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  • AgentDib wrote:As others have said, there is zero chance that Schneider talked to John Clayton and told him that the minimum is three first round picks. This is either being misreported by Clayton, or more likely exaggerated by the forum member here. I'm sure there have been discussions (due diligence) but I doubt Schneider talks to Clayton period, let alone to divulge specific details about ongoing trade talks.

    Moreover, while I'm sure teams have called to ask about Russ and there have been talks, they would be specific to each team. "Three first round picks" is a completely meaningless statement in the NFL where the Dolphins #2 overall pick is worth 2600 points and the Saints first round pick is worth 660 points. The cap implications of trading Russ along with his no trade clause make it an unlikely proposition that would require a very precise sort of trade, FAR more complicated than just "X first round picks please".

    I have yet to see somebody propose a hypothetical trade with Russ that would be agreeable to all three parties involved. In the Miami example in this thread I see no reason why Russ would accept a trade to Miami after they traded us their best resources.


    I agree Schneider said nothing! But the news is even better because teams believe it will cost at least 3 round picks, what if teams believed RW is worth 2 round 1 picks? Teams are calling when the price is high that’s good news!

    It’s a complicated situation!
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  • TwistedHusky wrote:I hope you are right but it isn't being 'exaggerated by a forum member here'. It is on every sports talk show today. All talking about how the cost for Wilson is essentially 3 firsts.

    There is an immense difference between speculating that a trade for Wilson would require at least three first round picks, and reporting that John Schneider told you personally that he is looking for three first round picks. Neither one makes sense on a conceptual level, but speculation is the kind of thing that keep the presses churning every NFL off-season.
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  • AgentDib wrote:
    TwistedHusky wrote:I hope you are right but it isn't being 'exaggerated by a forum member here'. It is on every sports talk show today. All talking about how the cost for Wilson is essentially 3 firsts.

    There is an immense difference between speculating that a trade for Wilson would require at least three first round picks, and reporting that John Schneider told you personally that he is looking for three first round picks. Neither one makes sense on a conceptual level, but speculation is the kind of thing that keep the presses churning every NFL off-season.


    The report said teams think the bidding war starts at 3 round 1picks! They buyers are speculating & calling that’s what we know. As far as the sellers they have said nothing but are listening & giving no responses. High end deal making by Pro’s! Pro’s are difficult to get to the negotiating table & will get up from the negotiating table & walk away!

    It’s a sellers Market for RW and the buyers are open to spending big, that’s terrific news for the Seahawk Organization, especially when RW is coming off a terrible playoff performance & no longer has his Houdini pass rush avoidance skills.
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  • I highly doubt a trade is happening this offseason. It's not outside of the realm of possibilities, but it is unlikely to happen for many different reasons. There are too many moving pieces that need to be brought together.

    Wilson's cap hit is a huge issue. I think any discussion about moving him has to include a restructure of sorts. Wilson would really have to want out for this to work. The cap hit is too high for just trading him as is.

    The second problem is Russell controls where he goes. You can't just call up random teams like the Jets or Jags and expect Wilson to be okay with that. Whether they want to trade him or not, Russ controls his own destiny. This means your chances of getting a Lawrence or Wilson, or other top QB in the draft class goes down significantly. Without Wilson that means we're potentially stuck with Geno Smith as the starter depending on when the theoretical trade happens. I think that Carroll is smart enough to know that this would destroy his legacy.

    Any trade involving Wilson I believe will take place in 2022. He is clearly not happy with the course of things here in Seattle. I believe he is going to wait around to see how things shake up this season, if the pieces don't fall in the right places, he's setting things up to pull the nuclear option. If his voice falls on deaf ears, I think he is outta here next offseason.
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  • FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    AgentDib wrote:
    TwistedHusky wrote:I hope you are right but it isn't being 'exaggerated by a forum member here'. It is on every sports talk show today. All talking about how the cost for Wilson is essentially 3 firsts.

    There is an immense difference between speculating that a trade for Wilson would require at least three first round picks, and reporting that John Schneider told you personally that he is looking for three first round picks. Neither one makes sense on a conceptual level, but speculation is the kind of thing that keep the presses churning every NFL off-season.


    The report said teams think the bidding war starts at 3 round 1picks! They buyers are speculating & calling that’s what we know. As far as the sellers they have said nothing but are listening & giving no responses. High end deal making by Pro’s! Pro’s are difficult to get to the negotiating table & will get up from the negotiating table & walk away!

    It’s a sellers Market for RW and the buyers are open to spending big, that’s terrific news for the Seahawk Organization, especially when RW is coming off a terrible playoff performance & no longer has his Houdini pass rush avoidance skills.



    That because unlike you who seem to think Wilson sucks, the league knows otherwise. they know that 500+ yards means he still has his Houdini avoidance skills, It means they remember and saw what he could do when he was allowed to do.
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  • Spin Doctor wrote:I highly doubt a trade is happening this offseason. It's not outside of the realm of possibilities, but it is unlikely to happen for many different reasons. There are too many moving pieces that need to be brought together.

    Wilson's cap hit is a huge issue. I think any discussion about moving him has to include a restructure of sorts. Wilson would really have to want out for this to work. The cap hit is too high for just trading him as is.

    The second problem is Russell controls where he goes. You can't just call up random teams like the Jets or Jags and expect Wilson to be okay with that. Whether they want to trade him or not, Russ controls his own destiny. This means your chances of getting a Lawrence or Wilson, or other top QB in the draft class goes down significantly. Without Wilson that means we're potentially stuck with Geno Smith as the starter depending on when the theoretical trade happens. I think that Carroll is smart enough to know that this would destroy his legacy.

    Any trade involving Wilson I believe will take place in 2022. He is clearly not happy with the course of things here in Seattle. I believe he is going to wait around to see how things shake up this season, if the pieces don't fall in the right places, he's setting things up to pull the nuclear option. If his voice falls on deaf ears, I think he is outta here next offseason.


    The QB draft for 2022 isn’t good! There’s no way a deal gets done unless both Schneider & RW want it to happen! We already know RW is open to the possibilities coincidently RW opens his mouth when buyers have enough Capital in a strong QB draft! No such thing as Coincidences! Today we learn buyers are willing to spend big.

    The only thing we don’t know are Schneider’s opinions on the QB’s in the draft. I really do believe RW is eyeballing Miami, NY, & kinda not liking the idea of moving to Jacksonville. If Schneider & Carroll like the top 3 QB’s in the draft RW will be sun bathing in Miami this summer. 3 round 1 picks & 2 round 2 picks for RW or 4 Round 1 picks for RW!

    Seattle is absolutely the worst team to buy player from because they have consistently paid the most for players from other teams! This is a fact!
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  • John63 wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    AgentDib wrote:
    TwistedHusky wrote:I hope you are right but it isn't being 'exaggerated by a forum member here'. It is on every sports talk show today. All talking about how the cost for Wilson is essentially 3 firsts.

    There is an immense difference between speculating that a trade for Wilson would require at least three first round picks, and reporting that John Schneider told you personally that he is looking for three first round picks. Neither one makes sense on a conceptual level, but speculation is the kind of thing that keep the presses churning every NFL off-season.


    The report said teams think the bidding war starts at 3 round 1picks! They buyers are speculating & calling that’s what we know. As far as the sellers they have said nothing but are listening & giving no responses. High end deal making by Pro’s! Pro’s are difficult to get to the negotiating table & will get up from the negotiating table & walk away!

    It’s a sellers Market for RW and the buyers are open to spending big, that’s terrific news for the Seahawk Organization, especially when RW is coming off a terrible playoff performance & no longer has his Houdini pass rush avoidance skills.



    That because unlike you who seem to think Wilson sucks, the league knows otherwise. they know that 500+ yards means he still has his Houdini avoidance skills, It means they remember and saw what he could do when he was allowed to do.


    Yes I admit I want to trade RW but I’m not the one who is telling the world today NFL teams are willing to spend big for RW. Don’t forget it was RW who started all this activity not me!
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  • I'm curious why people are taking this so personally? Seriously? This is plain ridiculous. He's being made out to be a problem child. This guy has been a team player and leader his entire career.
    Again, he gets crap for being a "robot" or being "boring" the last 9 years. And now, he gets crap for voicing he wants better protection. Don't we ALL want him to have better protection back there??? He literally can't win with a large portion of this fanbase. And for the record, he flat out SAID he needs to get rid of the ball quicker.
    He didn't start any "activity"
    He was asked a question, he answered it. Nothing more. The media, yet again, is acting like he stabbed someone. And a lot of "fans" are wanting him traded. This is shockingly stupid to actually want the best QB this team has ever had, and a HUGE reason they win consistently......to actually be traded...…
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:I'm curious why people are taking this so personally? Seriously? This is plain ridiculous. He's being made out to be a problem child. This guy has been a team player and leader his entire career.
    Again, he gets crap for being a "robot" or being "boring" the last 9 years. And now, he gets crap for voicing he wants better protection. Don't we ALL want him to have better protection back there??? He literally can't win with a large portion of this fanbase. And for the record, he flat out SAID he needs to get rid of the ball quicker.
    He didn't start any "activity"
    He was asked a question, he answered it. Nothing more. The media, yet again, is acting like he stabbed someone. And a lot of "fans" are wanting him traded. This is shockingly stupid to actually want the best QB this team has ever had, and a HUGE reason they win consistently......to actually be traded...…


    I definitely over reacted after RW comments and after analyzing the situation I believe Russ, Pete, & John are open to a trade under the right circumstances.
    I want to trade RW under the right circumstances because I believe his best is behind him and I like the QB’s in this draft. If I’m wrong about RW or the QB’s in this draft then I would want RW to stay.

    RW stated it was up to Pete & John if he gets traded, RW deflected when everybody knows he has a “no trade clause”. RW decides if he gets traded!! He has equal power in that circumstance and said when he signed that contract that the “no trade clause” sealed the deal! RW gave the world a ridiculous answer to a very important question!
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  • Meh, not worth talking about anymore. I've said my peace. We all have our opinion.

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  • FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    John63 wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    AgentDib wrote:There is an immense difference between speculating that a trade for Wilson would require at least three first round picks, and reporting that John Schneider told you personally that he is looking for three first round picks. Neither one makes sense on a conceptual level, but speculation is the kind of thing that keep the presses churning every NFL off-season.


    The report said teams think the bidding war starts at 3 round 1picks! They buyers are speculating & calling that’s what we know. As far as the sellers they have said nothing but are listening & giving no responses. High end deal making by Pro’s! Pro’s are difficult to get to the negotiating table & will get up from the negotiating table & walk away!

    It’s a sellers Market for RW and the buyers are open to spending big, that’s terrific news for the Seahawk Organization, especially when RW is coming off a terrible playoff performance & no longer has his Houdini pass rush avoidance skills.



    That because unlike you who seem to think Wilson sucks, the league knows otherwise. they know that 500+ yards means he still has his Houdini avoidance skills, It means they remember and saw what he could do when he was allowed to do.


    Yes I admit I want to trade RW but I’m not the one who is telling the world today NFL teams are willing to spend big for RW. Don’t forget it was RW who started all this activity not me!


    Actually you don't know what stated this, for all you know he and PC had it out and this is the results. Also, no place did Wilson say he wants to be traded. Si he did not start anything, but asking for more say in things like any good Franchise QB should. That said notice no comment on you thinking Wilson sucks which is obvious given you incorrect statement about Houdini. The correct question should have been why is it he has had to be Houdini so much in his 9 years, Why is it in the 9 years they avg oline pass blocking ranking has been 26th. I will help you the answer is 2 letters PC.
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  • Woah. Am I the only person who thinks it is fun to speculate? Obviously, trading Russell would be a massive risk and one that I would never take. However, what's the harm in speculating? None of us have control over what happens.
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  • FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:I'm curious why people are taking this so personally? Seriously? This is plain ridiculous. He's being made out to be a problem child. This guy has been a team player and leader his entire career.
    Again, he gets crap for being a "robot" or being "boring" the last 9 years. And now, he gets crap for voicing he wants better protection. Don't we ALL want him to have better protection back there??? He literally can't win with a large portion of this fanbase. And for the record, he flat out SAID he needs to get rid of the ball quicker.
    He didn't start any "activity"
    He was asked a question, he answered it. Nothing more. The media, yet again, is acting like he stabbed someone. And a lot of "fans" are wanting him traded. This is shockingly stupid to actually want the best QB this team has ever had, and a HUGE reason they win consistently......to actually be traded...…


    I definitely over reacted after RW comments and after analyzing the situation I believe Russ, Pete, & John are open to a trade under the right circumstances.
    I want to trade RW under the right circumstances because I believe his best is behind him and I like the QB’s in this draft. If I’m wrong about RW or the QB’s in this draft then I would want RW to stay.

    RW stated it was up to Pete & John if he gets traded, RW deflected when everybody knows he has a “no trade clause”. RW decides if he gets traded!! He has equal power in that circumstance and said when he signed that contract that the “no trade clause” sealed the deal! RW gave the world a ridiculous answer to a very important question!


    Fans demand loyalty out of the athletes but give none. As to the rest if that what it takes to make you feel good about your post on the subject so be it. I mean PC never deflects does he...oh wait he does. Hmm what is the difference between Wilson and PC that makes it okay for PC to deflect and not Wilson, hmm well they are both Seahawks what could the difference be I wonder :sarcasm_off:

    Oh and maybe Wilson said it is up to them because if they said they wanted to trade him he would say okay, if they can find the right team. HMM Always 2 ways to take something and how you take shows your true intentions.
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  • I think fans need to understand that all players, no matter, who they are, has a price.

    This is 2021 and we have seen a former 6 time Super Champion, many consider, the Greatest of All-Time QB go to a different team and win a 7th ring.

    There is a precedent for QB leaving a team.

    I have no problems with teams calling about Russ and they probably have.

    Question is, why are you any of you here so upset about it?

    None of you can control how Russell feels and what his intentions are and what Seattle’s intentions are, including Jody Allen.

    Let’s see how it plays out. 3 first rounders are the minimum to move a player of Wilson’s caliber.

    Let’s see what happens before getting upset.
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  • I agree let’s see what happens! I’d be so stoked if we got 5 1st round picks for him or something equivalent!
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  • FresnoHawk68 wrote:I agree let’s see what happens! I’d be so stoked if we got 5 1st round picks for him or something equivalent!

    5 late 1sts lol

    The real boost in draft capital would be our own picks being top 10 from 2022 onward by drifting until the gutter.
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  • Started by Russel? For being a human and saying some quotes that most of you have literally eaten the media drivel on?

    God forbid expressing what you want for your career.. DERP
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  • If I lose confidence in the QB’s in this draft there’s no way I would support trading RW.
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  • pinksheets wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:I agree let’s see what happens! I’d be so stoked if we got 5 1st round picks for him or something equivalent!

    5 late 1sts lol

    The real boost in draft capital would be our own picks being top 10 from 2022 onward by drifting until the gutter.


    You will be right if the QB’s in this draft are overhyped.
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  • As others have pointed out, even the thought of 3 first round picks for Russ doesn’t excite me in the least. WHERE in the first round would we be getting these picks exactly? The teens? The 20s? Usually after the first few guys, there is a big drop off. That, coupled with our track record of first round selections, equals a big fat no thanks.


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  • 3 first-round picks, how many are top 5?

    Because the moment Wilson ends up on the other team, they are not going to be drafting high anymore.

    What blows my mind is that people think that Wilson, a player that is literally responsible for over half our wins, is worth essentially Jamal Adams and a 1st round draft pick.

    But that aside, unless there was a way to be sure it was 3 top 15 picks, why bother?

    People used the Patriots example, but while that worked out for Brady...it didn't really work out well for the Pats. And remember Bill is 2x-3x a better coach than Carroll. Even he struggles without a good QB.

    It might work out for Wilson. It would suck for us.
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  • I like Zach Wilson & Trevor Lawrence as possible draft targets in a RW trade. The other option is to trade Bobby Wagner then target a QB in round 2. Next year 2022 trade RW or wait till 2023!
    I like the round 2 QB’s a lot this year, the more I think about, it sure looks like this is the visible plausible plan being executed by Pete & John drafting Brooks last year.
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  • TwistedHusky wrote:3 first-round picks, how many are top 5?

    Because the moment Wilson ends up on the other team, they are not going to be drafting high anymore.

    What blows my mind is that people think that Wilson, a player that is literally responsible for over half our wins, is worth essentially Jamal Adams and a 1st round draft pick.

    But that aside, unless there was a way to be sure it was 3 top 15 picks, why bother?

    People used the Patriots example, but while that worked out for Brady...it didn't really work out well for the Pats. And remember Bill is 2x-3x a better coach than Carroll. Even he struggles without a good QB.

    It might work out for Wilson. It would suck for us.

    Obviously you are going to want to determine what the relative value of the picks are. It's also heavily dependent on which team you trade with. For example, Seattle gave up roughly 1300 points of draft capital to land Jamal Adams. The Dolphins 3rd overall pick is worth 2200 points. So three first round picks from the Dolphins would come out to roughly 3600 points, or close to 3 Jamal Adams caliber players. Keeping in mind, that's the price required for Seattle to listen.
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  • FresnoHawk68 wrote:I like Zach Wilson & Trevor Lawrence as possible draft targets in a RW trade. The other option is to trade Bobby Wagner then target a QB in round 2. Next year 2022 trade RW or wait till 2023!
    I like the round 2 QB’s a lot this year, the more I think about, it sure looks like this is the visible plausible plan being executed by Pete & John drafting Brooks last year.



    Wilson is not going to a team that is rebuilding, he is going where there is one or two missing pieces including him and the ownership is all in plus an OC he likes as well as a Offense with a line that can highlight his best kind of game.

    He is not going to the Jags, Texans, Bengals, Jets, Falcons and Dolphins are the next tier of failures that I doubt he signs with as well. You pretty much have blown any chance of a QB worth picking unless there is another under the radar guy.

    Add that this whole draft class is under scouted and played against competition of inferior quality due to Covid and to fill out a schedule.

    If anything, you look for guys that played good on inferior teams against that top talent.
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  • 3 first round picks wouldn't be enough for me. First of all unless your trading him this year who know what those pick are? Any team Russell is going too probably is drafting 20-32.

    Give me Tua, Austin Jackson, 3rd pick in the draft (Penei Sewell) and the 18th pick in the draft and we have a deal

    or

    Give me Becton, Quinnen Williams, 2nd pick(Zach Wilson) in the draft and 23rd pick in the draft and we have a deal

    or

    Straight up for DeShaun Watson

    those are the 3 deals that make sense to me this year or at least something like those.
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  • Trade PC for a late 7th rounder.
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  • getnasty wrote:3 first round picks wouldn't be enough for me. First of all unless your trading him this year who know what those pick are? Any team Russell is going too probably is drafting 20-32.

    Give me Tua, Austin Jackson, 3rd pick in the draft (Penei Sewell) and the 18th pick in the draft and we have a deal

    or

    Give me Becton, Quinnen Williams, 2nd pick(Zach Wilson) in the draft and 23rd pick in the draft and we have a deal

    or

    Straight up for DeShaun Watson

    those are the 3 deals that make sense to me this year or at least something like those.


    Yeah, those deals would get it done.

    Any deal would have to include a legitimate replacement at QB.

    As noted, this is all highly unlikely. Although it's worth noting that Wilson is genuinely extremely guarded in public interviews. When he lets things slip, I take those to be entirely intentional.

    Likewise, Schneider is equally evasive/guarded. He knows full well how to shut down a line of questioning and has proven that when he doesn't, there is merit to following up.

    I definitely think it's two parties firing halfhearted shots across each other bows. But given the history and what we know of each others' ability to navigate the press -- I would definitely say there is something simmering under the surface that is worth monitoring. It's highly unlikely a move gets made. But I think the biggest takeaway is that each party is flexing their influence in a passive-aggressive way. It doesn't mean there is dissatisfaction or anything.
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  • Rodgers was angry the entire year, somehow they made it thru and got over it. So Russ and Pete MIGHT not be getting along like in the past, big deal.
    This team will be good, and Russ will be under center.
    And then next year, a bunch of made up rumors by media will come back up. Until he isn't a Hawk, I don't believe trade hype at all. He may be eventually traded if he pushes for it. But until then, wasted energy worrying over something we have zero control over. And we have no way of knowing what truly is going on behind closed doors. People put WAY too much stock in what sports talk or writers are saying imo. Speculation and rumors are NOT facts.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Rodgers was angry the entire year, somehow they made it thru and got over it. So Russ and Pete MIGHT not be getting along like in the past, big deal.
    This team will be good, and Russ will be under center.
    And then next year, a bunch of made up rumors by media will come back up. Until he isn't a Hawk, I don't believe trade hype at all. He may be eventually traded if he pushes for it. But until then, wasted energy worrying over something we have zero control over. And we have no way of knowing what truly is going on behind closed doors. People put WAY too much stock in what sports talk or writers are saying imo. Speculation and rumors are NOT facts.



    This is about dissatisfaction and Russell's Mortality, there is smoke but not fire, behind the scenes I am sure they are both doing some posturing of sorts and working on things. It's how both sides have operated over the years, only when things hit a wall do you as a player use the Media leverage card to stir the pot. It was calculated I am sure and a statement not to alienate but to draw attention more then anything.

    It can go either direction depending on actions going forward by John and Pete, they usually don't hang on to players not bought in no matter who, they will bide time to get a deal they feel is worthwhile however if that's where it goes, won't be what we think is worthwhile I am sure.

    They also cannot come out in the media easily with anything much as it could drive the asking price down.

    Seahawks are gagged really by Wilson not the other way around.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Rodgers was angry the entire year, somehow they made it thru and got over it. So Russ and Pete MIGHT not be getting along like in the past, big deal.
    This team will be good, and Russ will be under center.
    And then next year, a bunch of made up rumors by media will come back up. Until he isn't a Hawk, I don't believe trade hype at all. He may be eventually traded if he pushes for it. But until then, wasted energy worrying over something we have zero control over. And we have no way of knowing what truly is going on behind closed doors. People put WAY too much stock in what sports talk or writers are saying imo. Speculation and rumors are NOT facts.


    Rodgers got MVP and RW has yet to come close to achieving the level of Rodgers, Breese, Manning, etc...
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  • FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Rodgers was angry the entire year, somehow they made it thru and got over it. So Russ and Pete MIGHT not be getting along like in the past, big deal.
    This team will be good, and Russ will be under center.
    And then next year, a bunch of made up rumors by media will come back up. Until he isn't a Hawk, I don't believe trade hype at all. He may be eventually traded if he pushes for it. But until then, wasted energy worrying over something we have zero control over. And we have no way of knowing what truly is going on behind closed doors. People put WAY too much stock in what sports talk or writers are saying imo. Speculation and rumors are NOT facts.


    Rodgers got MVP and RW has yet to come close to achieving the level of Rodgers, Breese, Manning, etc...


    Well part on Russ and Part on Pete for torpedoing the offense.

    Russell allowed to play, he is easily in that conversation.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Rodgers was angry the entire year, somehow they made it thru and got over it. So Russ and Pete MIGHT not be getting along like in the past, big deal.
    This team will be good, and Russ will be under center.
    And then next year, a bunch of made up rumors by media will come back up. Until he isn't a Hawk, I don't believe trade hype at all. He may be eventually traded if he pushes for it. But until then, wasted energy worrying over something we have zero control over. And we have no way of knowing what truly is going on behind closed doors. People put WAY too much stock in what sports talk or writers are saying imo. Speculation and rumors are NOT facts.



    This is about dissatisfaction and Russell's Mortality, there is smoke but not fire, behind the scenes I am sure they are both doing some posturing of sorts and working on things. It's how both sides have operated over the years, only when things hit a wall do you as a player use the Media leverage card to stir the pot. It was calculated I am sure and a statement not to alienate but to draw attention more then anything.

    It can go either direction depending on actions going forward by John and Pete, they usually don't hang on to players not bought in no matter who, they will bide time to get a deal they feel is worthwhile however if that's where it goes, won't be what we think is worthwhile I am sure.

    They also cannot come out in the media easily with anything much as it could drive the asking price down.

    Seahawks are gagged really by Wilson not the other way around.



    I agree but I wouldn’t be surprised if the true competition is between Watson & Wilson = which QB is worth more! I wouldn’t acquire Watson you don’t want the face of the franchise tossing the franchise under the bus, it doesn’t matter what Houston did, Houston paid Watson, Watson took the $$, Watson is destroying the Franchise!

    If Manning was our QB in 2019 & 2020 he would have beaten Green Bay & LA with the same team RW had. RW has brainwashed everyone into prematurely thinking RW is a HOF QB! Pete & John have to be wondering if RW’s declining play is going to bleed into 2021.
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  • getnasty wrote:3 first round picks wouldn't be enough for me. First of all unless your trading him this year who know what those pick are? Any team Russell is going too probably is drafting 20-32.

    Give me Tua, Austin Jackson, 3rd pick in the draft (Penei Sewell) and the 18th pick in the draft and we have a deal

    or

    Give me Becton, Quinnen Williams, 2nd pick(Zach Wilson) in the draft and 23rd pick in the draft and we have a deal

    or

    Straight up for DeShaun Watson

    those are the 3 deals that make sense to me this year or at least something like those.

    I like the creativity. I do have one question; what the heck is Seattle going to do with all of these tackles? For example, you have them taking two elite LT prospects in the Miami deal while LT is arguably our strongest position on offense. Do you foresee them trading Brown as well? Or do you see Sewell as a right tackle?

    Can anyone sell me on Tua as a prospect? I watched some videos of him, and he looked like a less athletic version of Russ without the arm strength. Seriously, to my untrained eye, his upside looks like a slightly more athletic version of 40-year-old Drew Brees.
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  • FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Rodgers was angry the entire year, somehow they made it thru and got over it. So Russ and Pete MIGHT not be getting along like in the past, big deal.
    This team will be good, and Russ will be under center.
    And then next year, a bunch of made up rumors by media will come back up. Until he isn't a Hawk, I don't believe trade hype at all. He may be eventually traded if he pushes for it. But until then, wasted energy worrying over something we have zero control over. And we have no way of knowing what truly is going on behind closed doors. People put WAY too much stock in what sports talk or writers are saying imo. Speculation and rumors are NOT facts.



    This is about dissatisfaction and Russell's Mortality, there is smoke but not fire, behind the scenes I am sure they are both doing some posturing of sorts and working on things. It's how both sides have operated over the years, only when things hit a wall do you as a player use the Media leverage card to stir the pot. It was calculated I am sure and a statement not to alienate but to draw attention more then anything.

    It can go either direction depending on actions going forward by John and Pete, they usually don't hang on to players not bought in no matter who, they will bide time to get a deal they feel is worthwhile however if that's where it goes, won't be what we think is worthwhile I am sure.

    They also cannot come out in the media easily with anything much as it could drive the asking price down.

    Seahawks are gagged really by Wilson not the other way around.



    I agree but I wouldn’t be surprised if the true competition is between Watson & Wilson = which QB is worth more! I wouldn’t acquire Watson you don’t want the face of the franchise tossing the franchise under the bus, it doesn’t matter what Houston did, Houston paid Watson, Watson took the $$, Watson is destroying the Franchise!

    If Manning was our QB in 2019 & 2020 he would have beaten Green Bay & LA with the same team RW had. RW has brainwashed everyone into prematurely thinking RW is a HOF QB! Pete & John have to be wondering if RW’s declining play is going to bleed into 2021.


    Manning didn't even take a flight here by personal Jet of Paul Allen, they went to Denver to try to get him to talk and he wouldn't even give them that time. Manning did not want to be in a controlled offense that was dictated to him, he wanted his offense from the Colts more or less.

    It would never have happened with Pete Ball.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Rodgers was angry the entire year, somehow they made it thru and got over it. So Russ and Pete MIGHT not be getting along like in the past, big deal.
    This team will be good, and Russ will be under center.
    And then next year, a bunch of made up rumors by media will come back up. Until he isn't a Hawk, I don't believe trade hype at all. He may be eventually traded if he pushes for it. But until then, wasted energy worrying over something we have zero control over. And we have no way of knowing what truly is going on behind closed doors. People put WAY too much stock in what sports talk or writers are saying imo. Speculation and rumors are NOT facts.



    This is about dissatisfaction and Russell's Mortality, there is smoke but not fire, behind the scenes I am sure they are both doing some posturing of sorts and working on things. It's how both sides have operated over the years, only when things hit a wall do you as a player use the Media leverage card to stir the pot. It was calculated I am sure and a statement not to alienate but to draw attention more then anything.

    It can go either direction depending on actions going forward by John and Pete, they usually don't hang on to players not bought in no matter who, they will bide time to get a deal they feel is worthwhile however if that's where it goes, won't be what we think is worthwhile I am sure.

    They also cannot come out in the media easily with anything much as it could drive the asking price down.

    Seahawks are gagged really by Wilson not the other way around.



    I agree but I wouldn’t be surprised if the true competition is between Watson & Wilson = which QB is worth more! I wouldn’t acquire Watson you don’t want the face of the franchise tossing the franchise under the bus, it doesn’t matter what Houston did, Houston paid Watson, Watson took the $$, Watson is destroying the Franchise!

    If Manning was our QB in 2019 & 2020 he would have beaten Green Bay & LA with the same team RW had. RW has brainwashed everyone into prematurely thinking RW is a HOF QB! Pete & John have to be wondering if RW’s declining play is going to bleed into 2021.


    Manning didn't even take a flight here by personal Jet of Paul Allen, they went to Denver to try to get him to talk and he wouldn't even give them that time. Manning did not want to be in a controlled offense that was dictated to him, he wanted his offense from the Colts more or less.

    It would never have happened with Pete Ball.



    Manning was capable of making the right calls RW has yet to prove it! RW threw 2 interceptions in a single game & also threw 3 interceptions in a single game last year.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Rodgers was angry the entire year, somehow they made it thru and got over it. So Russ and Pete MIGHT not be getting along like in the past, big deal.
    This team will be good, and Russ will be under center.
    And then next year, a bunch of made up rumors by media will come back up. Until he isn't a Hawk, I don't believe trade hype at all. He may be eventually traded if he pushes for it. But until then, wasted energy worrying over something we have zero control over. And we have no way of knowing what truly is going on behind closed doors. People put WAY too much stock in what sports talk or writers are saying imo. Speculation and rumors are NOT facts.



    This is about dissatisfaction and Russell's Mortality, there is smoke but not fire, behind the scenes I am sure they are both doing some posturing of sorts and working on things. It's how both sides have operated over the years, only when things hit a wall do you as a player use the Media leverage card to stir the pot. It was calculated I am sure and a statement not to alienate but to draw attention more then anything.

    It can go either direction depending on actions going forward by John and Pete, they usually don't hang on to players not bought in no matter who, they will bide time to get a deal they feel is worthwhile however if that's where it goes, won't be what we think is worthwhile I am sure.

    They also cannot come out in the media easily with anything much as it could drive the asking price down.

    Seahawks are gagged really by Wilson not the other way around.



    I agree but I wouldn’t be surprised if the true competition is between Watson & Wilson = which QB is worth more! I wouldn’t acquire Watson you don’t want the face of the franchise tossing the franchise under the bus, it doesn’t matter what Houston did, Houston paid Watson, Watson took the $$, Watson is destroying the Franchise!

    If Manning was our QB in 2019 & 2020 he would have beaten Green Bay & LA with the same team RW had. RW has brainwashed everyone into prematurely thinking RW is a HOF QB! Pete & John have to be wondering if RW’s declining play is going to bleed into 2021.


    Manning didn't even take a flight here by personal Jet of Paul Allen, they went to Denver to try to get him to talk and he wouldn't even give them that time. Manning did not want to be in a controlled offense that was dictated to him, he wanted his offense from the Colts more or less.

    It would never have happened with Pete Ball.


    Pete beat Payton Manning in the Super Bowl, easily!
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  • FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:

    This is about dissatisfaction and Russell's Mortality, there is smoke but not fire, behind the scenes I am sure they are both doing some posturing of sorts and working on things. It's how both sides have operated over the years, only when things hit a wall do you as a player use the Media leverage card to stir the pot. It was calculated I am sure and a statement not to alienate but to draw attention more then anything.

    It can go either direction depending on actions going forward by John and Pete, they usually don't hang on to players not bought in no matter who, they will bide time to get a deal they feel is worthwhile however if that's where it goes, won't be what we think is worthwhile I am sure.

    They also cannot come out in the media easily with anything much as it could drive the asking price down.

    Seahawks are gagged really by Wilson not the other way around.



    I agree but I wouldn’t be surprised if the true competition is between Watson & Wilson = which QB is worth more! I wouldn’t acquire Watson you don’t want the face of the franchise tossing the franchise under the bus, it doesn’t matter what Houston did, Houston paid Watson, Watson took the $$, Watson is destroying the Franchise!

    If Manning was our QB in 2019 & 2020 he would have beaten Green Bay & LA with the same team RW had. RW has brainwashed everyone into prematurely thinking RW is a HOF QB! Pete & John have to be wondering if RW’s declining play is going to bleed into 2021.


    Manning didn't even take a flight here by personal Jet of Paul Allen, they went to Denver to try to get him to talk and he wouldn't even give them that time. Manning did not want to be in a controlled offense that was dictated to him, he wanted his offense from the Colts more or less.

    It would never have happened with Pete Ball.


    Pete beat Payton Manning in the Super Bowl, easily!


    Which is it, your playing both sides of the coin.

    Oh and the Defense beat Manning in the Super Bowl, like in the first quarter starting with the first play.

    The offense just didn't have to lose it really.
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  • knownone wrote:
    getnasty wrote:3 first round picks wouldn't be enough for me. First of all unless your trading him this year who know what those pick are? Any team Russell is going too probably is drafting 20-32.

    Give me Tua, Austin Jackson, 3rd pick in the draft (Penei Sewell) and the 18th pick in the draft and we have a deal

    or

    Give me Becton, Quinnen Williams, 2nd pick(Zach Wilson) in the draft and 23rd pick in the draft and we have a deal

    or

    Straight up for DeShaun Watson

    those are the 3 deals that make sense to me this year or at least something like those.

    I like the creativity. I do have one question; what the heck is Seattle going to do with all of these tackles? For example, you have them taking two elite LT prospects in the Miami deal while LT is arguably our strongest position on offense. Do you foresee them trading Brown as well? Or do you see Sewell as a right tackle?

    Can anyone sell me on Tua as a prospect? I watched some videos of him, and he looked like a less athletic version of Russ without the arm strength. Seriously, to my untrained eye, his upside looks like a slightly more athletic version of 40-year-old Drew Brees.


    Not sold on Tua either but what quarterback are you sold on until they prove it. Which is why your getting a haul for Russ.

    I would trade Brown and shed that cap hit to sign another gaurd or center. Having two elite tackle on either side of your young quarterback with cap space to build the defense would be the only thing that makes sense to me. You could also swap Jackson for Geiski in that deal, since they seem to be coveting TE's now.
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  • FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:

    This is about dissatisfaction and Russell's Mortality, there is smoke but not fire, behind the scenes I am sure they are both doing some posturing of sorts and working on things. It's how both sides have operated over the years, only when things hit a wall do you as a player use the Media leverage card to stir the pot. It was calculated I am sure and a statement not to alienate but to draw attention more then anything.

    It can go either direction depending on actions going forward by John and Pete, they usually don't hang on to players not bought in no matter who, they will bide time to get a deal they feel is worthwhile however if that's where it goes, won't be what we think is worthwhile I am sure.

    They also cannot come out in the media easily with anything much as it could drive the asking price down.

    Seahawks are gagged really by Wilson not the other way around.



    I agree but I wouldn’t be surprised if the true competition is between Watson & Wilson = which QB is worth more! I wouldn’t acquire Watson you don’t want the face of the franchise tossing the franchise under the bus, it doesn’t matter what Houston did, Houston paid Watson, Watson took the $$, Watson is destroying the Franchise!

    If Manning was our QB in 2019 & 2020 he would have beaten Green Bay & LA with the same team RW had. RW has brainwashed everyone into prematurely thinking RW is a HOF QB! Pete & John have to be wondering if RW’s declining play is going to bleed into 2021.


    Manning didn't even take a flight here by personal Jet of Paul Allen, they went to Denver to try to get him to talk and he wouldn't even give them that time. Manning did not want to be in a controlled offense that was dictated to him, he wanted his offense from the Colts more or less.

    It would never have happened with Pete Ball.


    Pete beat Payton Manning in the Super Bowl, easily!


    PC did not beat anyone last I checked he is a coach, the player beat Manning in all facets. And again remind me how much suiccess has PC had without Wilson...NONE
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:

    I agree but I wouldn’t be surprised if the true competition is between Watson & Wilson = which QB is worth more! I wouldn’t acquire Watson you don’t want the face of the franchise tossing the franchise under the bus, it doesn’t matter what Houston did, Houston paid Watson, Watson took the $$, Watson is destroying the Franchise!

    If Manning was our QB in 2019 & 2020 he would have beaten Green Bay & LA with the same team RW had. RW has brainwashed everyone into prematurely thinking RW is a HOF QB! Pete & John have to be wondering if RW’s declining play is going to bleed into 2021.


    Manning didn't even take a flight here by personal Jet of Paul Allen, they went to Denver to try to get him to talk and he wouldn't even give them that time. Manning did not want to be in a controlled offense that was dictated to him, he wanted his offense from the Colts more or less.

    It would never have happened with Pete Ball.


    Pete beat Payton Manning in the Super Bowl, easily!


    Which is it, your playing both sides of the coin.

    Oh and the Defense beat Manning in the Super Bowl, like in the first quarter starting with the first play.

    The offense just didn't have to lose it really.



    The offense beat Manning without the defenses points all the defense had to do was play okay since you want to down play the contributions of the other parts of the team
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  • John63 wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:

    I agree but I wouldn’t be surprised if the true competition is between Watson & Wilson = which QB is worth more! I wouldn’t acquire Watson you don’t want the face of the franchise tossing the franchise under the bus, it doesn’t matter what Houston did, Houston paid Watson, Watson took the $$, Watson is destroying the Franchise!

    If Manning was our QB in 2019 & 2020 he would have beaten Green Bay & LA with the same team RW had. RW has brainwashed everyone into prematurely thinking RW is a HOF QB! Pete & John have to be wondering if RW’s declining play is going to bleed into 2021.


    Manning didn't even take a flight here by personal Jet of Paul Allen, they went to Denver to try to get him to talk and he wouldn't even give them that time. Manning did not want to be in a controlled offense that was dictated to him, he wanted his offense from the Colts more or less.

    It would never have happened with Pete Ball.


    Pete beat Payton Manning in the Super Bowl, easily!


    PC did not beat anyone last I checked he is a coach, the player beat Manning in all facets. And again remind me how much suiccess has PC had without Wilson...NONE


    Yeah Pete's only responsible for losses.
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  • getnasty wrote:
    John63 wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    Manning didn't even take a flight here by personal Jet of Paul Allen, they went to Denver to try to get him to talk and he wouldn't even give them that time. Manning did not want to be in a controlled offense that was dictated to him, he wanted his offense from the Colts more or less.

    It would never have happened with Pete Ball.


    Pete beat Payton Manning in the Super Bowl, easily!


    PC did not beat anyone last I checked he is a coach, the player beat Manning in all facets. And again remind me how much suiccess has PC had without Wilson...NONE


    Yeah Pete's only responsible for losses.



    Not the point, I give PC full credit for putting together the team that won the SB. I also give him full credit for what he is doing to the team now or actually has not done. But to say Pete beat Manning would be wrong. He put the team together that beat Manning, and he deserves credit for that.
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  • Seriously......what are the Hawks going to do with three 1st Round picks? Based on our past 1st Rounders, we'd be lucky to find one starter!! :stirthepot:
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  • John63 wrote:
    getnasty wrote:
    John63 wrote:
    FresnoHawk68 wrote:
    Pete beat Payton Manning in the Super Bowl, easily!


    PC did not beat anyone last I checked he is a coach, the player beat Manning in all facets. And again remind me how much suiccess has PC had without Wilson...NONE


    Yeah Pete's only responsible for losses.



    Not the point, I give PC full credit for putting together the team that won the SB. I also give him full credit for what he is doing to the team now or actually has not done. But to say Pete beat Manning would be wrong. He put the team together that beat Manning, and he deserves credit for that.


    Manning was scared the Denver Offense was scared!
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  • The funniest part is the OP is wrong JS has not said anything, it's all click bait media guessing.
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  • Hoping John is right on this one.

    Because, if what was alluded to by the other poster is true...the both sides are taking passive-aggressive shots at each other through the media? Then JS is terminally stupid.

    He gets credit for finding Russ. And most of his success is due to wins delivered through that find.

    So running off your golden goose would be moronic.

    Make your QB happy. Period.

    Will that keep him here forever? No. But it keeps the music playing and it keeps the party going. When those end, it is going to be unpleasant.

    Wilson is more important than Carroll, and arguably as important as JS right now. He needs to be given the keys because there is no alternative that results in any kind of success in the playoffs otherwise.
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  • I'm wondering if Russ is coachable. If his head has gotten too big for this team. If he only wants to throw deep balls to his "best friend" DK to pad his stats and be like Drew Brees (who also only won one SB).

    In the last half of the season we saw him refuse to use his outlets and take sacks/throw pics waiting on something down field that the defense was focused on taking away. That's dumb/arrogant. It also got his OC whom he liked fired. Then he called out his OL -- even though he is in the top 5-10 QBs for holding the ball every year -- like they are the problem.

    I'm good with 3 first round picks and pumping 30M+ back into the roster. We can win another superbowl with an Alex Smith type QB that takes what he's given. I don't think we can win with a prima donna QB that wants to force things and blame others in order to boost the legacy of his stats. I want a legacy of W's.
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  • With today's news I see that as a blow to the "nothing to see here" camp.
    I think there's something going on. That doesn't mean that Wilson will leave. There are huge challenges to trading him, even if you wanted to. But there's only so many puffs of smoke that you can ignore.
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  • It isn't likely that Russ is not coachable.

    More likely he just isn't going to listen to terrible coaching. Big difference.

    Remember, he started his career at Wisconsin because some moron thought he shouldn't be starting vs some other guy that turned into a stiff in the NFL.

    He has learned that coaches are not immutable sages. And in fact, they can be full of terrible outdated ideas that hold a team back (which is likely happening now).

    He is pushing back against a bad coach. A coach he has been propping up for years that never seems to learn, adjust, or in any way adapt to the realities of this new NFL.

    Completely justified.

    He seems tired of being this barrier between success and failure that is the main thing keeping Carroll in the win column.

    Trading him away just leaves you with a coach that has never proven he can even win without Wilson, at least in the NFL.
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  • Own The West wrote:I'm wondering if Russ is coachable. If his head has gotten too big for this team. If he only wants to throw deep balls to his "best friend" DK to pad his stats and be like Drew Brees (who also only won one SB).

    In the last half of the season we saw him refuse to use his outlets and take sacks/throw pics waiting on something down field that the defense was focused on taking away. That's dumb/arrogant. It also got his OC whom he liked fired. Then he called out his OL -- even though he is in the top 5-10 QBs for holding the ball every year -- like they are the problem.

    I'm good with 3 first round picks and pumping 30M+ back into the roster. We can win another superbowl with an Alex Smith type QB that takes what he's given. I don't think we can win with a prima donna QB that wants to force things and blame others in order to boost the legacy of his stats. I want a legacy of W's.


    It won’t be 30 million, Seattle doesn’t need 30 Million, 10 million will do.
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