Come on guys this is a really good LB we just got. 6ft 240 MLB that has speed and aggression this is one of the best LB's available.

Don't get why not Queen if we were going there, but Ive been wrong before and I would love to be wrong again. Welcome, Jordyn...

It’s not that he won’t be good, but we probably could have taken him in round 2. Queen was ranked a lot higher, but was undersized. Would have preferred Epenesa, Gross Matos, or Blacklock

It’s not a sexy pick like WR, so naturally fans will be upset. That said, I HATE hearing the experts every damn year say “I had him going lower.”


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We must not have had a trade partner. I wish GB would have traded with us. Probably would have with the previous regime

Anybody notice our comments for our drafts are always the same, its kinda funny. Why didnt we draft, @#$%, he was right there? He's a good player but we could have had him in X rounds.

Its like a template, we just swap names every year.

Almost every DE that was projected to be available was there and it’s a huge need. Even if this guy ends up being great, if we could have moved into the middle of round 2 and still got him, it’s a terrible pick. But you have to find a trade partner

twisted_steel2 wrote:Anybody notice our comments for our drafts are always the same, its kinda funny. Why didnt we draft, @#$%, he was right there? He's a good player but we could have had him in X rounds.

Its like a template, we just swap names every year.

Doesn't mean the fans were wrong.

Baltimore can send a thank you to Seattle. They get Queen

Ok. Lets report back. gross matos and epinese........put a pin in it.

20 tackles for loss last year by him

20!!!!!

NE gets #37 and #71 in there trade. I can pretty much guarantee we could have got this guy in the early second round, paid him less and picked up a third rounder. Snyder always trades down. He must not have found a partner. I’m curious what GB gave up to move up.

Attitude, toughness and football intelligence. Welcome JB. Looking forward to watching you play. I have a feeling they love this guy.

He was the second linebacker taken in the entire draft. Anytime you get the second guy in his position in the entire draft he needs to be a solid contributor and I believe the sky will be.

Here's a combine profile:

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jordan-br ... b174b58eaf

vonstout wrote:NE gets #37 and #71 in there trade. I can pretty much guarantee we could have got this guy in the early second round, paid him less and picked up a third rounder. ...

Which teams do you think the Hawks might have done this deal with?

The only non-surprising things are that I havent heard of the guy and he was not in first round speculations.

It isn't just the fans here second guessing this pick. Most people had him as 2nd rd at best and there were even some who had him 3rd and even 4th rd.

Doesn't mean that he isn't good or that he won't be very good but the consensus was that he wouldn't go that high. Hope he doesn't turn out like most of our 1st rd picks.

https://247sports.com/college/texas-tec ... 146380841/

CBS had him going 28th.

A few Packers guys (4/60) had him going 30th.

Brooks was gonna go soon. He rose bigtime late in the process. A bunch of people had him going in the range.

I'm doubling down on the belief that he was Cincy's target at 33.

Maelstrom787 wrote:https://247sports.com/college/texas-tech/Article/Texas-Tech-Red-Raiders-football-Jordyn-Brooks-NFL-Draft-146380841/

CBS had him going 28th.

A few Packers guys (4/60) had him going 30th.

Brooks was gonna go soon. He rose bigtime late in the process. A bunch of people had him going in the range.

I'm doubling down on the belief that he was Cincy's target at 33.

I have no problem reaching for a postion of need but LB was hardly that. They must love the kid though because this was clearly a BPA pick.

Last first rounder we got from Texas was pretty good.....

I dunno...after seeing the LB situation last year, it's a pretty evident need.

The pick is growing on me. Fans may have wanted a DE, but I don't think there's much of a drop off between Gross-Matos, Epenesa, and some other DEs. They'll still be able to get a decent edge rusher in the 2nd round or later.

Big12 is all about offense. Was Brooks a standout playing defense in that conference? Appears our staff thought so, and that Wags and KJ needed the support more than our pass rush. I happy about the addition of Irvin and Makowi (SP?) but I'm not convinced about Brooks/BPA theory.
Whatever, now that he's a Seahawk I hope he turns out to be All World good.

Given the weak tackling of the OLBs last season I suspect the team hasn’t got that much faith in Barton ot Burr-Kirven and Kendricks had a late ACL tear so he’s out and not re-signed. Finally unfortunately KJ Wright is very close to being done and in his last season under contract. This is a need position, the rest of the depth is not of potential staring quality. This player has ability and has a high upside.

I suspect the team wanted to trade back to the early 2nd but the trades were not able to be made. As ever the team has their own value for players and we are usually relying on values from the conventional draft sources.

I want to see him play.

I looked this up, Wells:
2011 Utah State (QB/RC)
2012 Utah State (OC/QB)
2013–2018 Utah State

Bobby was at Utah St from 08 - 11. So he didn't personally coach Bobby's position, but he obviously knows him, probably talked him up to the PC/JS. There's some similarities there too, as far as measurables.

jammerhawk wrote:Given the weak tackling of the OLBs last season I suspect the team hasn’t got that much faith in Barton ot Burr-Kirven and Kendricks had a late ACL tear so he’s out and not re-signed. Finally unfortunately KJ Wright is very close to being done and in his last season under contract. This is a need position, the rest of the depth is not of potential staring quality. This player has ability and has a high upside.

I suspect the team wanted to trade back to the early 2nd but the trades were not able to be made. As ever the team has their own value for players and we are usually relying on values from the conventional draft sources.

I want to see him play.

Your suspicion was confirmed by John Schneider in the presser. Stated they had a trade set up that fell through. Specifically mentioned Green Bay, said they got a better deal to go to 26 and it was a bit surprising.

Think this pick - and I think Brooks will be a long time staple Seahawk - is a pick you make for a player who can contribute early with minimal offseason.

vonstout wrote:Baltimore can send a thank you to Seattle. They get Queen

Queen had the luxury of playing on a D with a bunch of nfl guys. Brooks was on a D without a single guy on the DL, who would break into the 2 deep at LSU. And he still made plays.

vonstout wrote:Almost every DE that was projected to be available was there and it’s a huge need. Even if this guy ends up being great, if we could have moved into the middle of round 2 and still got him, it’s a terrible pick. But you have to find a trade partner

Yes all thise DE were there and none of the othervteams were taking them either. The Edge class was Chase Young, huge gap, Klavin who is raw as heck abd then another huge gap. Taking zny of those DE would have been a equivalent reach.

Maelstrom787 wrote:

jammerhawk wrote:Given the weak tackling of the OLBs last season I suspect the team hasn’t got that much faith in Barton ot Burr-Kirven and Kendricks had a late ACL tear so he’s out and not re-signed. Finally unfortunately KJ Wright is very close to being done and in his last season under contract. This is a need position, the rest of the depth is not of potential staring quality. This player has ability and has a high upside.

I suspect the team wanted to trade back to the early 2nd but the trades were not able to be made. As ever the team has their own value for players and we are usually relying on values from the conventional draft sources.

I want to see him play.

Your suspicion was confirmed by John Schneider in the presser. Stated they had a trade set up that fell through. Specifically mentioned Green Bay, said they got a better deal to go to 26 and it was a bit surprising.

As well had another trade that just didnt materialize.

I’ve seen several mocks where he’s taken at 38 by the Panthers. They mustn’t have been able to trade with anybody before 38 or must’ve felt that Carolina could potentially trade up and steal them had they traded down some.... they also must feel he fits a bigger hole than Epenesa or Gross-Matos, or Okwara at 27 and that one of them may be available at #59

Not sure, but the way KJ and Kendricks played last year (slow) tells me Pete just found their replacement. Might also mean Pete’s still going to stay base 4-3 more times than not.

fav13259 wrote:I’ve seen several mocks where he’s taken at 38 by the Panthers. They mustn’t have been able to trade with anybody before 38 or must’ve felt that Carolina could potentially trade up and steal them had they traded down some.... they also must feel he fits a bigger hole than Epenesa or Gross-Matos, or Okwara at 27 and that one of them may be available at #59

Not sure, but the way KJ and Kendricks played last year (slow) tells me Pete just found their replacement. Might also mean Pete’s still going to stay base 4-3 more times than not.

The defense looked very slow at times last year. Best example was the second Rams game where they looked painfully slow. They get a ton of speed with Brooks. Agree that the pick makes a lot of sense if they're going to be sticking with the 4-3 base on most snaps.

Our linebackers have gotten slower and older by the year. This is what we needed, a THUMPER, as Chucka Knox would say. I don't claim any special insight to PC/JS thinking, other than that Pete LOVES to have speedy linebackers and we became an average/slow group the last few years.

I love the BPA pick and clearly the Hawks rated Brooks above Queen, and as was pointed out, Queen had the rest of the LSU NFL-level talent around him, while Brooks had to make plays without that support.

Yep, absolute agreement with Olyfan.

It was hard to watch some of the LB play last year. It was harder to admit what it meant going forward.

twisted_steel2 wrote:Anybody notice our comments for our drafts are always the same, its kinda funny. Why didnt we draft, @#$%, he was right there? He's a good player but we could have had him in X rounds.

Its like a template, we just swap names every year.

Yep. Fantasy Football and Madden makes everyone think they are a top notch talent evaluator.
Some take it personal that Seattle didn’t take the player they “mocked” in their mock draft.

olyfan63 wrote:Our linebackers have gotten slower and older by the year. This is what we needed, a THUMPER, as Chucka Knox would say. I don't claim any special insight to PC/JS thinking, other than that Pete LOVES to have speedy linebackers and we became an average/slow group the last few years.

I love the BPA pick and clearly the Hawks rated Brooks above Queen, and as was pointed out, Queen had the rest of the LSU NFL-level talent around him, while Brooks had to make plays without that support.

Good points.

Read a lot of evaluations on him late last night. Supposedly one of the best tacklers in the draft and has speed, but is weak in coverage skills. That's a huge problem if he doesn't improve in that area. Still think Queen would have been the better pick. Baltimore continues to be one of the top drafting front offices and took him with the next pick. Let's hope his coverage skills are good enough to be a 3 down player. Otherwise, it was a bad pick IMO.

Jason La Canfora (Baltimore based) tweeted Ravens were high on Murray, Brooks, and Queen.

Ken Weinman (Baltimore sport radio) tweeted he thinks Queen was third on Ravens LB board after Murray and Brooks).

So, if Seattle didn't pick him there, Baltimore very well would have picked Brooks in the next pick.

Again, this may end up being a good pick, but it was too early. The top offenses throw the ball more than run.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/04/2020-n ... inebackers

This is just one position ranking, but all the top rated guys are coverage guys.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/04/2020-n ... inebackers

In a defense that relies heavily on linebackers to cover.. this isn't it.. he can't cover a jar of jelly.

#1 it wasn't a reach
#2 Our LB play last year was abysmal and the main reason we were awful against the run
#3 We needed to add team speed BADLY, we got beat on the edge a million times.
#4 we needed to improve tackling. How painful was it last year watching all those missed tackles?
#5 the hawks obviously had him rated higher than Queen and a lot of other guys that were available.


This guys addresses all those issues we saw. this guy is legit and will be starting.

Chukarhawk wrote:#1 it wasn't a reach
#2 Our LB play last year was abysmal and the main reason we were awful against the run
#3 We needed to add team speed BADLY, we got beat on the edge a million times.
#4 we needed to improve tackling. How painful was it last year watching all those missed tackles?
#5 the hawks obviously had him rated higher than Queen and a lot of other guys that were available.


This guys addresses all those issues we saw. this guy is legit and will be starting.

Hard to disagree with any of this

chris98251 wrote:Last first rounder we got from Texas was pretty good.....

Germain Ifedi??

Seriously though, I could see some very good things coming from this pick. I also was hoping for an edge rusher, but we spent a top draft pick on D-line last year. You never know how these guys are going to pan out.

I wonder if part of the thought was getting someone who could counter the likes of Lamar Jackson?

The only logic I can come up with for the pick is this:
If PCJS wanted to come out of the first 2 rounds with DE, DT and LB, it's possible they knew that there were more DE and DT options available at the end of the second round than there would be LB's. There are still a few good Edge guys left that are projected around our picks. There are still several DT's that will be available. But, the drop off at LB is considerable.
So now they focus on DL to come away with 3 guys they like instead of waiting until the second on an LB that they don't like. We can still come out of this with one of Okwara, Uche, Anae, YGM and one of R Davis, Madabuike, Hamilton, etc.
I'm hoping it all makes sense in the end.

My take is that PC/JS felt Brooks would become a quality starter, high snap-count guy quickly, along with filling a need.

Last year, they reached a bit to get a DL/Edge who turned out to need more development time than they projected. Last year's pick had so little impact I can't even remember his name right now. He was from a Texas school I think, but can't recall which one. OK, LJ Collier. The name came to me.

Also, getting a young guy like Jordyn Brooks ensures that his development is under the tutelage and mentorship of The Great Bobby Wagner and The Great KJ Wright, tenured full professors at Seahawks Linebackers U. Yes, KJ is Great, as great as Bobby, in the mental aspects of the game, just not quite as physically gifted/speedy as Bobby. Bobby should make the HOF while KJ is one of those guys that was consistently very good but only made the Pro Bowl a couple times or so.

Love the pick, and I think others will too. Yes, he'll make mistakes in coverage, but KJ and Bobby will help him get on the right track quickly.

Could have taken Matos at 27, Baun at 59 if Brooks was gone, and Okwara At 64.

vonstout wrote:Could have taken Matos at 27, Baun at 59 if Brooks was gone, and Okwara At 64.

That


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And time will tell that JS took the correct player. I understand the initial reaction, "Who is this guy?!@?!" Well, the people who have devoted their life to studying College Football Players, and have been very successful at it , know who he is. Seattle, Baltimore, Chad Reuter, Mel Kiper...

Our run defense was abysmal last year! Then there's Kyler Murray, the human pinball. Jordyn will improve a huge weakness we had last year, tackling.

Mel Kiper on NFLN "I Had him going NO LATER THAN MID 2nd ROUND."

Per Dave Wyman, Baltimore was planning on taking him with the very next pick, but thankfully the trade fell through.

Finally, we get Bobby Wagner some help! What did we have last year? An aging Bobby Wagner, a gimpy KJ Wright, Kendricks who is now injured, and 2 rookies.

Chad Reuter:

Seattle Seahawks

Draft pick: Texas Tech LB Jordyn Brooks (No. 27 overall)

Day 1 grade and analysis: B

Seattle made a pick at its original draft slot for the first time since 2012, selecting an excellent football player in Brooks at No. 27 overall. A shoulder injury that required surgery in December might have contributed to him falling off the radar a bit. Brooks' career will be compared with that of LSU star Patrick Queen, whom the Ravens selected with the very next pick. The Seahawks could have used an offensive tackle like Joshua Jones or a defensive lineman like Ross Blacklock, but I really like Brooks as an explosive, heady defensive leader.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... l-32-teams

This Brooks pick is great. He would thrive in the Hawks 43-over in both OLB positions, He would need some help as the SAM in the 4-3 under with Move TE's. He played 3 years at OLB at TT and was a good cover back. Don't let lazy Draft writers sell you that he is not good. He was just not asked to do much of it his senior year. He mostly spied.

Look up Brian Baldwins Draft twitter of Brooks from April 9th with no sound. Then look up Baldy's breakdown of Wagner with no sound.

This kid has the make up to be a good SAM in pete's 4-3 under, a great SAM in Pete's 4-3 over, would excel like KJ as a Will in both sets, and could very easily look like Bobby in the Middle for both.

Queen, would look decent as a bandit nickle in pete's D. Other than that he doesn't fit the D at all.