plyka wrote: HansGruber wrote:
justafan wrote:They beat better CBs than Sherman.
Name one. The only CB as good as Sherman he ever faced was Deion Sanders and having watched them both, I think Sherman is better.
You crazy mofo! I thought another poster took homerism to its heights comparing Tate to Tim Brown...but this takes the cake...Deon is the BEST CB I've ever seen. He completely shut down any WR he faced with few exceptions, to the point that the QB would not even TEST him. Deon may have been the best EVER at his position of any other player in the history of the game. You're smokin the homerism to even speak of Sherman in the same breath. And I believe Sherman is top 3 CBs in the league right now.
When did I ever say Deion was a bad CB? I think he was one of the best to ever play. I think he was the best to ever play until recently. But I've seen CBs in recent history who are simply better CBs - and Sherman is one of them. So are Patrick Peterson and Darrelle Revis. Sanders never had the ability to go over the top of a 6'4" receiver with the vertical leap of Calvin Johnson and bat the ball away like I have personally witnessed Sherman do.
Any old geezer Seahawk fan from back in the Knox days remembers how Rice played when he had to face our physical secondary. Nothing!! The Seahawks picked off Montana 3 times that game in 1985, Rice's rookie year, I'll never forget it because we still lost, all because of that darn Dwight Clark (who is WAY underrated). John Harris, Dave Brown and Kenny Easley totally shut down Rice, and Montana just kept throwing to Dwight Clark who was better against physical DBs. It's worth noting that Steve Largent had a better game than both of them.
When he came back in 1988 to Seattle, he torched us because we no longer had that big secondary. Kenny Easley, John Harris and Dave Brown were all gone. When Montana threw to Rice, Rice didn't have to battle the big boys. He generally lost those jump battles, so that was good for his stats. And he sure didn't like getting hit. To this day, I remember sitting in Candlestick Park in '85, my dad laughing because Rice was down on the field crying to the refs after Kenny Easley completely de-cleated his ass on a play he wasn't thrown at. The next play, John Harris cleaned his clock, and he was all upset, crying on the sidelines.
I'd LOVE to meet Rice in person so I can ask him about that. If he's so unafraid of Sherman, does he really think our Legion of Boom wouldn't bring the same type of pain that the 1985 Seahawks brought him? Because he was totally out of his element. He was crying like a bitch all day. Rice never liked the physical DBs.
When it came down to it, Rice was successful against Sanders because of his amazing conditioning - the guy was just fast the way he played, not a vertical down the field kind of fast, but really fast in his routes, able to get separation, and the first receiver I remember who could get 3 paces of separation just by juking a defender on his break. Not a ton of vertical leap, but ran amazingly crisp routes, had incredible hands, and could go get the ball against guys who weren't super tall or had great vertical. Sanders lost those battles because he relied on his conditioning and athleticism as well, but he wasn't physical, and Jerry was just a step above everyone when it came to pure conditioning.
You can sit here and wax poetic about sentimental nostalgia all day long. It doesn't change the facts for those of us who actually attended the games and watched Jerry Rice in person, in his prime. The fact that you earlier made some insipid statement about Rice being responsible for 4 SuperBowls speaks for itself. Jerry Rice wasn't even around for 4 SuperBowls. He only played in 3 for San Francisco. Those of us who were actually watching football back then remember clearly that it was Roger Craig and Dwight Clark responsible for those first two (along with Montana, Lott, etc). So excuse me if I find your hyperbole completely unimpressive, but you should at least know your history before you start talking smack to the fogies who actually attended games at Candlestick back in the 1980's.
Like I said, the reason I think Sherman and the Legion of Boom would shut him down is because he didn't win the physical matchups, no matter what he wants to believe. He was a skinny dude, super fast but real skinny. Our DBs would knock the crap out of him.
And I will never forget that look on his face on the play that Kenny Easley knocked him into another dimension in front of all those SF fans. That was so hilarious. I will never forget him crying to the refs and Kenny Easley making fun of him. So keep talking smack Rice, because you are talking to a bunch of kids who don't know the difference. Us old fogies remember how soft you were. This Legion of Boom would BREAK YOU.