer passes.

One of the things we noticed while watching the games is how often they DON'T come back for the ball.. Wilson stands in the pocket, running around. they don't come back.. why?

Sorry about the disheveled stats.. they look fine in the editor.

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I was talking about their stats for last year 2012, not their career. Looking at it , I typo'd Mike's avg. It was 13.1 and not 13.9. Still my point remains, I wouldn't acquire Wallace at the expense of Rice.

So we throw low percentage deep passes to a guy that wants the ball all the time or complains doesn't block so our running game suffers and wants more money.

Sounds like a nice fit for Dallas or Philly if you ask me.

chris98251":3tbd5ar3 said:

So we throw low percentage deep passes to a guy that wants the ball all the time or complains doesn't block so our running game suffers and wants more money.

Sounds like a nice fit for Dallas or Philly if you ask me.

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Well said Chris. That's what I was getting at, but took too many words and still didn't get 1/10 across what you did in this brief and clear statement. You've nailed it.

I think the "team" mentality is far and above everything else. The front office was drooling over Wilson because he was the complete team player. All about the team at all times. They seek out that type of player. I just don't see Wallace fitting that mold. He was "the man" this year, and Pittsburgh stunk. I have no doubt he'd get numbers in Seattle, but at what cost? I think you've shown us the potential cost, and I'd rather not have an "all-star team" like Philly supposedly had the last 2 years. Our team is built to be a team, not just a roster full of names and "stars"

I think they have a similar attitude to a soccer team I follow closely - Real Salt Lake. They make a big deal out of this and have it in the locker room for all to see: "The Team is the Star". Sort of the same idea as "I'm in". I don't see Wallace as being an "in" kind of guy. Rice is totally in. Even with his injury history, I always see him tailing back on blocks and it does my heart well to see it. In fact I see it out of all 3 of our main wideouts.

Jville":8d6m7r4u said:

Wallace is not a fit for Seattle. He needs a pass first offense. Seems to me this is all an exercise in creating a problem in Seattle where there is none.

The writing has been on the wall since head coach Mike Tomlin demoted Wallace to "co-starter" with Emmanuel Sanders in November. The speedster went on to complain about his role in coordinator Todd Haley's spread-the-wealth offense while struggling with concentration and effort.

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000 ... ooks-bleak

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Love this post.

I have less than zero interest in replacing Rice with Wallace. You can talk about Rice's injury history, but he just put in a 16-game season for us. Who's to say that he won't stay healthy for the remainder of his contract, especially after he focused on putting on muscle this past offseason so he would be more durable (and it worked)?

There's no value in bringing in a guy who is going to slack if he doesn't get the ball regularly, or if his stats aren't where he thinks they should be. You don't put a diva receiver with a history of temper tantrums in a run-first offense and expect him to remain happy.

There are so many football players who can run fast and catch and are not named Mike Wallace.

Bobblehead":1zklx5ng said:

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This is a guy I'd be willing to take a flyer on.. Nick Toon,
He's on NO Saints right now and on the IR, but might not take much to get him

He's big, Doesn't have the greatest speed, but Wilson probably likes him.
what do you think?

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I doubt Saints trade him after putting him on IR (turf-toe) after only a few weeks. They were really high on him.
But if you're into Bucky reunions for Wilson in Seattle then I'd hold off until Jared Abbrederis is available in the 2014 draft.
IMO Abbrederis is faster, more clutch and just as tough as Toon. I like his' lunch-bucket' attitude as a former walk-on who is now all-Big Ten and can make big plays as a wide-out or punt returner. He's listed 6'2 180 probably goes in the 3rd round in 2014. Poor man's Jordy Nelson IMO.

volsunghawk":zjw8cg0s said:

You can talk about Rice's injury history, but he just put in a 16-game season for us. Who's to say that he won't stay healthy for the remainder of his contract, especially after he focused on putting on muscle this past offseason so he would be more durable (and it worked)?

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Rice also had surgery to correct the chronic problem he's had with his shoulders for several years.

I really don't see the proposed move having any upside whatsoever.

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Love me some Sid Rice, and I hate threads like this that want to get rid of such a valuable member of the team. I just don't get even thinking about it.

Who was that receiver that Wilson had such a great connection with at Wisconsin? I believe he was a senior this past season, but in every Russell highlight film it seemed like that guy was beating somebody deep for a TD. Maybe you go and get a guy like that and throw him into the mix. We already know he and Russ mesh well, and since I don't suppose he's an upcoming first rounder, then he could be had on the cheap AND upgrade our receiving corps and give Russ another target that he's already developed an amazing rapport with. I'm blanking on his name, and yes... I googled, but couldn't come up with it after a few minutes of searching. I just remember a highlight video somebody put up right after the draft and it seemed like that same guy was catching every ball, and that was only in one season together at Wisconsin.

Shark, do you mean Jared Abbrederis (aka Jordy Nelson lite)? He's not in the draft this year.
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Ahh, yes. That's the kid. No wonder I couldn't find him on google. I wasn't even close to spelling his name right. He's still got eligibility eh? I figured he was a junior when he was there with Russ just in the way he played. The kid flat out gets the ball. I was highly impressed with him. Maybe next year....

Rice is a HUGE asset to this team, he plays hard, makes plays, and wants to win bad. He brings so much to the table, it would be plain stupid to trade him .02