Sarlacc83 wrote:That's awesome Riggo. Dropping 58 pounds is no small feat, and you should be proud of the accomplishment. Hell, I felt like a champ for dropping 10 lbs recently. (Over the past 2.5 years, my weight went from 205 to 229. Down to 219 and trying to get back to the 205 mark.)
RiggoReincarnated wrote:Someone told me its 70% diet and 30% working out...and I'm really starting to believe that. It will become even more important as I age and having high intensity workouts becomes more difficult to do and recover from as quickly.
AbsolutNET wrote:RiggoReincarnated wrote:Someone told me its 70% diet and 30% working out...and I'm really starting to believe that. It will become even more important as I age and having high intensity workouts becomes more difficult to do and recover from as quickly.
The way I look at it: You can weigh whatever you want based on diet alone, but working out with determine what you look like and how healthy you are.
And, if you are serious about strength training, I can't recommend Wendler's 5/3/1 program enough:
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_art ... e_strength
Follow the program (I've done Boring but Big for almost 6 months) and you will get stronger every week.
AbsolutNET wrote:RiggoReincarnated wrote:Someone told me its 70% diet and 30% working out...and I'm really starting to believe that. It will become even more important as I age and having high intensity workouts becomes more difficult to do and recover from as quickly.
The way I look at it: You can weigh whatever you want based on diet alone, but working out with determine what you look like and how healthy you are.
And, if you are serious about strength training, I can't recommend Wendler's 5/3/1 program enough:
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_art ... e_strength
Follow the program (I've done Boring but Big for almost 6 months) and you will get stronger every week.
RiggoReincarnated wrote:Nice thanks! I want to get down to a certain weight/body fat percentage, then really work at building some muscle properly thereafter.
I definitely want to challenge myself to accomplish a goal when I start really working at building strength though...something like a one arm pullup or being able to bench 1.5 times my bodyweight.
hawker84 wrote:P90X baby.. worked for me.. did it for 2 years, was in better shape than i was in highschool.. the plyometrics and strengthening/cardio excercises are hard but will git you in shape.. oh by the way.. P90X is pure hell in a box...getting ready to start it again, get in shape for summer.
one more thing.. drink a ton of water, you'll drop 10lbs doing that alone.. more you drink the less your body will store.. i drank close to a gallon a day, that's all i could stand, some drink more...
JesterHawk wrote:I was just referring to him as an extreme example. I know plenty of folks with a high metabolism who can get away with eating garbage and not look unhealthy.
Eat real food. If we stop supporting the industry that feeds us pigslop maybe it will go away.
Getting a bit off topic though. I've been doing a lot of research on nutrition and health in my own weight loss quest. I'm down from 255 to 220 making an eventual stop somewhere between 165 and 180.
Keep up the good fight Riggo.
Anguish wrote:hawker84 wrote:P90X baby.. worked for me.. did it for 2 years, was in better shape than i was in highschool.. the plyometrics and strengthening/cardio excercises are hard but will git you in shape.. oh by the way.. P90X is pure hell in a box...getting ready to start it again, get in shape for summer.
one more thing.. drink a ton of water, you'll drop 10lbs doing that alone.. more you drink the less your body will store.. i drank close to a gallon a day, that's all i could stand, some drink more...
I actually found it to be rather ...ahem... mild. Works up a good sweat to be sure though.
JesterHawk wrote:Well, when I'm talking about weight loss, I'm talking about reduction in the general fatness of my person. I understand that muscle is heavier than fat. I have changed my diet, and not temporarily, to achieve true healthy weight loss.
Anguish wrote:JesterHawk wrote:Well, when I'm talking about weight loss, I'm talking about reduction in the general fatness of my person. I understand that muscle is heavier than fat. I have changed my diet, and not temporarily, to achieve true healthy weight loss.
What I meant by can of worms term is that 'weight loss', to most people, equals what they see on a scale. 250lbs last week 240lbs this week. I have lost 10lbs. While technically true, it means close to nothing. Chances are, that person lost 8lbs of water from system shock and dehydration, .25lbs of actual fat, and 1.75lbs of muscle from malnutrition and the persons body going into starvation mode. Drag this out over a longer length of time, the dehydration lessens, but the others remain somewhat constant. Causing a longer term problem with the loss of actual lean body mass, which in turn lowers metabolic rate, etc, etc...
RiggoReincarnated wrote:Would you say that overtraining...for example burning 2000 cals a day through cardio while only eating 1200...can also cause this type of problem? I've been trying to burn 1000 cals a day in cardio, sometimes twice if I do cardio before and after work.
sadhappy wrote:I know there's some guys in this thread that really know their stuff, and I'm curious to get some opinions on this guy's plant based diet. Not looking to go vegan, oh hell no, but this guys seems to have some solid concepts and articulates them clearly and I'll take help from wherever I can get it.
http://thriveforward.com/
Here's an introductory video:
I came across this because I gave up sugar for 30 days a little over two weeks ago and I found it difficult to shake the cravings so I was googling around exploring different ideas.
Basically where I'm at is I lost 60 lbs from May to the beginning of December, and since I've only lost 5 lbs. I've got that last 20lbs of bodyfat I'm trying to get rid of and I'm definitely putting in the work in the gym. Clearly the problem is with my diet and it seems like I have issues with craving sweets, especially in the mid to late afternoon.
anyway, look forward to feedback and opinions.
Thanks
-s
sadhappy wrote:I know there's some guys in this thread that really know their stuff, and I'm curious to get some opinions on this guy's plant based diet. Not looking to go vegan, oh hell no, but this guys seems to have some solid concepts and articulates them clearly and I'll take help from wherever I can get it.
http://thriveforward.com/
Here's an introductory video:
I came across this because I gave up sugar for 30 days a little over two weeks ago and I found it difficult to shake the cravings so I was googling around exploring different ideas.
Basically where I'm at is I lost 60 lbs from May to the beginning of December, and since I've only lost 5 lbs. I've got that last 20lbs of bodyfat I'm trying to get rid of and I'm definitely putting in the work in the gym. Clearly the problem is with my diet and it seems like I have issues with craving sweets, especially in the mid to late afternoon.
anyway, look forward to feedback and opinions.
Thanks
-s
sadhappy wrote:I have a blendtec and make smoothies whenever it's practical. The whey shake is the post workout recovery drink, not dragging my blendtec to the gym! Lots and lots of research showing that whey protein taken within 20 minutes of a workout produces the best bang for the workout. the longer you wait to take in the recovery drink the less good it does you.
AbsolutNET wrote:sadhappy wrote:I have a blendtec and make smoothies whenever it's practical. The whey shake is the post workout recovery drink, not dragging my blendtec to the gym! Lots and lots of research showing that whey protein taken within 20 minutes of a workout produces the best bang for the workout. the longer you wait to take in the recovery drink the less good it does you.
Not as much as the supp companies lead you on. theres a lot of recent info about the "post exercise window" being debunked. If you're eating properly throughout the day, then you're fine. I stopped taking whey after a workout a long time ago and havent noticed any difference at all. I go home and have dinner, which is probably the most anti-catabolic thing you can do.
AbsolutNET wrote:Well, I think hairs are being split over "plant-based." Meaning it isn't meat based but that isn't the same as being vegan. This is right from the article:
"Training for his fights now, Fitch has adopted a new fighter diet along with a few other UFC guys. The new MMA diet has gone vegetarian. They haven’t done vegan, as fish, eggs, and whey protein are still part of their competition and training diet."
A lot of china study, vegan rhetoric is anti-protein. Obviously this isn't the case here. Start with whole foods, eat the right amount of protein, carbs and fats for your goals and don't be stupid with processed foods is pretty much how I go about it. I guess I've just gone through enough rounds with people who think protein is the devil that I'm a bit jaded by the subject.
And stop being scared to learn how to weight train and making excuses about it not being natural
Sarlacc83 wrote:I'm reading this thread, and all I can think is: I want some pizza.
Seriously, though, I really wish beer wasn't my main hobby, because I'm 100% sure I'd drop about 20 lbs if I just stopped drinking all together. So there's your warning, kids. Don't become a wine/beer/bourbon snob. It will get you in the end.
AbsolutNET wrote:Obviously promoting eating plants and whole foods is a fundamental to good health
I don't think giving up something is the answer - like the guy says in the video, if you completely restrict something or an entire group, you're probably going to struggle. Obviously sugar isn't something you want much of, but having a couple pieces of chocolate during the day or after dinner won't hurt.
Anguish wrote:"abs are made in the kitchen, not the gym". Those last 20lbs are the hardest to get rid of, but they will come off over time if you're diligent.
My household (everyone in it) regularly spend 4 to 5 days per week in the gym training toward some goal. Mostly something competitive because we believe that there is an extra drive that you get by training for a competitive purpose.
There's certainly a lot of things that are not food in our food nowadays.
Jesterhawk wrote:Absolut, totally get you on the 'moderation' line man. Moderation doesn't mean you can have a little bit every day it just means you can enjoy a treat once in awhile and if you're taking care of your body correctly, meaning your waste handling mechanisms aren't all jammed up from eating an American Diet, then your body can process that load just fine (pun intended).
TL;DR Go organic, don't eat dairy, limit meat intake, sugar is bad.
sadhappy wrote:Jesterhawk wrote:Absolut, totally get you on the 'moderation' line man. Moderation doesn't mean you can have a little bit every day it just means you can enjoy a treat once in awhile and if you're taking care of your body correctly, meaning your waste handling mechanisms aren't all jammed up from eating an American Diet, then your body can process that load just fine (pun intended).
TL;DR Go organic, don't eat dairy, limit meat intake, sugar is bad.
It really seems like you and absolut are 90% on the same page. I'm totally on board with eating whole foods, adding a LOT more plant based matter, and getting away from processed stuff as much as practical. it might not be Convenient, but I am on board with the idea that a properly nourished and exercised body will be healthy all on it's own, no need to 'diet' or feel like your going hungry. I think I've been shoveling all this junk in my mouth for so long my brain no longer knows how to interpret and differentiate various types of impulses; what they mean, beyond hungry and thirsty. I'm hopeful that with a clean diet my brain can learn how to interpret what it's being told and the impulses that pop into my head become more specific and accurate.
Sarlacc83 wrote:sadhappy wrote:Jesterhawk wrote:Absolut, totally get you on the 'moderation' line man. Moderation doesn't mean you can have a little bit every day it just means you can enjoy a treat once in awhile and if you're taking care of your body correctly, meaning your waste handling mechanisms aren't all jammed up from eating an American Diet, then your body can process that load just fine (pun intended).
TL;DR Go organic, don't eat dairy, limit meat intake, sugar is bad.
It really seems like you and absolut are 90% on the same page. I'm totally on board with eating whole foods, adding a LOT more plant based matter, and getting away from processed stuff as much as practical. it might not be Convenient, but I am on board with the idea that a properly nourished and exercised body will be healthy all on it's own, no need to 'diet' or feel like your going hungry. I think I've been shoveling all this junk in my mouth for so long my brain no longer knows how to interpret and differentiate various types of impulses; what they mean, beyond hungry and thirsty. I'm hopeful that with a clean diet my brain can learn how to interpret what it's being told and the impulses that pop into my head become more specific and accurate.
One of things I really enjoy about living in the Pacific Northwest is that it's very easy to eat seasonal vegetables which makes a world of difference where it concerns flavor. Also, there's so much organic food out here, and it's only a couple dollars more expensive than the 'mass produced' stuff (I know that organic food can be produced in large quantities) so with some good budgeting it's easier to get there. Growing up in Wisconsin, I was always under the impression life was out of a can or out of a casserole, and because of it, I wound up being a very picky eater. Now I'm able to enjoy most anything. (Except raw red onions and raw tomatoes).
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