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Serious question. I know people have raved about Earl's range, but I'm wondering how that translates to speed. Earl is also mentioned as one of the fastest guys on the team, but...

I'm wondering if he is somehow faster when running at someone toward him than when he's chasing someone. When Gore broke that run, both Earl and Sherman pursued him, and it looked to my eyes like Earl couldn't gain any ground on Gore while Sherm overtook him eventually. Last year, when Adrian Peterson broke his long run, it was Browner that chased him down, not Earl.

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You missed Earl running after Ginn on that return a few years ago, and Earl hanging right there with him. Ginn is ridiculously fast.


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1. Earl
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I'd bet Lane is actually the fastest. And don't show me his 40 time as proof he's not.


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It has to be Earl Thomas. Whwn he gets a turnover and starts running, regardless of where he is, he is looking to score. The range... not just side to side. He will come up in run support to stop a run at the LOS. He misses sometimes because of it, but once Earl has his hands around their legs they are going down.

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You missed Earl running after Ginn on that return a few years ago, and Earl hanging right there with him. Ginn is ridiculously fast.


How about the return in Buffalo after rolling on the ground? In preseason with 2 to the house. Nobody can catch Earl. Too bad he isnt a kick returner.

Oh.. and Browner is too, but he has to get those long legs going. For the long run he has closing speed.

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It's probably between Lane and Thomas


If I were to guess I would say Lane over Thomas by a tiny bit, but it's probably so close it hardly matters.

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Lawyer Milloy mentioned Earl as being the fastest player he's even been on the field with.


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It has to be Earl Thomas. Whwn he gets a turnover and starts running, regardless of where he is, he is looking to score. The range... not just side to side. He will come up in run support to stop a run at the LOS. He misses sometimes because of it, but once Earl has his hands around their legs they are going down.


I wonder if Thomas just understands angles better than anybody else. When I saw gores run I was super surprised...


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Serious question. I know people have raved about Earl's range, but I'm wondering how that translates to speed. Earl is also mentioned as one of the fastest guys on the team, but...

I'm wondering if he is somehow faster when running at someone toward him than when he's chasing someone. When Gore broke that run, both Earl and Sherman pursued him, and it looked to my eyes like Earl couldn't gain any ground on Gore while Sherm overtook him eventually. Last year, when Adrian Peterson broke his long run, it was Browner that chased him down, not Earl.

Am I missing something?


Well first you've got to understand the problem of angles on that run. Earl was running forward then slightly to the side and then reversed course. Sherman was already running that way. And then Gore was also shading towards the sideline, which Sherm was already on that side and Earl was trying to get around Sherm while not tripping him up.

Earl is definitely faster. However, it looks like not by as much as I thought. IMO, Sherm has actually improved his speed since coming here.

Also, I agree with the others. Lane is uber explosive and might actually beat Earl by a hair. I'd probably have to go with a tie though. Lane only ran in the 4.4s, but he really, really flashes. His vert is what....40 some inches? Uber explosive at long speed, fast twitch, agility, all of the above. Extremely good athlete.


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Thomas. Both the fastest and quickest guy on D (and of the quickest in the league imo).

But, wasn't Thurmond a track guy at one point?

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Not saying he's the fastest, but I think Sherman's speed is very underrated. He also has a great vertical (see: INT from the 49ers game in week 2). He gets a lot of credit for being a smart player, but he's also one of the best athletes on the team.


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Jeremy Lane. He's had some plays where it's almost cartoonish how fast he is. I believe Carroll has mentioned how he's the fastest guy on the team, as well.


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thomas is def the quickest.

Sherm may over take him after the 40 yards though.


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Serious question. I know people have raved about Earl's range, but I'm wondering how that translates to speed. Earl is also mentioned as one of the fastest guys on the team, but...

I'm wondering if he is somehow faster when running at someone toward him than when he's chasing someone. When Gore broke that run, both Earl and Sherman pursued him, and it looked to my eyes like Earl couldn't gain any ground on Gore while Sherm overtook him eventually. Last year, when Adrian Peterson broke his long run, it was Browner that chased him down, not Earl.

Am I missing something?


No offense, that play is a poor example.

Thomas was running with steam at Gore before Gore made that ridiculous and gorgeous cut pretty much forcing Thomas to make a sharp turn and locking up his hips for a moment, stalling much of his momentum.

Sherman on the other hand was already facing the way Gore was running as a product of a big hold on Vernon Davis. Sherman didn't have to make an ankle breaking cut upfield to recover so he was able to run full stride before Thomas could. Which is why they started out about the same but Sherman was able to gain more ground. Sherman has a much bigger stride than Thomas, and that was the difference. That and Thomas losing his momentum on Gores's cut.

If I had to guess.

1. Thomas 4.3
2. Lane 4.3
3. Maxwell 4.4
4. Margagos 4.4
5. Thurmond 4.4
6. Shead (220 pounds and runs 4.5)
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8. Tharold Simon 4.5
9. Jeron Johnson 4.5
10. Browner 4.6
11. Kam Chanchellor 4.6

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Jeremy Lane. He's had some plays where it's almost cartoonish how fast he is. I believe Carroll has mentioned how he's the fastest guy on the team, as well.
I agree that its probably Lane I have heard more than once he is the fastest guy on the team. Im sure Carroll said it and the other was from a player, might have heard it on the radio.

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Brandon Browner still doesn't get enough mention, the guy is fast when he INT's a ball, Kam tripped him once on an INT because Browner caught him so fast.

Earl and Sherman are both fast.

I just re-watched Super Bowl XL, all our DB's are faster than the players we had then. Watching Willie Parker run 80 yards for a TD would never happen against this team.

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Brandon Browner still doesn't get enough mention, the guy is fast when he INT's a ball, Kam tripped him once on an INT because Browner caught him so fast.

Earl and Sherman are both fast.

I just re-watched Super Bowl XL, all our DB's are faster than the players we had then. Watching Willie Parker run 80 yards for a TD would never happen against this team.
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Serious question. I know people have raved about Earl's range, but I'm wondering how that translates to speed. Earl is also mentioned as one of the fastest guys on the team, but...

I'm wondering if he is somehow faster when running at someone toward him than when he's chasing someone. When Gore broke that run, both Earl and Sherman pursued him, and it looked to my eyes like Earl couldn't gain any ground on Gore while Sherm overtook him eventually. Last year, when Adrian Peterson broke his long run, it was Browner that chased him down, not Earl.

Am I missing something?

No offense, that play is a poor example.

Thomas was running with steam at Gore before Gore made that ridiculous and gorgeous cut pretty much forcing Thomas to make a sharp turn and locking up his hips for a moment, stalling much of his momentum.

Sherman on the other hand was already facing the way Gore was running as a product of a big hold on Vernon Davis. Sherman didn't have to make an ankle breaking cut upfield to recover so he was able to run full stride before Thomas could. Which is why they started out about the same but Sherman was able to gain more ground. Sherman has a much bigger stride than Thomas, and that was the difference. That and Thomas losing his momentum on Gores's cut.

Not offended at all. But it wasn't the only play I mentioned. I'm not saying ET isn't fast, it's just that occasionally (rarely) I notice him being a tad slow compared to someone else, given my expectation of him being (one of the) fastest guy(s) on the team.

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Serious question. I know people have raved about Earl's range, but I'm wondering how that translates to speed. Earl is also mentioned as one of the fastest guys on the team, but...

I'm wondering if he is somehow faster when running at someone toward him than when he's chasing someone. When Gore broke that run, both Earl and Sherman pursued him, and it looked to my eyes like Earl couldn't gain any ground on Gore while Sherm overtook him eventually. Last year, when Adrian Peterson broke his long run, it was Browner that chased him down, not Earl.

Am I missing something?

No offense, that play is a poor example.

Thomas was running with steam at Gore before Gore made that ridiculous and gorgeous cut pretty much forcing Thomas to make a sharp turn and locking up his hips for a moment, stalling much of his momentum.

Sherman on the other hand was already facing the way Gore was running as a product of a big hold on Vernon Davis. Sherman didn't have to make an ankle breaking cut upfield to recover so he was able to run full stride before Thomas could. Which is why they started out about the same but Sherman was able to gain more ground. Sherman has a much bigger stride than Thomas, and that was the difference. That and Thomas losing his momentum on Gores's cut.

Not offended at all. But it wasn't the only play I mentioned. I'm not saying ET isn't fast, it's just that occasionally (rarely) I notice him being a tad slow compared to someone else, given my expectation of him being (one of the) fastest guy(s) on the team.


We play the most single high safety of all the teams in the league. That should tell you how fast and how much ridiculous range he has


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Part of what makes Sherman great in recovery is his long legs which give him a big stride. He isn't faster than most WRs over sustained time but he has a quick gallop that can cover a lot of space.

Thomas is much faster but his stride is also smaller which takes him longer to get up to full speed. But it also helps as well as his shorter legs makes him more adept to make fluid cuts and take better angles. Its why is range is amazing but he isn't superman... he can't flip his body with his momentum going foward and burst into full stride just like that. However, if it was anyone else in Thomas's shoes on that Gore run they most likely take a tumble on Gore's cut back. Thomas actually made a nice move to get back into it. A bigger player would have likely been taken out of the play, altogether.

In comparison, its why Sherm and typically the LoB has trouble against small burners at WR. Their overall length plus great coaching will always allow them to compete but they aren't able to consistently match the cuts in their footwork when a smaller WR accelerates and decellerates on a dime then hits the NOS button.

Same thing Browner, he's not typically fast but his long legs can cover a lot of ground, so for instance in 2012 vs the Vikings when Adrian Peterson dialed it down thinking he was in for the score, Browner was able to catch up and make the tackle. He definately looked insanely fast but it was optical illusion of Peterson slowing up and Browner pushing his max speed in full stride.

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Also, any team would be smart to hire Titus Young, just for a week during any Play-Off match-up against the Seahawks.

Not sure if he's eligible though... I think got the 1 year ban.

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Part of what makes Sherman great in recovery is his long legs which give him a big stride. He isn't faster than most WRs over sustained time but he has a quick gallop that can cover a lot of space.

Thomas is much faster but his stride is also smaller which takes him longer to get up to full speed.


I feel like you have that backwards. It seems like players with shorter strides are able to accelerate more quickly. It's one of the reasons why RW can be so hard to bring down in the backfield but someone like Kaepernick is so dangerous once he gets up to full speed in the open field. Or look at Usain Bolt. Not a great initial drive/acceleration phase but blows everyone away at around 60m once he gets up to full speed.


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Agree on short having burst and top end speed quicker, Sherm takes a bit to get going but once he gets there can sustain it longer since he uses less energy to stride then Earl with two one stride may equalling two to three of Earls. But Earl can cut on dime without losing speed where Sherman may have to collect himself and shorten it up and restart.

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Actually Bruce Irvin is probably about #3 behind Earl and Lane in the speed department.
Faster & quicker than Kam & Browner. Right there with Sherman and WTIII. I don't know Maxwell's speed, so can't say.
Our linebackers as a group are ridiculously fast, (except KJ) and Irvin is an athletic freak.


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Definitely Jeremy Lane. In the blocked field goal last year that Sherman ran back, towards the end zone Jeremy Lane comes out of nowhere. I'm sure he can run in the 4.3 range.

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Jeremy Lane. He's had some plays where it's almost cartoonish how fast he is. I believe Carroll has mentioned how he's the fastest guy on the team, as well.


I was going to say Lane or Thomas. I know it isn't Sherman, Chancellor, or Browner.


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Earl is fast, but it's in that 20-30 yard range that he's light speed. I think in terms of topping out (over say 100m), he's maybe slower than both Browner and Sherman, but very rarely does someone need to run that distance at top speed in football - that 51 yard run is the only run longer than 40 yards against us this year, for example


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Jeremy Lane. He's had some plays where it's almost cartoonish how fast he is. I believe Carroll has mentioned how he's the fastest guy on the team, as well.
I agree that its probably Lane I have heard more than once he is the fastest guy on the team. Im sure Carroll said it and the other was from a player, might have heard it on the radio.


I also think Lane is the fastest DB on the team.
Here is an article from last year that talks about Lane and his speed.
http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/article-1/Jeremy-Lane-steps-in-and-plays-well/d3b498b4-9023-45d9-9de2-5a9bc43b69de/


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Sure looked like Sherman is faster the thomas to me, it takes about 5 strides to get up to full speed, Thomas had plenty of time to kick in the turbo's and catch gore, Sherman clearly was in another gear at the end.. I'd say Earls the quickest, but Sherman may have better top end speed. I think it's between Lane and Thurmond though .

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Browner caught AP from behind on what was sure to be a touchdown, that's a pretty tough task.

Still, Earl and Lane show AMAZING in game speed. Their combine numbers don't reflect just how fast these two are on Sundays/Mondays/Thursdays.

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Brandon Browner still doesn't get enough mention, the guy is fast when he INT's a ball, Kam tripped him once on an INT because Browner caught him so fast.

Earl and Sherman are both fast.

I just re-watched Super Bowl XL, all our DB's are faster than the players we had then. Watching Willie Parker run 80 yards for a TD would never happen against this team.


Oh god...who was that awful 3rd string DB who was in there on that play which allowed Parker to score? I hate that guy.

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Brandon Browner still doesn't get enough mention, the guy is fast when he INT's a ball, Kam tripped him once on an INT because Browner caught him so fast.

Earl and Sherman are both fast.

I just re-watched Super Bowl XL, all our DB's are faster than the players we had then. Watching Willie Parker run 80 yards for a TD would never happen against this team.


Oh god...who was that awful 3rd string DB who was in there on that play which allowed Parker to score? I hate that guy.


Etric Pruitt. :pukeface:

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Browner caught AP from behind on what was sure to be a touchdown, that's a pretty tough task.

Still, Earl and Lane show AMAZING in game speed. Their combine numbers don't reflect just how fast these two are on Sundays/Mondays/Thursdays.


Yea, Browner has deceptive speed, you wouldn't think it for a big man but its there.

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I have heard PC say it was Lane


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Brandon Browner still doesn't get enough mention, the guy is fast when he INT's a ball, Kam tripped him once on an INT because Browner caught him so fast.

Earl and Sherman are both fast.

I just re-watched Super Bowl XL, all our DB's are faster than the players we had then. Watching Willie Parker run 80 yards for a TD would never happen against this team.


I didn't look it up... But wasn't
Willie Parker one of the fastest running backs in the NFL at that
Time? may also be a track guy too?

But he look awfully fast on that
80 yard run.


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Speed can be kind of odd to calculate, as you have different kinds.

Thomas and Lane are not only high top end speed, but quick and have great acceleration.

Sherman is noted as one of the best in the league with his make up speed. He doesn't have elite burst or acceleration from a standstill, which is why he ran a 4.5, but once he gets going, he gets there fast. An example is that pass deflection in last year's playoffs against Roddy White. White was open by 7 yards and once that ball was in the air, Sherm caught him and knocked it down. And Ryan didn't underthrow that ball either.

Browner is the same way. He ran a 4.6, but he was also clocked faster than that in college. He's fast, but doesn't get going right away which is why quicker WRs can hurt him, but also why he catches AP in 40 yards when AP runs a legit 4.4 forty. Then look at his INT's....he usually gets to the house if he just has to outrun people.

Thurmond is a legit low 4.4 guy. He's fast and quick.

I think I read somewhere that Maxwell is 4.4 as well, but a higher 4.4

I think Chancellor clocked at a 4.5 or 4.6. He seems to play about that speed but usually doesn't have a problem hanging with TE's with inline speed. He doesn't change direction really quickly though.

Irvin runs a legit 4.4 forty and he changes direction FAST. He's probably honestly faster than Chancellor, Sherman and maybe Maxwell. He's also got amazing burst from a standstill.


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If i remember correctly from one of the countless videos and tweets was something like.
Rickardo locket.
Jeremy lane,
Percy harvin
Earl Thomas,

I thought i heard somewhere that in a foot race at practice locket out ran everyone.

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