A good read, good information and reasonable ranking. Looks like they do their own research instead of practicing regurgitation.
http://www.athlonsports.com/nfl/nfl-draft-rankings-2013-wide-receivers
Domseahawks wrote:Am i the only person who believes that Patterson is overated.. the tape i have watched makes me like tavon austin more and more, he's way more explosive, i'd say better hands, more nfl ready and also predicted to go a little later.
McGruff wrote:Domseahawks wrote:Am i the only person who believes that Patterson is overated.. the tape i have watched makes me like tavon austin more and more, he's way more explosive, i'd say better hands, more nfl ready and also predicted to go a little later.
I don't know that I'd say "way more explosive" Patterson is pretty darn shifty for a guy his size. There's a reason they played him out of the backfield.
No question Patterson is raw, but he's got all the tools to be an All-pro . . . Size, speed, moves, developing skills.
Patterson reminds me a bit of Koren Robinson but with better hands .. . And say what you will about Robinson's head, his skills were off the charts.
McGruff wrote:Screw safe picks. Safe picks make average teams.
TeamoftheCentury wrote:McGruff wrote:Screw safe picks. Safe picks make average teams.
I don't mean "safe" as in mediocre. I mean "safe" in terms of elite guys that are least likely to end up "busts" like Charles Rogers, etc.
Wow... you jumped in to comment aggressively without even asking for clarification. I think all 4 that I listed will be electric. Tavon Austin a cut above the rest.
McGruff wrote:I know what safe picks are . . . Tim Ruskell took and Superbowl team and made it into a cellar swelled on the back of safe picks.
With the possible exception of Woods, The guys you listed are all career #3 receivers at best. Even Woods strikes me as a really good complimentary piece. None of those guys has the upside of Patterson, Hunter, Rogers or even Hopkins and Allen. Sure, they are less likely to flame out, and that makes them safe. But low risk picks are often low reward also.
TeamoftheCentury wrote:McGruff wrote:I know what safe picks are . . . Tim Ruskell took and Superbowl team and made it into a cellar swelled on the back of safe picks.
With the possible exception of Woods, The guys you listed are all career #3 receivers at best. Even Woods strikes me as a really good complimentary piece. None of those guys has the upside of Patterson, Hunter, Rogers or even Hopkins and Allen. Sure, they are less likely to flame out, and that makes them safe. But low risk picks are often low reward also.
Incorrect.
McGruff wrote:TeamoftheCentury wrote:McGruff wrote:I know what safe picks are . . . Tim Ruskell took and Superbowl team and made it into a cellar swelled on the back of safe picks.
With the possible exception of Woods, The guys you listed are all career #3 receivers at best. Even Woods strikes me as a really good complimentary piece. None of those guys has the upside of Patterson, Hunter, Rogers or even Hopkins and Allen. Sure, they are less likely to flame out, and that makes them safe. But low risk picks are often low reward also.
Incorrect.
Impossible to prove or disprove incorrectness until after the fact. But thank you for your one words rebuttal.
If the players you listed were truly "low risk-high reward" they would be considered top 10 picks. They aren't. Why? Because they don't project as high quality NFL players. They either lack considerable upside (Wheaten, Swopes, Woods) or proven measurables (Austin) to warrant high selections.
McGruff wrote:Fair enough. I apologize for going on the attack. As a Seahawk fan I feel very passionate and loathe what Ruskell did to the team by taking the safe route and filling the team with small, slow "instinctual" "lunch pail" players who didn't have the necessary raw skills to keep up physically with the rest of the league. So whenever I see people advocating for "safe" picks I get a little antsy. It has nothing to do with you and even the players advocated . . . Just wounded, I guess
TeamoftheCentury wrote:so, like all of our "opinions", those first 2 lists are your opinion, correct? (not from an official statement?), of what those guys would do? (based on what?) Sorry, I fail to see why that is insightful unless we're in the same room with those execs listing specific players. But, I'll bite. Enlighten me. I'm open to trying to understand the line of thinking there. At this point, I only see it as equal subjectivity not insightfulness.
McGruff wrote:TeamoftheCentury wrote:so, like all of our "opinions", those first 2 lists are your opinion, correct? (not from an official statement?), of what those guys would do? (based on what?) Sorry, I fail to see why that is insightful unless we're in the same room with those execs listing specific players. But, I'll bite. Enlighten me. I'm open to trying to understand the line of thinking there. At this point, I only see it as equal subjectivity not insightfulness.
All is opinion at this point. That's what we're here for, at least in part, is to debate and discuss our opinions on players.
When's list point out the difference between drafting for floor versus drafting for ceiling. The first list are guys that are probably going to be no worse than solid #3 receivers. Guys that will have 5-7 year careers in the NFL. But they are probably no better than number 2's at their top end. sure there will be exceptions. Reggie Wayne was an exception. But there is little question as to what they will give you . . . Solid, above average play as complimentary players
the second list is guys that have bonafied all star potential . . . But also could bust out for various reasons. Patterson is raw . . . Will he develop? Hunter has a recent injury . . . Well he be the guy he was before the injury? Rogers is a head case . . . Can he mature? Austin is a midget . . . Can his other skills mitigate his lack of size? Legitimate questions that cause players to fall and fail . . . But if the answers are yes to the questions asked, the sky is the limit.
TeamoftheCentury wrote:It would be interesting to start some fun little exercise among us here on .net to list something like 20 players we think the Seahawks might draft and see who comes up with the most selected from our individual "boards". 20-25 players at ANY position with no round designation. I could see something like that being fun on the level of FFB, to a lesser degree. We speculate on players. Why not give it a go and see who among us comes out on top. We could have some draft genius title to be given as a reward for the winner. (This could obviously backfire. I would say that one must be a professing Seahawks fan to participate. No visiting Niner fans, etc.)
McGruff wrote:Screw safe picks. Safe picks make average teams.
Hasselbeck wrote:Matt Flynn should be our starter. Wilson is nothing more than a backup and will never amount to anything in this league.
McGruff wrote:Screw safe picks. Safe picks make average teams.
Rat wrote:McGruff wrote:Screw safe picks. Safe picks make average teams.
Wasn't that the team motto of the 2000s Oakland Raiders?
Obviously that's a hyperbole, just as your statement was an oversimplification...
Hasselbeck wrote:Matt Flynn should be our starter. Wilson is nothing more than a backup and will never amount to anything in this league.
ImTheScientist wrote:This guy is the closest thing to beast mode we will ever see. You got a glimpse of that yesterday. He was instantly my favorite player when they signed him. Give the dude a chance and don't overreact or overthink preseason. Go Hawks. Lacy will rush for 1,100 and 10TDs. Bend the knee.
McGruff wrote:Screw safe picks. Safe picks make average teams.
T-Sizzle wrote:For me:
#1 DaRick Rodgers
#2 Mark Harrison (even though he flings poo)
#3 Quinton Patton
#4 Justin Hunter
#5 Chris Harper
Hasselbeck wrote:Matt Flynn should be our starter. Wilson is nothing more than a backup and will never amount to anything in this league.
T-Sizzle wrote:T-Sizzle wrote:For me:
#1 DaRick Rodgers
#2 Mark Harrison (even though he flings poo)
#3 Quinton Patton
#4 Justin Hunter
#5 Chris Harper
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