Recon_Hawk wrote:I never understood all the hype with Ogletree. I've watched about 8 games of his so far and besides a few good plays, he fails to show enough instincts and technique for me to think he was worth even a first round grade let alone top-10 which I've seen. His stock was due for a big-time drop with or without another incident like this.
I haven't seen him nearly as much as you, but I think you may want to consider what he could do in our system. Coach Carroll is a defensive minded guy and I think he would use Ogletree in maybe a more dynamic way then he was used at Georgia. He looks like a natural pass rusher and I think Coach Carroll would use that and play him utilizing his strengths. If he falls to say around #18 of the 1st round, then we should trade up to get him.
One of the reasons I tend to disagree with people's top-10 grades or even 1st round grade is that it places so much value on the assumptions and projections on how he will play at the next level.
In certain areas of his game, he does not play well at the Mike. He struggles to diagnose plays as they are developing in front of him and is often a half-step slow causing him to get man handled by the O line, so it's assumed a position change to WLB can hide those flaws. I don't buy that. I'm a bit of an old school guy. To me, a linebacker is a linebacker, especially in a 4-3 defense. What a player does well or poor at one position, he will continue to show that at the other spots, with only slightly improved or worsened play.
Additional, it is required to project upside and potential versus solely what he's shown on the field. Honestly, I struggle with that part. How much value should potential have in the grading process over what is on tape? Koorey Toomer and Aaron Curry both had the physical upside of any other player in their respected draft. In Toomer's case, his tape was the deciding factor on where he was drafted, not his extreme upside. He was a 5th round pick. In Curry's case, his upside was the focus. They ignore the flaws and negatives and drafted on potential. He went 4th overall (ugh).
A trade up to grab a WLB with questionable instincts and other parts of his game would be a bad, bad decision, imo. That's not to say I wouldn't want Tree with maybe the 2nd round pick. I may sound like I hate the guy, but I don't. I see why people are high on him. He flashes greatness at times, but just not enough for me justify drafting him in the first.