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  • I know everyone is discussing Schotty's replacement and Pete pointing to fixing the run game (again) but been thinking about how poor the offense was and a dominant TE over the middle would have been so important to beating those 2 deep safety looks. A guy like Kelce (obviously hard to come by) who can eat you alive if you leave him in single coverage across the middle doesn't let both safeties sit back all game. Teams HAVE to account for him on the short drags, outs, slants, etc and cannot simply let a LB stay in single coverage. Safeties are forced to drop down and help or else he's eating up 8-12 yards a play.

    They had what, 5 TE's on the roster in the playoffs? I think 6 at one point midseason. They got almost nothing out of any of them with some pretty significant $$$ invested. Running the ball to force one of the safties up will certainly help but getting a guy who can dominate the middle of the field consistently when the team gets in a rut is hugely important. Russ really didn't have a safety valve this year and they didn't have a plan to go get 5 yards consistently when needed. Maybe Dissly can become that guy but whether scheme or playcall or just not being open, TE's were terribly underused.

    I know Zach Ertz is getting up there in age but it sounds like he's probably a cap casualty in Philly.
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  • You could take gronkowski, blow him up to the size of a dinosaur, and our coaches still wouldn’t know how to use him
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  • They should just find a TE to do what Kittle does.
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  • hoxrox wrote:They should just find a TE to do what Kittle does.


    Simple.

    While we're at it, let's just fill every position with someone who is the best in the league.

    Championship.
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  • Seanhawk wrote:
    hoxrox wrote:They should just find a TE to do what Kittle does.


    Simple.

    While we're at it, let's just fill every position with someone who is the best in the league.

    Championship.


    Lol the point is our TEs were not well utilized. Kittle does everything in that offense, and they should study what he does.

    Pete did mention that Parkinson could become a very good pass catching TE... will see.
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  • Too many on the payroll to start with !
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  • Maybe get Jimmy Graham back to block for us again.
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  • rcaido wrote:Maybe get Jimmy Graham back to block for us again.


    Think Russ was missing more of a Zach Miller type than a JG type. A reliable pass catcher on 3rd downs. That should have been Olsen, but wasn't.
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  • hoxrox wrote:
    Seanhawk wrote:
    hoxrox wrote:They should just find a TE to do what Kittle does.


    Simple.

    While we're at it, let's just fill every position with someone who is the best in the league.

    Championship.


    Lol the point is our TEs were not well utilized. Kittle does everything in that offense, and they should study what he does.

    Pete did mention that Parkinson could become a very good pass catching TE... will see.


    If indeed Pete has not already studied Kittle at length and developed a firm grasp of how he is used we have a bigger problem than I have imagined.
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  • We used graham perfect the last yr he was here. He set records for us as a TE.
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  • I'd settle for a tight end that can consistently win one-on-one blocks.
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  • Cry me a river. How many times can that BS excuse be used. Jimmy Graham was criticized because he couldn't block list goes on and on with TE's.
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  • Shanegotyou11 wrote:We used graham perfect the last yr he was here. He set records for us as a TE.


    Before that rest of his time here Jimmy Graham wasn't used correctly and everyone made him a whipping boy because he couldn't block.
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  • Remember when we all thought Dissly was going to be good if he could just stay healthy? In 2020 he stayed healthy...
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  • hoxrox wrote:
    Seanhawk wrote:
    hoxrox wrote:They should just find a TE to do what Kittle does.


    Simple.

    While we're at it, let's just fill every position with someone who is the best in the league.

    Championship.


    Lol the point is our TEs were not well utilized. Kittle does everything in that offense, and they should study what he does.

    Pete did mention that Parkinson could become a very good pass catching TE... will see.

    What the heck happened with Parkinson anyway? It didn’t seem they gave him much of a chance at all to play. I know he was hurt for a lot of the year, but after coming back I felt he was basically never on the field.
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  • Seriously, this seaon's group of tight ends seemed to be pretty good at blocking, getting open, and catching passes. But for some reason this skill set didn't seem to be sufficiently recognized by the offensive coodinator and/or the quarterback. Hopefully this will be addressed going forward.
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  • Figures, the season in which Will Dissly was available, he & the rest of the TE's are barely used.

    TE's seems to be a dying breed, like RB's, sucks because those are my 2 favorite positions on offense, I love the physicality a great TE/RB can bring.

    Hopefully, a new OC will put more focus on TE's.
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  • Shanegotyou11 wrote:We used graham perfect the last yr he was here. He set records for us as a TE.


    That was a very low bar
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  • Deep ball does not equate to TE passes, or RB's in the flat, or slot receivers in underneath routes.
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  • hoxrox wrote:
    Seanhawk wrote:
    hoxrox wrote:They should just find a TE to do what Kittle does.


    Simple.

    While we're at it, let's just fill every position with someone who is the best in the league.

    Championship.


    Lol the point is our TEs were not well utilized. Kittle does everything in that offense, and they should study what he does.

    Pete did mention that Parkinson could become a very good pass catching TE... will see.


    Again, studying what Kittle does is one thing. Finding a potentially generational talent to do it is another.
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  • Our TEs had two huge drops vs. the Rams. One for Hollister, one by Dissly, IIRC, and both likely first downs. Uncharacteristic.

    Catch those two, and then one more, and it's an OK-serviceable game by our TEs. Russell had a number of 3rd down conversions to TEs during the season, and yes, to Greg Olsen when healthy.

    New OC coming, and decent talent in our TE room. I will be cautiously optimistic.
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  • We had Colby parkinson who is 6 ft 7 and 25 pounds! How do you NOT use him? Use Dissly for blocking and Colby parkinson for receiving.
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  • Tinamedina wrote:We had Colby parkinson who is 6 ft 7 and 25 pounds! How do you NOT use him? Use Dissly for blocking and Colby parkinson for receiving.


    Tall automatically equals good
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  • Maelstrom787 wrote:
    Tinamedina wrote:We had Colby parkinson who is 6 ft 7 and 25 pounds! How do you NOT use him? Use Dissly for blocking and Colby parkinson for receiving.


    Tall automatically equals good


    In Colbys case yes, someone that yall is a threat anywhere on the field. Ain't a single soul gonna be able to guard a 6 ft 7 250 pound TE. Pete Carroll should know this already. Not to mention he can be used for blocking.
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  • Tinamedina wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    Tinamedina wrote:We had Colby parkinson who is 6 ft 7 and 25 pounds! How do you NOT use him? Use Dissly for blocking and Colby parkinson for receiving.


    Tall automatically equals good


    In Colbys case yes, someone that yall is a threat anywhere on the field. Ain't a single soul gonna be able to guard a 6 ft 7 250 pound TE. Pete Carroll should know this already. Not to mention he can be used for blocking.


    Ah, yes, that is why height is the primary attribute everyone looks for in a tight end. Tall guys can automatically be used anywhere.

    Luke Willson is 6'5" 1/2. Greg Olsen is closer to 6'6". An inch to 1.5 inches does not make a gamebreaking tight end. That's not, and has never been, how it works.

    A midround tight end taking over the Jacob Hollister role would be unlikely to make a massive difference, and you have no information to the contrary to lean on other than Parkinson being like an inch taller than Olsen and Willson.
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  • Maelstrom787 wrote:
    Tinamedina wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    Tinamedina wrote:We had Colby parkinson who is 6 ft 7 and 25 pounds! How do you NOT use him? Use Dissly for blocking and Colby parkinson for receiving.


    Tall automatically equals good


    In Colbys case yes, someone that yall is a threat anywhere on the field. Ain't a single soul gonna be able to guard a 6 ft 7 250 pound TE. Pete Carroll should know this already. Not to mention he can be used for blocking.


    Ah, yes, that is why height is the primary attribute everyone looks for in a tight end. Tall guys can automatically be used anywhere.

    Luke Willson is 6'5" 1/2. Greg Olsen is closer to 6'6". An inch to 1.5 inches does not make a gamebreaking tight end. That's not, and has never been, how it works.

    A midround tight end taking over the Jacob Hollister role would be unlikely to make a massive difference, and you have no information to the contrary to lean on other than Parkinson being like an inch taller than Olsen and Willson.



    Luke wilson has not been used by pete carroll, thats petes fault.

    greg olsen is 36 and always injured, and pete carroll thought that was worth 7 million dollars.

    meanwhile he has a healthy, young receiving TE who is 6 ft 7 and 250 pounds just sitting on the sideline.

    btw, colby parkinson was the answer to russell wilson throwing the ball over the middle. and let Hollister go deep.

    we CAN play both, that is an option.


    but hey, #peteball am i right?
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  • Tinamedina wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    Tinamedina wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    Tall automatically equals good


    In Colbys case yes, someone that yall is a threat anywhere on the field. Ain't a single soul gonna be able to guard a 6 ft 7 250 pound TE. Pete Carroll should know this already. Not to mention he can be used for blocking.


    Ah, yes, that is why height is the primary attribute everyone looks for in a tight end. Tall guys can automatically be used anywhere.

    Luke Willson is 6'5" 1/2. Greg Olsen is closer to 6'6". An inch to 1.5 inches does not make a gamebreaking tight end. That's not, and has never been, how it works.

    A midround tight end taking over the Jacob Hollister role would be unlikely to make a massive difference, and you have no information to the contrary to lean on other than Parkinson being like an inch taller than Olsen and Willson.



    Luke wilson has not been used by pete carroll, thats petes fault.

    greg olsen is 36 and always injured, and pete carroll thought that was worth 7 million dollars.

    meanwhile he has a healthy, young receiving TE who is 6 ft 7 and 250 pounds just sitting on the sideline.

    btw, colby parkinson was the answer to russell wilson throwing the ball over the middle. and let Hollister go deep.

    we CAN play both, that is an option.


    but hey, #peteball am i right?


    That's not what Peteball means. You keep hashtagging the term, but that's not what it means. At all.

    Peteball refers to a style of play predicated on attempting to win the time of possession battle via the rushing game, including a tendency to start slow. It can also be used to describe the Air Coryell style passing attack that its generally paired with.

    Colby Parkinson is not the answer to Russ throwing over the middle. Russ already has open options that he generally looks off. This is shown over and over and over on the all-22.
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  • Maelstrom787 wrote:
    Tinamedina wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    Tinamedina wrote:
    In Colbys case yes, someone that yall is a threat anywhere on the field. Ain't a single soul gonna be able to guard a 6 ft 7 250 pound TE. Pete Carroll should know this already. Not to mention he can be used for blocking.


    Ah, yes, that is why height is the primary attribute everyone looks for in a tight end. Tall guys can automatically be used anywhere.

    Luke Willson is 6'5" 1/2. Greg Olsen is closer to 6'6". An inch to 1.5 inches does not make a gamebreaking tight end. That's not, and has never been, how it works.

    A midround tight end taking over the Jacob Hollister role would be unlikely to make a massive difference, and you have no information to the contrary to lean on other than Parkinson being like an inch taller than Olsen and Willson.



    Luke wilson has not been used by pete carroll, thats petes fault.

    greg olsen is 36 and always injured, and pete carroll thought that was worth 7 million dollars.

    meanwhile he has a healthy, young receiving TE who is 6 ft 7 and 250 pounds just sitting on the sideline.

    btw, colby parkinson was the answer to russell wilson throwing the ball over the middle. and let Hollister go deep.

    we CAN play both, that is an option.


    but hey, #peteball am i right?


    That's not what Peteball means. You keep hashtagging the term, but that's not what it means. At all.

    Peteball refers to a style of play predicated on attempting to win the time of possession battle via the rushing game, including a tendency to start slow. It can also be used to describe the Air Coryell style passing attack that its generally paired with.

    Colby Parkinson is not the answer to Russ throwing over the middle. Russ already has open options that he generally looks off. This is shown over and over and over on the all-22.


    which doesnt work at all, which is why they get knocked out in the first round. only reason they win regular season games is cause of russell wilson lol.
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  • Tinamedina wrote:We had Colby parkinson who is 6 ft 7 and 25 pounds! How do you NOT use him? Use Dissly for blocking and Colby parkinson for receiving.


    6'7 and 25 pds....dang! No wonder he didn't get playing time. I thought I was thin but wow! :D
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  • I do feel like the TEs were seriously underutilized this season both in the run AND pass-lets hope the new OC can be more dynamic with them-especially if their going to hold 5 of them on the active roster.
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  • I believe it all comes down to formations ! Mix things up a little, run a I formation on first downs and run a play action pass 1 out of 8 times, just enough too keep them on their heels.

    Effective management of this will leave LBers sucked up to the line of scrimmage and our TE running freely up the seem.

    A two back sets will give russ a extra pass blocker and still giving him a out let receiver.
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  • TEs are great weapons over the middle. Russ ignored the TEs there this year.

    Watch film of 2 TEs running 7 yard hitches and Russ just electing not to throw it.

    Graham was great the final year here but we skewed the offense like crazy before that to get him the ball and it caused issues.

    I actually think the mid level TEs that the defenses don’t bracket are a good fit for Russ, if he’d use them.

    He has enough weapons in the passing game. We can’t sink a ton of money at the TE position to go with paying Lockett and eventually DK. The “just one more high end player” approach to roster building can’t work.

    Take that money and spend it on OL starters or depth if we’re looking for something that will help us game in and game out. Or on DL for that matter. Anywhere but TE
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  • The UW Huskies use their TE mostly Otton better than anyone else this year. The Seahawks should take a page out of their playbook and do the same. While the Huskies need to take a page out of Seahawks book and learn to throw to WRs.
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