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Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:12 am
  • I have to admit this is the one area that still very much concerns me. I remember heading into the playoffs last year, the Hawks were dismantling opponents and were putting the ball into the end zone with greater frequency. (Going off what I remember). We seemed much "hotter" if you will.

    I remember at the end of the Titans game, Max Unger said "The red zone is still kicking our tails. We need to get it done there. I don’t have an answer for it right now. We [will watch] the film and come up with something."

    Is it me or have the Hawks not improved at all? Seems they are kicking way too many field goals after reaching the red zone. What is most disconcerting, is that it seems we are not scoring TD's even after have first and goals deep in the red zone, first and goal from the five and better. I'm sure it's a combination of play calling and lack of receiver separation, but I would sure feel better if we were trending the right direction in the red zone headed into the playoffs. When we lose it's always by less than seven points, one or two TD's instead of field goals and we would be virtually unbeatable.

    My question is what do you think is the primary cause of our red zone woes? Since I didn't look up the stats, hopefully they are not as bad as they seem or "feel" lately as I watch the games, but am curious what your opinions are. Also, I am hoping that Percy's ability to create separation and mismatches facilitates improvement in the red zone.

    In a nutshell,

    Are we really struggling in the RZ or is it just me?

    Why are we struggling in the RZ?

    How are we going to improve in the RZ during the playoffs?
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:32 am
  • Since Rice went out our Red Zone offense has struggled and I suspect its because we have not big WR to get quick slants, fades and take advantage of Height. The adjustment is Kearse and going more read option with Lynch, Harvin and Wilson in the backfield. Also we need to force the ball to Tate on screens like Denver does with Welker and Thomas... I think they will adjust and we should be fine. I do agree that kicking field goals instead of getting TD's will cost us somewhere in the playoffs and is a big key!
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:39 am
  • First I'll throw out the big asterisk here: I have no facts to back this is up, this is just my perception from watching the games.

    That said, I agree, compared to last year, it does feel like we've scored fewer touchdowns in the redzone. However, we've had way more field goals. I think Hauschka is the leading scorer in the league this year? And while nobody likes settling for a field goal, I'll take that over a punt any day. But some theories I have are:

    -We haven't been in the red zone as much this year. More scoring from outside on deep balls and yards after the catch

    -More use of the bootleg and screen pass. I like and dislike this. Like because we're putting more faith in letting Russell captain the ship. Dislike because (and we all remember Lynch's finger) it's too cute sometimes. You don't pass from 1 yard out when you have Lynch. You put your faith in him, you let Mike Rob lead the way, and you pound the ball in. So what if the other team expects it. Our WRs and TEs are physical, but they lack the size of a Graham and Megatron to just muscle into the end zone and pull the ball down, and Lynch is good for a reason. Have faith in Russell, but have faith in Marshawn and our line also.

    But again, points are points, and when you have a defense like ours, they can make a field goal go a long way
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:40 am
  • The ever evolving (revolving?) OL has been a major hindrance this season. I fully expect to see wholesale change to our OL in the off-season. Likely not all of them but there are a few opportunities there for certain! I watched Nick Foles stand in the pocket for ~5 seconds Saturday waiting for his receiver (Cooper?) to get free before lobbing him a TD. That is an eternity! What could Russell do with 5 seconds? I don't have any stats for this, but I suspect it is closer to 2-3 than 5. Granted, not all of this is on the Line as our receivers have struggled to get separation. I suspect that Health is the biggest factor. Half our Receiving corps and nearly every Offensive Lineman is either on the IR or has been injured a significant portion of the season.

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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:48 am
  • Zach Miller will play a pivitol roll in 20-30 yard gains, look for Zach to ease the pressure in the RZ
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:51 am
  • I wonder what the record is for threads talking about "concern" or "worry" about something in a week.
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:51 am
  • It was ridiculously obvious we have red zone problems, and offensive problems in general, when we got five interceptions in New York and scored a total of 23 points. You know what Peyton Manning's offense would have had with five extra ints? Like 70 damn points.
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:53 am
  • Here's something to consider:

    In the late middle of the season, the Seahawks were putting up some pretty good performances. 33-10 over the Falcons, 41-20 over the Vikes, and 34-7 over the Saints. Very few people were talking about red zone issues or offensive struggles at that point.

    Then we hit our last 4 games, went 2-2, and had plenty of offensive struggles. People asked, "What happened?" and started trying to diagnose what was "wrong" with our offense. I have an answer...

    We started playing better defenses.

    Look at the teams against whom we finished our season: San Francisco, New York Giants, Arizona, St. Louis.

    If you look at their rankings in the Football Outsiders' Defensive Efficiency Ratings, they were all outstanding.

    SF - 13th
    NYG - 6th
    Arizona - 2nd
    St. Louis - 12th

    If you look at the weighted ratings which give more weight to recent games to give a better sense of how they were playing at the end of the season, those rankings only go UP.

    SF - 11th
    NYG - 4th
    Arizona - 2nd
    St. Louis - 7th

    Now this isn't to say that there aren't things the offense needs to work on, nor is it to suggest that the red zone concerns are imaginary. But the fact is that there were two teams on the field in each of those games, and offenses tend to perform better against weaker defenses. Conversely, facing a tough slate of defenses often results in a dip in offensive output. Ideally, we'd be able to face a poor defense all the way through the SB, but that's not going to happen. The Saints D isn't great against the run and can be burned through the air, but if we get past New Orleans, we still have to face the SF/Carolina winner... so I think we can expect our offense to continue to struggle in that game. We'll just have to content ourselves with knowing that the team that ranked 1st in overall D and weighted D according to Football Outsiders is our very own Seahawks, so if the opponent's D is making Wilson & Company's lives rough, our own D will be doing the same to their offense.
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:01 am
  • None of it has a damn thing to do with what happens this Saturday. Score 20+ points, play D the way they always do at home = victory.
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:08 am
  • rjdriver wrote:
    Are we really struggling in the RZ or is it just me?


    It's just you. Here's the red zone stats for 2012 and 2013 for the Hawks.

    http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/re ... coring-pct

    We're actually almost 3% higher this year than last. I think a lot of people are just remembering the last six games last year and the playoffs where our offense was REALLY clicking.

    So IMO the question shouldn't be about Red Zone efficiency, the question should be "Should we expect this offense to do what it did during the 2nd half of 2012 ALL THE TIME?" Fair?
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:30 am
  • As hot as we were last year our offense SUCKED in the playoffs. Well at least it sucked in the first half. Against the redskins we scored 13 points in the first half and against the Falcons we scored 0.
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:34 am
  • WilsonMVP wrote:As hot as we were last year our offense SUCKED in the playoffs. Well at least it sucked in the first half. Against the redskins we scored 13 points in the first half and against the Falcons we scored 0.


    I've been beating that drum since the Holmgren era. For some reason we have forever been a slow starting team, which drives me bat$*&! crazy.

    Just once I'd like to see Pete let Russell come out during the first couple of possessions and sling it around, and not be so damn conservative.
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:37 am
  • Early in the year Bevell seemed to be getting cute with the play calling and wasn't running Lynch much inside the 5. Since like week 10, that's all he's called. Now there's a part of this which is setting the precedent so you can play action off it in the playoffs once they expect you to run but it's also that Lynch is our strength.

    I think there will be some opportunities to run play action off Lynch in the playoffs. I'm hoping they've held some cool gadget type of plays, naked bootlegs, etc.

    Remember that Miller cut block fall down TD earlier in the season? They tried to run that with a OL a few weeks ago and it failed. That's the type of trickyness I'm talking about. I think there's opportunity there.
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:53 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    WilsonMVP wrote:As hot as we were last year our offense SUCKED in the playoffs. Well at least it sucked in the first half. Against the redskins we scored 13 points in the first half and against the Falcons we scored 0.


    I've been beating that drum since the Holmgren era. For some reason we have forever been a slow starting team, which drives me bat$*&! crazy.

    Just once I'd like to see Pete let Russell come out during the first couple of possessions and sling it around, and not be so damn conservative.



    We came out strong against the Colts. Go figure.

    Remember too, we almost always defer if we win the toss. That's one less possession in the first half.

    I look for a significant offensive improvement against the Saints. I agree the Miller has some big plays and I have a feeling Doug is going to come up with a couple of huge catches on third down.
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:47 pm
  • Pete generally always deferred at USC because he wanted his defense on the field to set the tone early, and that extra possession to start the second half.

    When he came to Seattle, he generally did not defer the first season because the defense wasn't good enough yet. They are now, obviously.

    I don't have actual stats to back this up, but anecdotally, I have the sense that both USC and Seattle generally win games if they win the toss. If they don't win the toss, it's literally a toss up. I'd have to say that Pete knows what he's doing by choosing to defer.
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:12 pm
  • You cannot compare 2012 to 2013 outright.

    As anyone remembers, in 2012 we had quite a few barely there games, it was back and forth for a while and then finally Chicago really kicked us out of our shell. From there the Seahawks offense became a buzzsaw. In fact, last year the big danger was our offense. Remember that our defense was giving away games occasionally but it seemed like every time we got the ball we scored. I am betting the points per game was significantly higher last year in those final games than this year.

    Then again, the Rams damned near stoned our offense last year. So it might have been we were feasting on teams like Buffalo, but even against teams like SF we were romping.

    One thing I have noticed is that several touchdowns we missed came from guys like McCoy and Robinson. Robinson in particular I remember was more of a red zone threat, this year it is like the guy is only on the team half the time and we almost ignore him as an offensive weapon. Then again, Willson is enough of an offensive weapon to make us forget McCoy, who was not blessed with the most reliable hands and couldn't outrun the defenders when he caught it. (But he made some CLUTCH catches for us last year too).

    I think part is, after all the crap we talked about Rice being overpaid, we miss him. He did come through for us, got open when we needed it and gave us some big long catches. We also haven't really been using Miller as the weapon we know he is.

    The offset is that the defense is MUCH better, so maybe we don't need the buzzsaw. But we sure shouldn't overlook some of the guys we are disregarding right now.

    And it did cost us games, Indy is a game that we should have won had we just done something with our trips to the red zone.

    Still, it isn't bad when there are so many reasons to struggle and you still win.
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:08 am
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:None of it has a damn thing to do with what happens this Saturday. Score 20+ points, play D the way they always do at home = victory.


    Need to score 28 or more points.

    Saints will get 27 -- at least 2 of those scores will come on drives extended/keyed by cheap penalties against our D. Bank on it.

    If the offense doesn't come out and play better than it has the last month, we are one and done.

    I expect the offense will.
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:46 am
  • Cap'n Obviouse here--The closer to the Goal Line = the more the congestion, = the smaller the windows for passes.
    The problem with having to SETTLE for field goals, is that you're inching up the score, you have to have 3 fairly successful drives and 3 field goals to trump 1 TD.
    Where the Seahawks have their best performances in the red zone that I've noticed, is when they do a hurry-up Offense, and get the Beast going before the Defense can get set up, adjust to each other and choke off the running lanes.
    There aren't many successful one-on-ones against ML in the Defenses that he's run against, and when the O-Line doesn't have to try'n hold the line of attack for way too long.
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:48 am
  • The_Z_Man wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:None of it has a damn thing to do with what happens this Saturday. Score 20+ points, play D the way they always do at home = victory.


    Need to score 28 or more points.

    Saints will get 27 -- at least 2 of those scores will come on drives extended/keyed by cheap penalties against our D. Bank on it.

    If the offense doesn't come out and play better than it has the last month, we are one and done.

    I expect the offense will.


    you think we'll give up 27 points when we only gave up more than 21 in non-garbage time twice all season? (I'm not including at home to Arizona when we simply allowed them to march down the field to chew up their own clock).

    And in those games we had MAJOR miscues - one was the game against Tampa Bay where we came out flat, don't expect that in a postseason game. The other was at the Colts when we just fluked away some points - blocked field goal returned for a TD and a 71 yard TD pass. I'm not saying it can't happen again, but evidence is there to suggest we won't give up more than 20, especially since the defense has been lights out in the last 7 games.
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Tue Jan 07, 2014 7:09 am
  • Won't be settling for FG's this Saturday, this team will be putting up 6 instead.
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Tue Jan 07, 2014 7:35 am
  • The_Z_Man wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:None of it has a damn thing to do with what happens this Saturday. Score 20+ points, play D the way they always do at home = victory.


    Need to score 28 or more points.

    Saints will get 27 -- at least 2 of those scores will come on drives extended/keyed by cheap penalties against our D. Bank on it.



    I'm not banking on it. If the Saints win, they did it the same way as Arizona - keeping the score low. I mean, the Saints average 17 on the road, and they didn't even get to 27 against the Eagles defense. Why would anyone expect them to get there against Seattle?
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Tue Jan 07, 2014 7:55 am
  • Well, that pass play we ran to Mike Rob in the Falcon's playoff game last season was awesome... ?

    I think getting MRob back is a boost to what we can do inside the red zone. Yes, losing Rice was a big negative, and McCoy (IMHO) was another potential cause for the woes, but I think we will see changes in the right direction on Saturday.
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:09 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    rjdriver wrote:
    Are we really struggling in the RZ or is it just me?


    It's just you. Here's the red zone stats for 2012 and 2013 for the Hawks.

    http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/re ... coring-pct

    We're actually almost 3% higher this year than last. I think a lot of people are just remembering the last six games last year and the playoffs where our offense was REALLY clicking.

    So IMO the question shouldn't be about Red Zone efficiency, the question should be "Should we expect this offense to do what it did during the 2nd half of 2012 ALL THE TIME?" Fair?


    There are some striking differences between the 2nd half of last year vs. this season. We had the Niners at home in the second half, this year we had to play them on the road in December. The Cards were a runaway train heading towards a washed out bridge in 2012, on their way to losing something like 9 in a row, and we laid 58 on them. This season, they were in the playoff hunt right up into the final weekend. We played a dead-from-the neck-up Bills team on what was essentially a neutral field, and put 50 up on them. And as one poster pointed out, we had Sidney Rice playing the best football he's played since he signed with us.

    We didn't have those kinds of schedule and personnel breaks in the second half of this season. We had to play the Niners on the road and Arizona was a completely changed team that was in the hunt right up until the last weekend. This year, we are short at the WR position, in more ways than one.

    We are struggling in the red zone. There's no doubt about it, and using our performance in the last part of 2012 season isn't a good way to show that it's all in our minds. We have a 5'10" quarterback and our starting wide receivers are both 5'10". That fact tends to become more relevant as the field shrinks.
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:42 am
  • RiverDog wrote:
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    rjdriver wrote:
    Are we really struggling in the RZ or is it just me?


    It's just you. Here's the red zone stats for 2012 and 2013 for the Hawks.

    http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/re ... coring-pct

    We're actually almost 3% higher this year than last. I think a lot of people are just remembering the last six games last year and the playoffs where our offense was REALLY clicking.

    So IMO the question shouldn't be about Red Zone efficiency, the question should be "Should we expect this offense to do what it did during the 2nd half of 2012 ALL THE TIME?" Fair?


    There are some striking differences between the 2nd half of last year vs. this season. We had the Niners at home in the second half, this year we had to play them on the road in December. The Cards were a runaway train heading towards a washed out bridge in 2012, on their way to losing something like 9 in a row, and we laid 58 on them. This season, they were in the playoff hunt right up into the final weekend. We played a dead-from-the neck-up Bills team on what was essentially a neutral field, and put 50 up on them. And as one poster pointed out, we had Sidney Rice playing the best football he's played since he signed with us.

    We didn't have those kinds of schedule and personnel breaks in the second half of this season. We had to play the Niners on the road and Arizona was a completely changed team that was in the hunt right up until the last weekend. This year, we are short at the WR position, in more ways than one.

    We are struggling in the red zone. There's no doubt about it, and using our performance in the last part of 2012 season isn't a good way to show that it's all in our minds. We have a 5'10" quarterback and our starting wide receivers are both 5'10". That fact tends to become more relevant as the field shrinks.


    The point of bringing up the end of last year is to show that unrealistic expectations are hampering peoples' abilities to evaluate our red zone efficiency with the proper perspective. Your post confirms that. On average, Seattle's red zone efficiency is higher than last year's.

    Seattle has recently faced a string of extremely difficult defenses. Just like last year's end-of-season run caused people to lose perspective in one direction, this recent run against elite defenses is causing people to lose perspective in the other direction.

    Seattle's red zone efficiency wasn't any better when Sidney Rice was playing. Lots of slot receivers, like Welker, are great red zone threats. Drew Brees is great in the red zone. Once a QB has passed the hurdle of becoming a starting QB in the NFL, there is no correlation between passing efficiency and height. I'd be very curious to see if you have any research verifying that there's a correlation between height and red zone efficiency. I would tend to doubt it. Short QBs, and particularly Wilson, can run in scores and buy time for receivers to get open, which we've seen time and again.
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:42 pm
  • Sarlacc83 wrote:I'm not banking on it. If the Saints win, they did it the same way as Arizona - keeping the score low. I mean, the Saints average 17 on the road, and they didn't even get to 27 against the Eagles defense. Why would anyone expect them to get there against Seattle?


    The Saints have the advantage in this game. They will have a plan to counter what Seattle did to them. Meanwhile the Seahawks have a bunch of "success" to look at on tape. This is the reason why, when two top tier teams play and one gets blown out, it's pretty normal for them to come back and win the next game.

    Payton is one of the best minds in the NFL, and Brees is a top end QB. The NFL rules favor offense.

    I expect the Saints to be far more competitive and efficient than last game. Furthermore the Seahawks played about as well as they could possibly play... 34 to 7 wasn't indicative of how lopsided that game was.

    All that the Saints need is a great game, a few key calls, and a lucky bounce and they walk out of the Clink with a win and avenge that insane wildcard loss a few seasons ago.

    This game is huge, if the Seahawks show up and knock the Saints down in a convincing manner - it will give them an overwhelming advantage the following week, especially if they face the 49ers.
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Tue Jan 07, 2014 7:35 pm
  • Been looking at these stats a bit. Will post something in a while with actual numbers...
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Tue Jan 07, 2014 7:59 pm
  • TO me the issue is play calling, we seem very reserve in the first half and the sometimes we open it up in the 2nd sometimes not. You want better red zone production the play calling must improve
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:09 pm
  • Okay, I took the final 4 games (weeks 14-17) and compared them to what should be considered a good stretch of games in which our offense thrived (weeks 9-13 which included a bye so it still comes out to 4 games).

    The idea was to see what types of plays we ran (run/pass, how often, to whom and with what result). Basically I used a really cool website to pull two result sets then put the results side by side so it was nothing too complicated.

    Here's the data:

    Play ResultsPlay ResultsPlay ResultsPlay ResultsPlay ResultsPlay ResultsPlay TypesPlay Types
    wk 9-13GPlaysToGoYds1st%TO%TDFG1stIntFumSackPassRush
    4476.723.6836.20%2.10%125171001730
    25.50%9.6%36.20%2.10%0%0%36.20%63.80%
    wk 14-174386.132.5831.60%0.00%55120051820
    13.20%11.4%31.60%0%0%13.20%47.40%52.60%

    Items of note:
    - Seattle had fewer trips into the red zone overall (11 vs 17).
    - Ratio of trips to touchdowns is much worse (hopefully our data further down will highlight why).
    - Russell was sacked 5 times (13% of total plays inside of the red zone) in weeks 14-17 (2/5 inside the 2 yard line, 4/5 inside the 5 and all 5 being inside of the 10 yard line).
    - Pass to run ratio does not look to have swayed drastically in one direction or the other.


    PassingPlayerCmpAttCmp%YdsTDIntSkY/ARate
    wk 9-13Russell Wilson101662.50%858105.389.8
    wk 14-17Russell Wilson51338.50%572054.492

    Items of note:
    - Russell had a MUCH lower completion percentage in weeks 14-17. Given the sack totals, it might be fair to conclude that he was hurried more as well. I recall seeing a chart that showed Russell's passing accuracy in the red zone about a month ago and it was VERY impressve. Perhaps teams have decided to pressure him in the red zone more often in an effort to force rushed throws? Just a theory.
    - Obviously weeks 14-17 show a 75% drop in TDs but he hasn't thrown any picks. Yards per attempt are down but passer rating is up (odd?).


    RushingPlayerAttYdsY/ATD
    wk 9-13Russell Wilson7405.711
    Marshawn Lynch19341.793
    Christine Michael1990
    Robert Turbin252.50
    Totals29883.034
    wk 14-17Marshawn Lynch16523.253
    Russell Wilson21680
    Doug Baldwin1330
    Robert Turbin1000
    Totals20713.553

    Items of note:
    - Marshawn has been more effective on the ground inside of the red zone from a Y/A standpoint (which surprised me).
    - Russell has noticably run the ball less inside the red zone. Either he's been contained or simply chose to run less.


    ReceivingPlayerTCPctYdsTD
    wk 9-13Doug Baldwin5360.00%333
    Jermaine Kearse4250.00%231
    Marshawn Lynch22100.00%131
    Derrick Coleman11100.00%81
    Golden Tate2150.00%61
    Zach Miller2150.00%21
    Totals161062.50%858
    wk 14-17Doug Baldwin22100.00%251
    Jermaine Kearse4250.00%210
    Zach Miller3133.30%111
    Michael Robinson100.00%00
    Marshawn Lynch100.00%00
    Totals11545.50%572

    Items of note:
    - Baldwin was targeted the most in weeks 9-13, was the only receiver with more than one red zone TD and was targeted less in weeks 14-17. Maybe teams are emphasizing coverage on him inside of the red zone, could be play calling but it was the first thing to jump out at me.
    - Overall completion percentage took a significant hit.


    In Summary:
    We made fewer trips, ran the ball at a higher rate than we passed and had better production (with similar results) in the run game but failed pretty miserably at passing inside the red zone over the final four weeks of the season.

    Given what we can get from the stats, I'll be interested to go back and watch some of those red zone series and see how defenses seemed to be defending against the pass though I'd be more interested to hear what someone who actually knows about football thinks about those plays specificall. Maybe show us how teams are defending in the red zone and maybe call out any changes that have been made? Or, is it simply a lack of execution by the offense?

    [edit] **Field goals are not included in play count but the percentages are accurate. I simply did not want actual field goal downs to be reflected in the play totals because they would skew the averages for yards per play. The percentages however, are based on total plays that include that play type.
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:23 pm
  • Interesting that our redzone % is higher this year than last year. It sure feels pretty terrible this year and I think some of these other stats could attribute to this (thanks for link with all these stats).

    Statistic: 2012 - 2013

    First downs per game: 20.1 - 19.2

    Yards per Game: 360 - 339

    Rushing yards per game: 162.6 - 136.8

    Passing yards per game: 197.5 - 202.2

    Completion percentage: 63.81% - 63.57%

    Third down conversion percentage: 40% - 37.25%

    First downs per play: 0.326 - 0.316

    QB sacked per game: 2.2 - 2.8

    Time of Possesion: 31:24 - 29:53

    Yards per play: 5.8 - 5.6


    So out of all those statistics the only one we improved from 2012 to 2013 is passing yards per game we went up almost 5 yards per game. Meanwhile we lost over 20 rushing yards per game.

    I'm not even cherry picking stats here this is even a bit worst than I expected, our offense has gotten worst this year no doubt, and our defense is really carrying us in my opinion.

    So we may have a slightly higher red zone % this year but the majority of our other areas of offense have regressed so it may be kind of an illusion with red zone %.

    I put most the blame on Bevell and our offensive line.
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:15 am
  • IIRC our starting field position was worse in the last 3 NFCW games and that can make a big difference. I hope the bye week gave Schneider time to tune up special teams and getting them back to their usual elite status.

    Edit: Pete always says that he likes to make a team go 80 yards because that's more time for them to make a mistake against our defense. Isn't it wonderful to have the #1 defense! Woohooo!!!! :179417:
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:23 am
  • Tokadub wrote:Interesting that our redzone % is higher this year than last year. It sure feels pretty terrible this year and I think some of these other stats could attribute to this (thanks for link with all these stats).

    Statistic: 2012 - 2013

    First downs per game: 20.1 - 19.2

    Yards per Game: 360 - 339

    Rushing yards per game: 162.6 - 136.8

    Passing yards per game: 197.5 - 202.2

    Completion percentage: 63.81% - 63.57%

    Third down conversion percentage: 40% - 37.25%

    First downs per play: 0.326 - 0.316

    QB sacked per game: 2.2 - 2.8

    Time of Possesion: 31:24 - 29:53

    Yards per play: 5.8 - 5.6


    So out of all those statistics the only one we improved from 2012 to 2013 is passing yards per game we went up almost 5 yards per game. Meanwhile we lost over 20 rushing yards per game.

    I'm not even cherry picking stats here this is even a bit worst than I expected, our offense has gotten worst this year no doubt, and our defense is really carrying us in my opinion.

    So we may have a slightly higher red zone % this year but the majority of our other areas of offense have regressed so it may be kind of an illusion with red zone %.

    I put most the blame on Bevell and our offensive line.
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    That sounds about right...
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Re: Red Zone Ineffectiveness
Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:43 am
  • The_Z_Man wrote:
    Sarlacc83 wrote:I'm not banking on it. If the Saints win, they did it the same way as Arizona - keeping the score low. I mean, the Saints average 17 on the road, and they didn't even get to 27 against the Eagles defense. Why would anyone expect them to get there against Seattle?


    The Saints have the advantage in this game. They will have a plan to counter what Seattle did to them. Meanwhile the Seahawks have a bunch of "success" to look at on tape. This is the reason why, when two top tier teams play and one gets blown out, it's pretty normal for them to come back and win the next game.

    Payton is one of the best minds in the NFL, and Brees is a top end QB. The NFL rules favor offense.

    I expect the Saints to be far more competitive and efficient than last game. Furthermore the Seahawks played about as well as they could possibly play... 34 to 7 wasn't indicative of how lopsided that game was.

    All that the Saints need is a great game, a few key calls, and a lucky bounce and they walk out of the Clink with a win and avenge that insane wildcard loss a few seasons ago.

    This game is huge, if the Seahawks show up and knock the Saints down in a convincing manner - it will give them an overwhelming advantage the following week, especially if they face the 49ers.

    You are crazy if you think they drop 27. They are soft. Hawks D is gonna punch them in the mouth.
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