Russ Willstrong wrote:I'm wary of paying BIG money for a backup QB whose only job is to call a coin toss but some folks seem okay with that too.
Basis4day wrote:We paid Matt Flynn what the market dictated. We hadn't yet drafted Russell Wilson. Don't forget that. Wilson will only make around 500,000 next year so our total money invested in Quarterbacks will be about 6 millions dollars next year. That is NOT big money in the QB position, and that's assuming we even keep Flynn.
Russ Willstrong wrote:Basis4day wrote:We paid Matt Flynn what the market dictated. We hadn't yet drafted Russell Wilson. Don't forget that. Wilson will only make around 500,000 next year so our total money invested in Quarterbacks will be about 6 millions dollars next year. That is NOT big money in the QB position, and that's assuming we even keep Flynn.
LOL.. You mean we have nearly 6 MILLION tied up in our backup QB for next year. Those two QBs aren't Siamese twins and are NOT package deals. Sheesh. Gimme a gamechanger for $6-10 mil any day rather than a $6 mil player sitting on the pine. I hate to have you run my buzness fella.
Russ Willstrong wrote:And you say you'd rather be smart like the Pack and Patriots. News for you-->Patriots are probably front runners on the Harvin trade deal. For some reason many teams including the Pats think that Harvin is worth the big bucks. Good luck trying to pawn off Flynn's contract.
Vikings will not make Ponder compete for job
Vikings coach Leslie Frazier told ESPN's Chris Mortensen that Christian Ponder will not face competition for his starting job in 2013 camp.
Mortensen recently spoke to Frazier, who said Ponder is locked in for 2013. "Leslie Frazier said, 'Go look at his games in December,'" Mort relayed. "There were a couple of games in December where they saw the Christian Ponder they drafted. ... They really believe Ponder will continue to get better. He is the starter going into the season. They expect nothing to change that. No competition." The Vikings will try to upgrade on backup Joe Webb, but it now seems doubtful that they'd seriously pursue Matt Moore, who is free agency's top quarterback.
BirdsCommaAngry wrote:Harvin wants too much money.
hawker232 wrote:It would be great if we could afford him, but bottom line is we can't.
Russ Willstrong wrote:I'm wary of paying BIG money for a backup QB whose only job is to call a coin toss but some folks seem okay with that too.
Harvin's proven to get nearly 700 yards receiving in half-season while also rushing from scrimmage and having returning duties.
Harvin has proven to be a quality #1 receiver in Minny for the last several years even with incompetent QB play. He HAS EARNED IT.
If 1000 yards receiving happens then that's great given RW's propensity to spread the ball. We need scores and over-the-top talent if we wanna do this right.
themunn wrote:Russ Willstrong wrote:"Nearly" 700 yards in 9 games when he's the only receiver on the team better than awful is not particularly impressive - he made 62 catchs compared to Sidney Rice's 50 and ended up with less yards. Hardly an indication of a terrific "YAC guy"
NYCoug wrote:I've thought about this for a while before deciding to throw my opinion into the fray. At the end of the day, I just don't see it. Yes, Percy Harvin is one of the best receivers in the league and one of the most electrifying players in the league, period. There's no denying that. However, am I willing to sink a 2nd round pick and mass amounts of dollar dollar bills y'all at him? NO. Here's why... (half joking, but still pretty serious)
1) His "rap sheet" goes way beyond his time in Minnesota. Dating back to his days at Florida, he's the type of entitled star athlete that I absolutely can not stand. From trying to Sprewell/Carlesimo one of his coaches, to throwing a weight at Brad Childress. The man is a loose cannon. I'm not sure whether you can trust a guy like that on a Super Bowl caliber team? His whole career screams Andre Rison. I wonder what female celebrity will slash his tires and torch his house?
2) I don't like the message it sends to the rest of the team. You bring in this whiny little bitch and pay him a ton of money while other guys who have done more for the shirt are making peanuts. Not a fan of that.
3) It's much more fun to destroy the will of a man like Percy Harvin and watch him whine on the sidelines than to actually have him on your team. That act would get tired REAL QUICK.
4) I'm sure Pete Carroll would set him straight, but why mess with a good thing chemistry wise?
5) If John Schneider can find our franchise quarterback, lord and savior, in the 3rd round than why can't we just find our own Percy Harvin? The Packers drafted a reasonable facsimile in Randall Cobb and it only took them a 2nd rounder. I'm content with keeping the focus on the defense, shoring up the defensive line and LB spots that need shoring up, and especially the pass rush while also supplementing the offense with a shiny new toy somewhere along the way. I get that Harvin, in essence, would be costing us that same 2nd rounder that the Packers were able to snag Cobb with, but Cobb comes free of headaches (pun intended) and baggage. I'd much rather go that route.
Of course, as I told JonRud, if the Hawks did trade for Harvin and could sign him to a reasonable deal I'd be elated. Who am I kidding. He's a rare talent. However, if it were up to me (and aren't you all glad it's not), I'd stay away from Percy.
lukerguy wrote:NYCoug wrote:I've thought about this for a while before deciding to throw my opinion into the fray. At the end of the day, I just don't see it. Yes, Percy Harvin is one of the best receivers in the league and one of the most electrifying players in the league, period. There's no denying that. However, am I willing to sink a 2nd round pick and mass amounts of dollar dollar bills y'all at him? NO. Here's why... (half joking, but still pretty serious)
1) His "rap sheet" goes way beyond his time in Minnesota. Dating back to his days at Florida, he's the type of entitled star athlete that I absolutely can not stand. From trying to Sprewell/Carlesimo one of his coaches, to throwing a weight at Brad Childress. The man is a loose cannon. I'm not sure whether you can trust a guy like that on a Super Bowl caliber team? His whole career screams Andre Rison. I wonder what female celebrity will slash his tires and torch his house?
2) I don't like the message it sends to the rest of the team. You bring in this whiny little bitch and pay him a ton of money while other guys who have done more for the shirt are making peanuts. Not a fan of that.
3) It's much more fun to destroy the will of a man like Percy Harvin and watch him whine on the sidelines than to actually have him on your team. That act would get tired REAL QUICK.
4) I'm sure Pete Carroll would set him straight, but why mess with a good thing chemistry wise?
5) If John Schneider can find our franchise quarterback, lord and savior, in the 3rd round than why can't we just find our own Percy Harvin? The Packers drafted a reasonable facsimile in Randall Cobb and it only took them a 2nd rounder. I'm content with keeping the focus on the defense, shoring up the defensive line and LB spots that need shoring up, and especially the pass rush while also supplementing the offense with a shiny new toy somewhere along the way. I get that Harvin, in essence, would be costing us that same 2nd rounder that the Packers were able to snag Cobb with, but Cobb comes free of headaches (pun intended) and baggage. I'd much rather go that route.
Of course, as I told JonRud, if the Hawks did trade for Harvin and could sign him to a reasonable deal I'd be elated. Who am I kidding. He's a rare talent. However, if it were up to me (and aren't you all glad it's not), I'd stay away from Percy.
While I'm on the pro-Harvin side, I agree with some of your points and disagree with others.
1) It is what it is...and you're right. You don't want any character issues. One redeeming quality of Percy is that he is a 'fierce competitor'. I've heard from multiple sources that this is the root of most of his 'rap sheet'. He doesn't have a blatant disregard for authority.
2) Asking for money doesn't make you a "whiny little bitch". 80% of the stars in this league make a stance like this at one point in their career. Is Clem a "whiny little bitch"? He held out...Percy has never held out.
3) I'll skip this one because it's not exactly an argument.
4) I will never be concerned with Chemistry as long as PC is our head coach. He has an uncanny ability to bring people together for a common purpose of competing. Percy hasn't messed with any chemistry in Minnesota. Ask all of the players what they want, they want him to stay and they have been vocal about it.
5) You aren't going to find a person of Harvin's God-Given abilities in the 3rd round. I would venture to say that you could grab Austin in the 1st round and he may compare long term, but even Randall Cobb is not Percy Harvin. Harvin is one of a kind..he really is that gifted.
NYCoug wrote:lukerguy wrote:NYCoug wrote:I've thought about this for a while before deciding to throw my opinion into the fray. At the end of the day, I just don't see it. Yes, Percy Harvin is one of the best receivers in the league and one of the most electrifying players in the league, period. There's no denying that. However, am I willing to sink a 2nd round pick and mass amounts of dollar dollar bills y'all at him? NO. Here's why... (half joking, but still pretty serious)
1) His "rap sheet" goes way beyond his time in Minnesota. Dating back to his days at Florida, he's the type of entitled star athlete that I absolutely can not stand. From trying to Sprewell/Carlesimo one of his coaches, to throwing a weight at Brad Childress. The man is a loose cannon. I'm not sure whether you can trust a guy like that on a Super Bowl caliber team? His whole career screams Andre Rison. I wonder what female celebrity will slash his tires and torch his house?
2) I don't like the message it sends to the rest of the team. You bring in this whiny little bitch and pay him a ton of money while other guys who have done more for the shirt are making peanuts. Not a fan of that.
3) It's much more fun to destroy the will of a man like Percy Harvin and watch him whine on the sidelines than to actually have him on your team. That act would get tired REAL QUICK.
4) I'm sure Pete Carroll would set him straight, but why mess with a good thing chemistry wise?
5) If John Schneider can find our franchise quarterback, lord and savior, in the 3rd round than why can't we just find our own Percy Harvin? The Packers drafted a reasonable facsimile in Randall Cobb and it only took them a 2nd rounder. I'm content with keeping the focus on the defense, shoring up the defensive line and LB spots that need shoring up, and especially the pass rush while also supplementing the offense with a shiny new toy somewhere along the way. I get that Harvin, in essence, would be costing us that same 2nd rounder that the Packers were able to snag Cobb with, but Cobb comes free of headaches (pun intended) and baggage. I'd much rather go that route.
Of course, as I told JonRud, if the Hawks did trade for Harvin and could sign him to a reasonable deal I'd be elated. Who am I kidding. He's a rare talent. However, if it were up to me (and aren't you all glad it's not), I'd stay away from Percy.
While I'm on the pro-Harvin side, I agree with some of your points and disagree with others.
1) It is what it is...and you're right. You don't want any character issues. One redeeming quality of Percy is that he is a 'fierce competitor'. I've heard from multiple sources that this is the root of most of his 'rap sheet'. He doesn't have a blatant disregard for authority.
2) Asking for money doesn't make you a "whiny little bitch". 80% of the stars in this league make a stance like this at one point in their career. Is Clem a "whiny little bitch"? He held out...Percy has never held out.
3) I'll skip this one because it's not exactly an argument.
4) I will never be concerned with Chemistry as long as PC is our head coach. He has an uncanny ability to bring people together for a common purpose of competing. Percy hasn't messed with any chemistry in Minnesota. Ask all of the players what they want, they want him to stay and they have been vocal about it.
5) You aren't going to find a person of Harvin's God-Given abilities in the 3rd round. I would venture to say that you could grab Austin in the 1st round and he may compare long term, but even Randall Cobb is not Percy Harvin. Harvin is one of a kind..he really is that gifted.
I don't think he's a whiny little bitch for asking for money. I think he's a whiny little bitch for the tantrum he threw on the sidelines this year vs. the Hawks and for walking out on his team at the end of the season even though they were in the playoff hunt, and eventually made it in without him.
Also, normally you'd say that can't find someone of Russell Wilson's abilities in the 3rd round, but it happens. Richard Sherman in the 5th round? He's arguably the best player at his position and he was had in the 5th round. Harvin's not the best player at his position so I'm willing to venture that they could do the same work and find the next Harvin. It's possible to find amazing natural talent later in the draft, there are so many examples.
Let me throw an example at you. I work at a bar, obviously extremely different from being an NFL receiver. If I were to try and choke out my boss because I disagreed with them, I'd be fired and would have a hard time finding another job. I wouldn't get labeled a "fiery worker" like it's some sort of good thing. Sprewell didn't get labeled a fiery competitor. I don't get how people can try and explain that away. How is that NOT blatant disregard for authority? Normally, I'd say who really cares about "authority" but there's human decency and something like that lacks in human decency.
Sgt. Largent wrote:The problem with the pro "let's go after Harvin" camp on this forum is they can't assure us that signing Harvin won't impede on signing more important players in a year or two or more important D-Line free agents this off season.
So if signing Harvin means we won't be able to keep the Legion of Boom together in 2014 or 2015, then my answer is no. If Pete and John can make it work with dumping Flynn and Washington's salary and maybe trading Tate because he now becomes expendable with Harvin in the slot?...................AND we don't have to give up too many draft picks? Then yes, I'm down with this.
lukerguy wrote:Sgt. Largent wrote:The problem with the pro "let's go after Harvin" camp on this forum is they can't assure us that signing Harvin won't impede on signing more important players in a year or two or more important D-Line free agents this off season.
So if signing Harvin means we won't be able to keep the Legion of Boom together in 2014 or 2015, then my answer is no. If Pete and John can make it work with dumping Flynn and Washington's salary and maybe trading Tate because he now becomes expendable with Harvin in the slot?...................AND we don't have to give up too many draft picks? Then yes, I'm down with this.
Perhaps, but look at our top contracts...Rice and Miller. It may simply mean Harvin vs. Miller or Harvin vs. Rice rather than Harvin vs. Chancellor, Thomas, Sherm...ect
Hawknballs wrote:I don't think Harvin makes a lot of sense for us. So far Golden Tate has been durable, so while you can claim Harvin is a bigger playmaker, it's a wash to me because of injury and migraine headache issues.
I whole-heartedly believe we need to add another receiver to the mix. I think Harvin would be a great add for any team, but the kind of receiver we need is a durable, sure-handed guy that fights for the ball and catches it every time. We basically need Anquan Boldin.
There is one factor to consider though - some speculate SF as a landing spot for Harvin. I don't know about you, but Kaepernik-to-Harvin isn't a matchup I want to have to face if I can help it.
If Harvin isn't really the kind of receiver we need, is he at least good enough to go after to also keep him from going to SF?
Hawknballs wrote:I don't think Harvin makes a lot of sense for us. So far Golden Tate has been durable, so while you can claim Harvin is a bigger playmaker, it's a wash to me because of injury and migraine headache issues.
I whole-heartedly believe we need to add another receiver to the mix. I think Harvin would be a great add for any team, but the kind of receiver we need is a durable, sure-handed guy that fights for the ball and catches it every time. We basically need Anquan Boldin.
There is one factor to consider though - some speculate SF as a landing spot for Harvin. I don't know about you, but Kaepernik-to-Harvin isn't a matchup I want to have to face if I can help it.
If Harvin isn't really the kind of receiver we need, is he at least good enough to go after to also keep him from going to SF?
CPHawk wrote:I wonder if some of you will admit Tate cand hold a candle to Harvin when he's tearing up the NFL as a 9er.
NinerLifer wrote:We will have probably 14 picks in this years draft, with I believe 3 3rd rounders if I am not mistaken.
http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/02/0 ... aft-picks/
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/san-franci ... --nfl.html
Don't think too many teams would want to see Harvin in a Niner uniform next year.
Basis4day wrote:Bidding war and driving up the price though, absolutely.
Jake Hawks wrote:Drive up the price just so Harvin can go destroy the 49ers locker room.
SNDavidson wrote:themunn wrote:Russ Willstrong wrote:"Nearly" 700 yards in 9 games when he's the only receiver on the team better than awful is not particularly impressive - he made 62 catchs compared to Sidney Rice's 50 and ended up with less yards. Hardly an indication of a terrific "YAC guy"
^^^ wrong ^^^
Now if you want to say he's too expensive, that would be understandable.
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