Yxes1122 wrote:Attyla, you say that EDGE group is really thin this year, but I think they are thin in the instant contributor category. I actually think this class has some really interesting prospects that could contribute in year two or three.
Any thoughts on Greenard, Yetur Gross-Matos, Anfernee Jennings, Curtis Weaver, Uche, Terrell Lewis?
There are also some interesting late round underclassmen ala Kwity Paye and Quincy Roche that could be contributors.
This class definitely doesn't have the star power of last year, but I do think there's maybe more talent than people are giving it credit for.
Well, I would say that I don't see any in that group to be the caliber of player that Frank Clark was coming out.
It's possible one or more of those ends up developing over time. But isn't that kind of indistinguishable from LJ Collier? Guys that really should be picked at the end of the 2nd round? Honestly, a guy that takes 3 years to finally see the field is, in my opinion, typically a bad day 1 or 2 pick. Mostly because by year 4 (when you have to make a decision to sign for cash), you really don't know what you're going to get. Did the light really come on? Was that one good season an outlier? Was he playing for a payday? Basically, the pick is a bust if you aren't committed to resigning him. You can't burn a day 1 or 2 pick for a single season. Because by the nature of the high pick, you are guaranteed to be passing on players who CAN contribute in year one, and likely start by year two.
From a roster build standpoint, you want as many snaps as possible from your rookie contract guys. It allows for flexibility and retention of true impact players. Conceding half or more of that 4 year window is ruinous for teams to maintain excellence. And leads teams to make horrible UFA choices like having to sign the Luke Joeckels of the world for ridiculous sums to fill holes. Or to overdraft at positions of dire need.
Jonathan Greenard is not a good 2nd round choice. He started out as an OLB, and kind of grew to 260. Sounds like he'd be a good athlete. But he doesn't really show that. Testing will be vital for him, but good testing will kind of belie his tape. He's no Brian Burns. But he is productive. And he doesn't even have Collier's heft and handfighting ability. Kind of a tweener that isn't exactly fast. I wouldn't compare him favorably to Chris Wormley out of Michigan (2017 R3).
Josh Uche is a SAM. Not sure we're going to go that route. Has requisite 4.5 speed, but Seattle generally takes 4.4 (Kendricks/Wagner). Even Bruce Irvin had a 4.51 with a great 10 yard split.
Uche doesn't have that twitch. Decent player, but kind of a Jordan Willis/Trey Hendrickson vibe to him. I don't see anything really special about him that one could point and say, "If he develops this trait to go along with X, he could make an impact".
Anfernee Jennings is kind of Collier 2.0. Not as heavy a guy. Powerfully built. Heavy hands. Little to no flexibility and bend. Very poor quickness and twitch. Stiff. R4 guy for me. Compares a bit unfavorably to Carl Lawson (2017 R4) out of Auburn.
Curtis Weaver is a thicker cat. Actually has good get off on the ball, both quick and low. With good strength/leverage and displays a solid anchor. Doesn't exhibit good flexibility or bend and generally concedes early wins via quickness. He does display the "X" ability that if he can convert speed to power and make the corner -- he could be something. But that is a HUGE if. RIght now he's just a guy that will get off quickly and be easily nullified and pushed 10 yards past the pocket. Also concerning considering strength of competition for him at BSU.
Terrell Lewis is another intriguing guy for me. Injury history aside, he has a frenetic/violent manner in which he rushes the passer. Good testing would be helpful, as he's not known for elite athleticism. High effort, and seems to use a LOT of different styles to rush the passer. But doesn't seem to really know or recognize what to use/when. Technique is all over the map.
I think of him as kind of a Randy Johnson circa Expos of pass rushers. Has some talent. Flashes plenty. But also just gets destroyed easily. Has a pretty good toolbox, with no idea when to use them. If he hits the learning curve hard -- he could be a good pass rusher with ability for counter moves by end of year two. I like him at end of R2.
Yetur-Matos, I see akin to Takk McKinley. He's a long limbed guy with great athleticism. Needs strength. Also appears visibly slow in processing what's going on in front of him, or how to attack someone. Plays reactionary and slow. Tools are there. But seems like he's still just kind of winning with athleticism. Good effort. If light comes on, he would be closer to Calais Campbell than McKinley. Big upside, but also pretty substantial bust potential.
If it's me, I'm passing on these guys. There is so much talent at other positions. I'd be taking two WRs over any of these guys, because you're going to be getting Tyler Lockett type prospects even midway through the third round. Guys that are going to be factoring in by this time next year. Players who will allow for us to transition from Lockett when he hits 30 in 2021.
Also should be OTs to be had that should compete day one favorably. Taking these guys early is classic fighting the board mentality. But if some slip to R4, it's probably worth taking a shot.