Post subject: Re: N. Korea is actually trying to nuke the U.S.
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:04 am
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The Constitution of Japan hasnt changed.. the "interpretation" has.. They basically arent allowed offensive weaponary.. So, for example, before they had F-15s, they used the F-4 as their mainstay (and still use a limited number). The F-4 (for you non military orientated folks, the F-4 is the big 2 seat fighter you see in Vietnam war clips). The F-4 is a multirole fighter, used for bombing and air to air combat..but Japan's F-4s werent equipped with the bombing avionics, nor were they equipped with in-flight refueling equipment. By the time the 80s came around and Japan got F-15s.. the F-15s were fully equipped. Still, they arent allowed over seas deployments. It was a HUGE deal when a few hundred Japanese personnel deployed to Iraq, and they werent allowed to carry their weapons.
Japan now spends about 1% of its spending on the military..but because of its size, it has the 2nd or 3rd largest budget (Chinas spending is fairly opaque). BUT Japan doesnt get much bang for its buck.. it builds most of its own stuff, but in small numbers so unit price is high, and to attract quality people their salaries are high. Japans semi-copy of the F-16, the F-2, probably cost it double to build itself. Overall though, Japan along with Britain are probably the only countries that could fight along side with the US..they are fully equipped for fighting at night, their navy has AEGIS destroyers, etc.
As a side note, in a parallel to the 1940s Japan has "ghost" capability.. what I mean is they have potential to increase some of their power relatively quickly. For example, their newest "helicopter carriers" are obviously capable of acting as carriers for VSTOL aircraft like the Harrier or the F-35, as they have a "through deck" (though they lack a "ski jump").
If a naval battle broke out today, and Japan were on the defensive..it would thoroughly trash China. It has ultra quiet conventional subs, the aforementioned AEGIS destroyers, etc. In an air war it would come down to training and no one has insight there. Japans "army" is very well equipped but very small. Anyone invading Japan would suffer, but Japan has no power projection and (in keeping with its current constitution) could not hope to invade anyone.
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Post subject: Re: N. Korea is actually trying to nuke the U.S.
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:00 pm
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Why do they continue to directly threaten the US, Isn't S.Korea and Japan their enemies also. Considering their nukes can barely reach Hawaii and not US Land, They dont have to get a rocket that goes halfway accross the earth when Japan and S. Korea are right there.
Best part about this though is that China told N.Korea to cut their shit so at the end of the day the US won today's battle.
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Post subject: Re: N. Korea is actually trying to nuke the U.S.
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:02 am
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They cant threaten to nuke S. Korea..its one country, one people..divided by 2 states. There's not a lot of point in threatening Japan, and Japan isnt the leader. The US is.
Not sure youre right about the US winning because of what China said. China has limited leverage, and while they expressed displeasure they also showed they wont do anything about the nuke test..no tangible reactions like sanctions, aid cut, etc.
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Post subject: Re: N. Korea is actually trying to nuke the U.S.
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:02 am
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I wish we would just go ahead and take that country [moreso their leaders] out.
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Post subject: Re: N. Korea is actually trying to nuke the U.S.
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:55 am
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China greatly values N. Korea as a buffer..they dont want to share a border with a firm US ally, which would happen if N. Korea collapsed and joined S. Korea under S. Koreas leadership.
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Post subject: Re: N. Korea is actually trying to nuke the U.S.
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:51 pm
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they also released this propaganda video of the united states (and Obama) burning to the ground!!!!
at 00:52 you can see obama being burned in the most God awful video edition you will ever see. P.S. if you've played elder scrolls (Video game) mute the video.
Post subject: Re: N. Korea is actually trying to nuke the U.S.
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:51 pm
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Just skimmed so maybe I missed it but I don't see them threatening to use nukes on South Korea in that article.
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:21 pm
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2013 Inauguration ball...
Edit just to add. What's KimJung Tinyfingers know that Alicia Keys doesn't already?
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Post subject: Re: N. Korea is actually trying to nuke the U.S.
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:13 am
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Vetamur wrote:
Just skimmed so maybe I missed it but I don't see them threatening to use nukes on South Korea in that article.
Post subject: Re: N. Korea is actually trying to nuke the U.S.
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:17 am
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I see. I wouldnt take that as a threat to use nukes, but rather to be defeated. Obviously it can be read either way. Officially however, the stance of the North is that the S. Korean govt is basically a puppet of the US and that the people of Korea should be unified. That guy is a bit off the reservation in his rhetoric. Unless they are signalling a change, but I doubt that they can. In any case, its all just sabre rattling..the new president has absolutely no cred so he has to be a tough guy right now, having put his rivals out to pasture.
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Post subject: Re: N. Korea is actually trying to nuke the U.S.
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:49 pm
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400WattHPSHawk wrote:
2013 Inauguration ball...
Edit just to add. What's KimJung Tinyfingers know that Alicia Keys doesn't already?
That was..... disturbing
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Post subject: Re: N. Korea is actually trying to nuke the U.S.
Its okay. Dennis Rodman is going over to straighten out the situation.
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Post subject: Re: N. Korea is actually trying to nuke the U.S.
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:19 pm
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JSeahawks wrote:
Its okay. Dennis Rodman is going over to straighten out the situation.
Not sure if anyone can help the N. Koreans after watching the Vice/Nat Geo documentaries on them. These people are brainwashed, as soon as they seen Dennis holding a basketball, Kim will create propaganda video and tell his entire people he invented basketball, then the american imperialist stole his idea.
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Post subject: Re: N. Korea is actually trying to nuke the U.S.
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:52 am
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We should take out their nuclear facilities while we still have the chance.
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Post subject: Re: N. Korea is actually trying to nuke the U.S.
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:25 pm
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RiggoReincarnated wrote:
We should take out their nuclear facilities while we still have the chance.
China and Russia wont let that happen.
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Post subject: Re: N. Korea is actually trying to nuke the U.S.
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:46 pm
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RiggoReincarnated wrote:
We should take out their nuclear facilities while we still have the chance.
We should kill all humans before they have a chance to harm another.
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Post subject: Re: N. Korea is actually trying to nuke the U.S.
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:24 pm
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SonicHawk wrote:
RiggoReincarnated wrote:
We should take out their nuclear facilities while we still have the chance.
We should kill all humans before they have a chance to harm another.
Because taking out a nuclear facility is the same thing as eradication of a species And there are ways of taking them out without loss of life, does STUXNET ring a bell?
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Post subject: Re: N. Korea is actually trying to nuke the U.S.
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:08 am
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Stuxnet slowed down a program, it didn't eliminate it. North Korea is way past that stage. They already have nukes. In any case, while Russia is no longer an ally of North Korea China has their back.. If for no other reason than they don't want a US aligned united Korea on their border. There's very little that can be done if a country really wants nukes and is willing to sacrifice to get them.
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Post subject: Re: N. Korea is actually trying to nuke the U.S.
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:22 am
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Vetamur wrote:
Stuxnet slowed down a program, it didn't eliminate it. North Korea is way past that stage. They already have nukes. In any case, while Russia is no longer an ally of North Korea China has their back.. If for no other reason than they don't want a US aligned united Korea on their border. There's very little that can be done if a country really wants nukes and is willing to sacrifice to get them.
why dont they want a US ally on their border? Isn't China and US allies? Why does China still has US?
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Post subject: Re: N. Korea is actually trying to nuke the U.S.
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:36 am
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Axx wrote:
Vetamur wrote:
Stuxnet slowed down a program, it didn't eliminate it. North Korea is way past that stage. They already have nukes. In any case, while Russia is no longer an ally of North Korea China has their back.. If for no other reason than they don't want a US aligned united Korea on their border. There's very little that can be done if a country really wants nukes and is willing to sacrifice to get them.
why dont they want a US ally on their border? Isn't China and US allies? Why does China still has US?
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