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Re: John Schneider
Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:38 am
  • I’m loving this draft so far. I’m liking what I’m seeing and reading about most of their picks. So many of them fit that “Seahawks” profile. You don’t just pick players due to how highly they are rated by the so-called experts. You take players who are a good FIT for your team/philosophy. I think John and Pete are having a great draft!


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Re: John Schneider
Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:08 pm
  • Atradees wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    Atradees wrote:RW. He didnt make that pick. same guy that picked RW did not make those picks today.


    Again, then who did?


    The picks made today were clueless and awful. You cant, even as a fan pray, that bye miracle of God think they are gonna start or even compete. It could not have been John. NOPE. NO way.

    *bye* is incorrect use. Should've been by
    You make yourself look even worse when your use of the English language is at a lower level than your arguments.
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Re: John Schneider
Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:09 pm
  • jmahon316 wrote:So far I'm really liking these picks. These players have a very Seahawk-y feel to them and so many people forget that you can be the greatest player in the world but if you don't fit the system, you're not going to go as far as you're hyped to go. I'm very excited about today's draft and who else we pull



    James in PA wrote:I’m loving this draft so far. I’m liking what I’m seeing and reading about most of their picks. So many of them fit that “Seahawks” profile. You don’t just pick players due to how highly they are rated by the so-called experts. You take players who are a good FIT for your team/philosophy. I think John and Pete are having a great draft!


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    Said it in the 1st page of this post but I seriously agree.
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Re: John Schneider
Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:26 am
  • The biggest misconception with fans is that the draft is a talent ranking. That first round is more talented than the second and they will quote evidence over the years that “proves” this. It doesn’t. The draft is generally about risk management and opportunity. For example, if a team is investing millions of dollars (including jerseys and marketing etc) into a first round pick, they want lower risk players. This is why a guy like Daniel Jones goes number six. Talent-wise I think he was a terrible QB, but the media loved him and he says the right things and he looks the part. So Gettleman can go to his owner when/if it blows up and say “Look no one saw this coming. He was a consensus first rounder.”

    Secondly, first and second round picks get more reps, get more chances to fail etc. A great example is Dion Jordan. Would anyone care about Dion Jordan given his past if he wasn’t the #3 overall pick? What about Luke Joekal? Or Trent Richardson? This happens all the time. Draft slot gives more opportunity. Not only because jobs are usually on the line if they don’t succeed, but also because teams trading for them or signing them later can easily justify the investment to management.

    One of the reasons John and Pete do well in later rounds is they aren’t held to a standard of “Your first pick needs to be a star that we can market and make money on.” They can look at a guy they like and take him. And Pete’s philosophy opens the door for more later round guys to succeed.

    Whining about a draft (and believe me I’ve been there) is wasted effort. So long as a team is showing consistent vision (which Seattle lost when the roster was stacked with talent) it’s a better draft than most teams. Seattle’s last two drafts have shown consistent vision. Doesn’t mean it will work, it just means there’s a plan. And that’s what’s important.
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Re: John Schneider
Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:53 pm
  • You may not like the players drafted or the execution of his draft strategy, but the logic behind what he’s doing is sound. Trading back in the draft is the closest thing to Money Ball in the NFL. Your odds of hitting on a player don’t drastically decrease by moving back a few spots, and gaining more picks later increases your odds of hitting on guys in the later rounds.
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Re: John Schneider
Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:01 pm
  • toffee wrote:
    Atradees wrote:RW. He didnt make that pick. same guy that picked RW did not make those picks today. Some other GM would have had better value. This is a clueless deal. Its gone bad its toast.
    ok time to name the one who picked RW.


    Come on Atradees, time to come clean on your insider knowledge: WHO was the guy that drafted RW?
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Re: John Schneider
Sun May 05, 2019 9:40 am
  • Come on again, WHO was the guy in your mind that drafted RW?



    On this video, John Scheider 'discovered' Wilson during his scouting trip to Wisconsin and sold him to he organization.
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Re: John Schneider
Tue May 07, 2019 11:49 am
  • toffee wrote:Come on again, WHO was the guy in your mind that drafted RW?



    On this video, John Scheider 'discovered' Wilson during his scouting trip to Wisconsin and sold him to he organization.


    I'm guessing he is implying Scot McCloughan
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Re: John Schneider
Wed May 08, 2019 10:35 pm
  • Yxes1122 wrote:The biggest misconception with fans is that the draft is a talent ranking. That first round is more talented than the second and they will quote evidence over the years that “proves” this. It doesn’t. The draft is generally about risk management and opportunity. For example, if a team is investing millions of dollars (including jerseys and marketing etc) into a first round pick, they want lower risk players. This is why a guy like Daniel Jones goes number six. Talent-wise I think he was a terrible QB, but the media loved him and he says the right things and he looks the part. So Gettleman can go to his owner when/if it blows up and say “Look no one saw this coming. He was a consensus first rounder.”

    Secondly, first and second round picks get more reps, get more chances to fail etc. A great example is Dion Jordan. Would anyone care about Dion Jordan given his past if he wasn’t the #3 overall pick? What about Luke Joekal? Or Trent Richardson? This happens all the time. Draft slot gives more opportunity. Not only because jobs are usually on the line if they don’t succeed, but also because teams trading for them or signing them later can easily justify the investment to management.

    One of the reasons John and Pete do well in later rounds is they aren’t held to a standard of “Your first pick needs to be a star that we can market and make money on.” They can look at a guy they like and take him. And Pete’s philosophy opens the door for more later round guys to succeed.

    Whining about a draft (and believe me I’ve been there) is wasted effort. So long as a team is showing consistent vision (which Seattle lost when the roster was stacked with talent) it’s a better draft than most teams. Seattle’s last two drafts have shown consistent vision. Doesn’t mean it will work, it just means there’s a plan. And that’s what’s important.


    Well said.
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Re: John Schneider
Thu May 09, 2019 12:54 pm
  • IMO- This draft, more so than previous drafts, the Seahawks placed a premium on the "mental aspects" of player evaluations (that we fans are not often privy to). This makes sense after the last couple of seasons that have seen "mouthy" and/or "disruptive" veterans depart. In this draft, there were several prospects that I think must have had some really bad interviews and/or poor recommendations from college coaches or teammates. I can't come up with any other reasons they passed on guys like Omenihu, Nelson, Crosby & Gardner-Johnson when they had a chance at them. No more prima donna's or mouthy & disruptive individuals as the Seahawks would seem to be a likely goal in this draft and I would assume future drafts. PC/JS have probably learned from their past missteps and now only want players that 100% buy in and are team first above all else.

    I do like the draft and the players selected this year, however I'm starting to think that at the end of round 2, through early round 3, they had planned on taking an edge rusher, but couldn't pass up the opportunity to select Metcalf and having done so, missed out on an edge rusher they liked with that pick. Easy enough to assume as WR was also a big need and nobody would have guessed that Metcalf would fall that far. I think they then decided that they could get a veteran edge rusher in FA that would likely outperform any rookie edge they might have drafted in late round-2, early round-3.

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Re: John Schneider
Thu May 09, 2019 1:03 pm
  • mistaowen wrote:
    toffee wrote:Come on again, WHO was the guy in your mind that drafted RW?



    On this video, John Scheider 'discovered' Wilson during his scouting trip to Wisconsin and sold him to he organization.


    I'm guessing he is implying Scot McCloughan


    Let him speak for himself, he pointed a finger and now has gone hiding.
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Re: John Schneider
Wed May 15, 2019 11:01 am
  • Atradees wrote:We have really enjoyed your years of service. Clear out your area of any personal belongings. Please leave your door pass at the front desk. Thank you.


    Well Atradees enjoy your Putz of the year award. You earned it. Now a trip to the White House is your reward.
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Re: John Schneider
Wed May 15, 2019 12:19 pm
  • I'm interested though....what would you have done with our four picks? Who did you want?
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Re: John Schneider
Sun May 19, 2019 8:50 am
  • Atradees wrote:Worst draft in years. It speaks for itself. Or it will. I have to believe he didn't pick Russell Wilson, Richard Sherman, Kam Chancellor or the rest. This is all some fraud being portrayed upon us. The tru driving force behind our superbowls was somebody else.


    Whatever?

    Worst draft in years? According to who? We still are waiting upon your picks that he could have made to have made this a good draft in your view?

    Please stop smoking whatever it is that is causing your conspiracy theories.

    He took 4 picks available to him when the offseason started, traded for a first to give him 5, then converted those 5 picks into 10 and then finally acquired a potential slot WR by trading away a 2020 6th to wind up with 11 picks. I think he was lights out amazing and if the team contends this season for the Lombardi deserves consideration for executive of the year.

    Clearly you must have missed the extreme needs at various spots of the roster. I completely disagree with your post. Suspect you thought the draft that acquired Chancellor and Sherman or Wilson and Wagner were terrible too.
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Re: John Schneider
Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:07 pm
  • Yxes1122 wrote:The biggest misconception with fans is that the draft is a talent ranking. That first round is more talented than the second and they will quote evidence over the years that “proves” this. It doesn’t. The draft is generally about risk management and opportunity. For example, if a team is investing millions of dollars (including jerseys and marketing etc) into a first round pick, they want lower risk players. This is why a guy like Daniel Jones goes number six. Talent-wise I think he was a terrible QB, but the media loved him and he says the right things and he looks the part. So Gettleman can go to his owner when/if it blows up and say “Look no one saw this coming. He was a consensus first rounder.”

    Secondly, first and second round picks get more reps, get more chances to fail etc. A great example is Dion Jordan. Would anyone care about Dion Jordan given his past if he wasn’t the #3 overall pick? What about Luke Joekal? Or Trent Richardson? This happens all the time. Draft slot gives more opportunity. Not only because jobs are usually on the line if they don’t succeed, but also because teams trading for them or signing them later can easily justify the investment to management.

    One of the reasons John and Pete do well in later rounds is they aren’t held to a standard of “Your first pick needs to be a star that we can market and make money on.” They can look at a guy they like and take him. And Pete’s philosophy opens the door for more later round guys to succeed.

    Whining about a draft (and believe me I’ve been there) is wasted effort. So long as a team is showing consistent vision (which Seattle lost when the roster was stacked with talent) it’s a better draft than most teams. Seattle’s last two drafts have shown consistent vision. Doesn’t mean it will work, it just means there’s a plan. And that’s what’s important.


    Bumping an interesting thread to check how we were feeling about the 2019 draft over a season later, and to highlight the comment I've quoted above.

    This is one of my favorite posts ever made on this board.
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Re: John Schneider
Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:55 pm
  • 2019 was an abjectly crappy draft. Full of reaches and failed attempts to plug holes. So much so that we ended up doubling down and spending high draft capital and multiple 2020 picks in a 2nd failed attempt to fix the DE position. And ultimately had to burn 2 additional first round picks (Adams), Bradley McDougald and a 5th round pick (Diggs) in addition to the 2019 2nd to adequately address the safety position.

    If you factor in that we also 'traded' Frank Clark, another third round pick and Jacob Martin (Clowney) to get that lousy result -- it's even worse.

    It's the grossest example of drafting for need and why it's ridiculously stupid. It's almost guaranteed to result in not only not solving (as opposed to addressing) need, but also inviting roster decay by not preemptively solving short/medium term needs just around the corner.

    Solving != addressing. Addressing may as well be answering "C" to every question on a test. And all one needs to do to evaluate that draft, is to consider the massive/costly moves made in the 12 months since that draft at those positions to see how Pete/John considered it.

    DK saved that draft sort of. Much like Damian Lewis will save this one. Just like Will Dissly and Jacob Martn saved the 2018 draft.
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Re: John Schneider
Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:24 pm
  • Attyla the Hawk wrote:2019 was an abjectly crappy draft. Full of reaches and failed attempts to plug holes. So much so that we ended up doubling down and spending high draft capital and multiple 2020 picks in a 2nd failed attempt to fix the DE position. And ultimately had to burn 2 additional first round picks (Adams), Bradley McDougald and a 5th round pick (Diggs) in addition to the 2019 2nd to adequately address the safety position.

    If you factor in that we also 'traded' Frank Clark, another third round pick and Jacob Martin (Clowney) to get that lousy result -- it's even worse.

    It's the grossest example of drafting for need and why it's ridiculously stupid. It's almost guaranteed to result in not only not solving (as opposed to addressing) need, but also inviting roster decay by not preemptively solving short/medium term needs just around the corner.

    Solving != addressing. Addressing may as well be answering "C" to every question on a test. And all one needs to do to evaluate that draft, is to consider the massive/costly moves made in the 12 months since that draft at those positions to see how Pete/John considered it.

    DK saved that draft sort of. Much like Damian Lewis will save this one. Just like Will Dissly and Jacob Martn saved the 2018 draft.


    While I agree that the draft didn't immediately fill some pretty large roster holes, I'm not sure I can call it call it crappy.

    Collier is coming along in his first healthy action, Blair was really blossoming in his nickel role before his unfortunate injury, and DK Metcalf is going to be a star for years to come. Ugo Amadi is also playing very well. Homer is a decent third down back in our new look pass-centric offense, and BBK has been a decent special teamer. Cody Barton is a role player who has been improving, but his play has been ridiculously polarizing. Some are raving, some are very down. Personally, I think he's showing a lot of promise in coverage.

    To me, this draft is actually looking a lot better this year than it was last year.
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Re: John Schneider
Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:05 am
  • 7 of the 10 players are contributors on the team. DK could be a once in a generation game-changing talent, that alone changes the entire dynamic of the draft.
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Re: John Schneider
Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:13 am
  • About half of the draft class is starting or contributing in one way or another (that includes Blair who looked great before having to go on IR). I can’t call that a failure.
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Re: John Schneider
Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:29 pm
  • John traded UP and drafted Metcalf, who is at least a probowler at this point, might even receive all pro consideration. heck, if he keeps on playing the way he has been for 12 years? He will be a hall of famer

    How often GM drafts a HOF?

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